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'Factor' Debate Over Coerced Interrogation (Rumsfeld Later Denies Lies of Colmes)
Fox News ^ | 05/03/2011 | Bill O'Reilly

Posted on 05/04/2011 8:42:42 AM PDT by Sneakyuser

During this heated discussion Alan Colmes says, and has been saying for years, that Enhanced Interregation Techniques (EIT) yield nothing. He also states that Donald Rumsfeld confirms this. An hour later on Hannity, Rumsfeld says that just is not true.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alancolmes; donaldrumsfeld; mediabias; partisanmediashills; waronterror
I'm sure O'Reilly will come back to this again on tonight's episode.
1 posted on 05/04/2011 8:42:46 AM PDT by Sneakyuser
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To: Sneakyuser

Colmes is the most reliably knee-jerk of all the liberal commentators. He musts have a wire from his knee that opens and closes his mouth.


2 posted on 05/04/2011 8:48:59 AM PDT by newheart (The trouble ain't too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right. -Mark Twain)
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To: Sneakyuser

Then again, who really cares what Colmes or Ted Baxter really thinks about anything.


3 posted on 05/04/2011 8:49:25 AM PDT by acapesket
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To: newheart

My favorite part of the clip is when Colmes says “Not this is not ideology, I’m not being ideoligical!”


4 posted on 05/04/2011 8:50:50 AM PDT by Sneakyuser (Sneakyuses.com)
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To: Sneakyuser

WTH cares what Alan Colmes thinks?

And why does BOR pay this clown for political “commentary”? He is a hack and offers no insight whatsoever.

BOR is a pinhead for using hacks as political commentators.


5 posted on 05/04/2011 8:51:33 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Sneakyuser

I thought that was pretty interesting and glad Bill stuck to his guns. I wouldn’t say Alan was lying, I don’t think he’s a liar, I think he’s like so many other liberals, in complete denial. Oh wait, denial is lying..ha, what’ya know.


6 posted on 05/04/2011 8:52:52 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Sneakyuser

Why FOX retains Colmes is hard to understand. He is one vile person constantly lying and using the typical liberal tactic of speaking at 600 words per minute so you cannot get a word in edgewise.

A left leaning opinion is one thing but to constantly spout lies so as to defend your position is so Saul Alinski (EDBUH eternal damnation be upon him)


7 posted on 05/04/2011 8:53:02 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: Sneakyuser

it was quite an exchange

Cro’s sister in law looked pretty nervous...

O’Butthead’s eyes just kept a narrowing

one of his “tells” he’s really getting pissed


8 posted on 05/04/2011 8:55:50 AM PDT by wardaddy (ok...Trump beating on Obama---Sarah----Michelle.....any of them are ok for now---tain't picky)
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To: Sneakyuser
How to Interrogate Terrorists, by Heather McDonald (City Journal Winter 2005)
9 posted on 05/04/2011 8:57:17 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: Sneakyuser
Alan Colmes says, and has been saying for years, that Enhanced Interregation Techniques (EIT) yield nothing.

So because some hack Commie Pinko keeps saying the same lie, it must be true? BS. After Pete King exposed this, the lefts argument is now destroyed. Now Colmes is reduced to lying about Rummy's comments. That should really bolster his argument. I love that after Ted Baxter asked Rummy to come on his show to refute the claims, he goes on Hannity to do it. Screw you BOR you Obummer apologist.

10 posted on 05/04/2011 8:58:46 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: newheart

Does he tingle in his leg whenever “The Divine One” speaks?


11 posted on 05/04/2011 8:59:19 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Sneakyuser

What Rumsfeld had said was waterboarding didn’t happen at Gitmo.

And it didn’t.

It happened in foreign prisons.

I say waterboard em all.


12 posted on 05/04/2011 8:59:29 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Sneakyuser

Alan Colmes is a pretty good barometer of everything that is wrong with America. I don’t think I’ve ever heard the man say anything remotely correct.


13 posted on 05/04/2011 9:04:19 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Sneakyuser

Alan Colmes looks like Gollum.


14 posted on 05/04/2011 9:04:50 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Red in Blue PA

Alan Colmes is always on with his sister in law Monica Crowley (Wife’s sister).

His wife is a real ditz who laughs at the end of every sentence. They make a great couple.

I’d love to have dinner with the bunch. I’d laugh my ass off.


15 posted on 05/04/2011 9:07:54 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Wurlitzer
Why FOX retains Colmes is hard to understand.

Why FOX retains O’Blowhard is hard to understand.

16 posted on 05/04/2011 9:08:34 AM PDT by McGruff (When it comes to Obama's birth certificate. Trust, but verify.)
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To: Sneakyuser

This has both video clips of first Colmes lying on O’Reilly and then Rumsfeld on Hannity refuting Colmes.

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2011/05/03/alan-colmes-lies-about-donald-rumsfeld-claiming-that-waterboarding-didnt-help-get-osama-usama-bin-laden/


17 posted on 05/04/2011 9:10:53 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: Red in Blue PA; Wurlitzer

Colmes is to O’Reilly what Michael Knisley was to Pat Buchanan on the old Crossfire show—a non-threatening liberal who serves as a punching bag.


18 posted on 05/04/2011 9:10:58 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Red in Blue PA

The same reason BOR, Hannity and Beck put the clown Sharpton on. I turn each and every one of them off when they give the likes of Sharpton valuable airtime.


19 posted on 05/04/2011 9:11:04 AM PDT by cld51860 (Lies, lies