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Gates, Clinton Advising President to Not Release OBL Photograph; Obama Increasingly Concerned...
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Posted on 05/04/2011 8:16:54 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Gates, Clinton Advising President to Not Release OBL Photograph; Obama Increasingly Concerned No Good Would Come from It

May 04, 2011 7:07 AM

President Obama is increasingly doubtful that there's a compelling reason to release a photograph of Osama bin Laden's corpse, ABC News has learned.

There don't seem to be many skeptics of bin Laden's death in the Muslim world, with bin Laden's wife having survived the attack to identify bin Laden's death both to the Navy SEALs and Pakistani authorities.

Meanwhile, sources say, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are advising the president about concerns at the Pentagon and State Department that releasing a photograph could prompt a backlash against the US for killing bin Laden where one does not seem to currently exist.

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1 posted on 05/04/2011 8:17:00 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
The ditherers continue to dither.
2 posted on 05/04/2011 8:19:27 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Sub-Driver
It's not like we're all going to have Photoshop fun with it.


3 posted on 05/04/2011 8:20:41 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: hflynn

If Obama can NOT decide on releasing a photo....who here believes he actually made the decision to go in after Osama?


4 posted on 05/04/2011 8:20:54 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: Sub-Driver
Turn on your TV any day or night and you will see the following: 'Bones'; a burned strangulated corpse recovered from a fetid swamp. 'NCIS'; a sailor who was found with his entire body de-skinned,...in a fetid swamp. Any 'Law and Order'; a victim pulled from the East river now in their morgue with just enough ghoulishness to make you puke.

And Barry is worried about this???????????????? Holy Crap, to paraphrase Frank Barone!

5 posted on 05/04/2011 8:22:26 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: hflynn

They have already lost the chance to craft one terse narrative and then stick to it. There must be all sorts of video and photographic evidence. Why release any of it? Debriefing will provide all sorts of details. Some will be in conflict. Again, why release any of it?


6 posted on 05/04/2011 8:22:57 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Sub-Driver
There don't seem to be many skeptics of bin Laden's death in the Muslim world,

That doesn't seem to be true. There are all types of denials to OBL death in the Arab world. Even Al Qaeda is posting on their websites that this is an American hoax. I think that the WH is ginning up excitement over the release of the pic by playing this game. They will end up doing this.

7 posted on 05/04/2011 8:23:05 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Sub-Driver
But if they don't release it, some extremist Islamist group will use that as an excuse to kill innocents.
8 posted on 05/04/2011 8:24:41 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Blue Turtle

I call BS.

The liberals in the ACLU went to court to force release of additional Abu Grahib (sp?) photos, when that issue was a hot issue. The liberal view was that secrecy was not important, and that the full extent of what happened at Abu Grahib should be documented for the world.

In this case, why would liberals NOT want to release photos of the dead Bin Laden? Especially since the MSM has been tripping over themselves in awe and admiration of Obama as a strong leader and all that in taking out Bin Laden???


9 posted on 05/04/2011 8:26:34 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: swain_forkbeard
I'm just looking for a decision, Yes or No.

Looks like the polling is not complete.

10 posted on 05/04/2011 8:26:37 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Blue Turtle
"If Obama can NOT decide on releasing a photo....who here believes he actually made the decision to go in after Osama?"

Unrelated issues. Someone has to be concerned about the effect on our troops preparation for possible events.

11 posted on 05/04/2011 8:26:41 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Sub-Driver

As usual, we’re being played like a violin and beat like a drum—apparently we like it that way—else where’s the outrage.

keep on worshipping the prince of fools; each in his own style, of course...

The clock is ticking away...

Semper ScrewUps...


12 posted on 05/04/2011 8:26:54 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Sub-Driver

Lets just debate it to death


13 posted on 05/04/2011 8:28:12 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Sub-Driver

I done killed da mother.

14 posted on 05/04/2011 8:29:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: hflynn

So since O and Co. took over the WH they claim Bin Laden was the number one priority foreign policy-wise (a weak position that asserts Bin Laden was the be-all, end-all) and yet somehow the question of providing visual proof was not an issue discussed multiple times over the years? But the photos from Abu Graib (sic) were truthful journalism?

This administration can’t claim they will release the pics and vid of burial and then claim that on second thought this “might” inflame the Muslim world. This was a question long ago answered (yes) and has now become, apparently, a big no.


15 posted on 05/04/2011 8:29:33 AM PDT by torchthemummy (The Audacity Of Truth Trumps All)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

Photo???

I’m still waiting for the leftist outrage about Obama’s Illegal Ocean Dumping, and pollution of the seas.

If YOU or I do it, you’ll need an Environmental Impact Statement, and an EPA General Permit for Burial of Human Remains at Sea, in accordance with Code of Federal Regulations 40 CFR 229.1.

You must notify EPA in writing within 30 days of dumping, and, of course, include the Burial at Sea Permit Fee of $11.00, by check only.

Burial at sea of human remains which are not cremated shall take place no closer than 3 nautical miles from land and in water no less than one hundred fathoms (six hundred feet) deep.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE....


16 posted on 05/04/2011 8:32:53 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can only lead a lib to the Truth, you can't make it think...)
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To: Sub-Driver
de·ci·sive
adj.
1. Having the power to decide; conclusive.
2. Characterized by decision and firmness; resolute.
3. Beyond doubt; unmistakable: a decisive defeat.

Antonym: Obama

17 posted on 05/04/2011 8:33:30 AM PDT by McGruff (When it comes to Obama's birth certificate. Trust, but verify.)
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To: Sub-Driver

a backlash against the US for killing bin Laden where one does not seem to currently exist.

Can our government be this stupid?
It’s worse than we thought.


18 posted on 05/04/2011 8:35:45 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: hflynn

They need to get their heads out of their asses and just stfu already. The DNA evidence was released. HE IS DEAD MOVE ON.
Stop appeasing the taliban and terrorists.


19 posted on 05/04/2011 8:36:24 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I don’t care if they release it or not. I’m just enjoying the obvious discomfort it causes them.


20 posted on 05/04/2011 8:38:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: torchthemummy

I can understand no releasing any video of the raid so as not to show any tactical information. But to not release photos of his corpse is a slap in the face to freedom. They are not our parents. We can handle the “truth”. It is up to US whether or not to look at the “gruesome” pictures. When something is done around the world in our names we have the right to as much information as is possibly available. We the people should demand this. As for inciting the Muslim world. Are they not already irrationally incited? Besides, they seem to only kill each other in the streets when they get angry. So, what’s the problem?


21 posted on 05/04/2011 8:38:37 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Blue Turtle

22 posted on 05/04/2011 8:40:28 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Speaks volumes about the amateruishness of this whole bunch.

Suppose you killed the #1 wanted man in the world, rushed out instantly to dump the body at sea, then announced to world of you great deed. Now we were told the ‘death photos’ are too grusome. Contrast that to the process of previous HVTs our military got under Bush.

This WH does not understand their credibility on most things are suspicious, and we all should just take teh WON’s words for it.


23 posted on 05/04/2011 8:41:57 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sub-Driver

The same leftists who are outraged that we poured water up the noses of terrorists are now OK if we shoot them in the head - if it is done by the order of a Democrat President.


24 posted on 05/04/2011 8:45:08 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Blue Turtle

Well, I’m starting to have doubts.

Something stinks, and when something stinks nowadays, it’s usuallly Obama, or his wife.

So, yeah, is he dead? Who knows? I know I don’t know.

I know what the media said, but the media also said glowbull warming is real, and they said Obama is smart, and they also said Michelle is beautiful.

So....yeah.


25 posted on 05/04/2011 8:45:31 AM PDT by chris37 (awesome!)
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Perhaps he just needs to sleep on it.


26 posted on 05/04/2011 8:45:31 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: Blue Turtle
If Obama can NOT decide on releasing a photo....who here believes he actually made the decision to go in after Osama?

The man that has made a political career out of voting "PRESENT"? Not me. Panetta probably made the call and Obama decided to get Panetta out of the CIA Chief role ASAP for some legal reason.
27 posted on 05/04/2011 8:45:40 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: Sub-Driver

If those photos are not classified secret they should be released.They are the property of the American People.The assault that took out Bin Ladin was done on our behalf so release the damn photos.


28 posted on 05/04/2011 8:51:52 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: dead

29 posted on 05/04/2011 8:54:51 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Don’t tell me Obama is so budget conscience that we can’t afford military morticians.


30 posted on 05/04/2011 8:55:16 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

If he made it to the bottom the hagfish got him.

Nasty critters.


31 posted on 05/04/2011 8:58:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: tet68
a backlash against the US for killing bin Laden where one does not seem to currently exist.

I agree. Not only that stupid but using that as an excuse makes us look weak and submissive to them. Fear equals lack of action. Thank God we had Bush during 9/11!!
32 posted on 05/04/2011 9:01:37 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Dilbert San Diego
In this case, why would liberals NOT want to release photos of the dead Bin Laden?

Call for Mr Trump. Please pick up the white phone.

We want photos before October 2012.

33 posted on 05/04/2011 9:02:54 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: puppypusher

34 posted on 05/04/2011 9:10:11 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Sub-Driver

what are the odds the intel community leaks it anyway and puts Barry right back in the corner?


35 posted on 05/04/2011 9:28:26 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sub-Driver

He wants to do the right “MUSLIM THING”. Probably searching the Koran which is always by his bedside.


36 posted on 05/04/2011 9:28:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Last Dakotan
"- if it is done by the order of a Democrat President."

Makes all the difference on everything, doesn't it?

Big Brother government is no problem...as long as it's their Big Brother.

37 posted on 05/04/2011 9:35:50 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Sub-Driver
The Obama administration wants to create maximum chaos. Since this was a well planned mission, in the making for several months, surely these ‘details’ were already planned out.

It's unimaginable that Obama did not have a plan on what information to release, what photos/videos to release, and what proof to present to the American people.

38 posted on 05/04/2011 9:45:11 AM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: Sub-Driver

Muslim sensitivities trump transparency.


39 posted on 05/04/2011 9:47:37 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Last Dakotan
OK if we shoot them in the head

There is no doubt that Navy SEALs are expert marksmen. But, almost all self defense instructors teach to first aim for center mass, the chest.

Double tap means 2 shots to the chest. Since many attackers are high on drugs and/or armed a double tap is followed by a shot to the head. Instructors teach to go for the larger target then the smaller target (the head).

Even with the best night vision equipment in a fast changing situation why would SEALs go for the low percentage head shots first?

The only wounds reported are double taps to the head. That has sounded strange to me since the first reports came in.

40 posted on 05/04/2011 9:47:37 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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What's the matter barry... can't you even make a decision... you pos asshole kenyan fagot?

LLS

41 posted on 05/04/2011 9:51:31 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: Sub-Driver
One wonders whether the "new" sensitivities really appease that malignant haters of our western society. For some it is not a matter to ponder, myself they will hate us in any case.

Might be off topic but a mention of history here. Muhammad Ahmad,(1844-1885), called the Al-Mahdi wiped out an Egyptian force of ten thousand men and took Khartoum with the death of General Gordon. The Sudan was to deteriorate under Islamic rule for 13 years. However six months after his triumph, he died of typhus, a magnificent tomb and edifice was built at Omdurman.

Lord Kitchener conquered the Dervish in 1898 at Omdurman. He ordered the splendid tomb absolutely destroyed. He had the body of the Al Mahdi thrown into the River Nile. The head of this man was taken and some correctness may have kicked in. Kitchener was persuaded not to use the skull as an ashtray.

Nothing happened to Kitchener or his forces afterward. He met his death by the German submarine attack in 1917. I understand a magnificent tomb replaced the one Kitchener destroyed and is a tourist attraction.

Anyway. Well done America!

42 posted on 05/04/2011 9:54:38 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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“There don’t seem to be many skeptics of bin Laden’s death in the Muslim world”

Morons.

http://www.laotze.blogspot.com/

“Throughout Southeast Asia, the alleged killing of Osama Bin Laden coupled with the delay by the United States government in releasing any photographic evidence to the fact is giving birth to a flood of conspiracy theories, with many refusing to believe that Al Qaeda’s leader is actually dead.”


43 posted on 05/04/2011 10:15:37 AM PDT by WOSG (doubting OBL's death is not 'healthy skepticism' it's nutty.)
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To: TYVets
...why would SEALs go for the low percentage head shots first?

Body armor?

44 posted on 05/04/2011 10:18:02 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: dead
It's not like we're all going to have Photoshop fun with it.

I'd like to see someone put a dunce hat on zero and a lit cigarette in between Hillary's fingers.

45 posted on 05/04/2011 10:23:33 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The American taxpayer cannot support the tax and spend habits of DC.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Gates and Clinton know the forgeries will be dissected immediately. Obama is naive, and has to try to force his childish opinions on the rest of the cabinet.

We need a real adult in the WH.


46 posted on 05/04/2011 10:24:07 AM PDT by chainsaw ("The government cannot give to anyone anything that it does not first take from someone else.")
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To: Sub-Driver

Indecisive ditherer. It’s hard to make a decision when you have no core values and no moral compass.


47 posted on 05/04/2011 10:26:58 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: dead

Hillary: How are we going to spin this one for the kid president.

48 posted on 05/04/2011 10:28:18 AM PDT by chainsaw ("The government cannot give to anyone anything that it does not first take from someone else.")
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To: Blue Turtle
If Obama can NOT decide on releasing a photo....who here believes he actually made the decision to go in after Osama?

Well, I believe that the Ditherer-in-Chief did decide.

But it took him SIXTEEN HOURS to do it:

(The above caps are mine. The caps below are actually in the headline of this British newspaper.)

Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission .... Barack Obama kept military commanders hanging by declaring he would 'sleep on it' before taking 16 hours to give the go-ahead to raid Bin Laden's compound. .... The mission looked set to be given the all clear last Thursday when analysts confirmed beyond doubt that Bin Laden was in busy town of Abbottabad in northern Pakistan. ..... But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think - and disappeared out of the room. 'I'm not going to tell you what my decision is now - I'm going to go back and think about it some more,' said Obama, according to the New York Times.

49 posted on 05/04/2011 10:35:22 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: hflynn
Gates, Clinton Advising President to Not Release OBL Photograph; Obama Increasingly Concerned

What they're concerned about is that the photograph is eight years old...

50 posted on 05/04/2011 11:15:34 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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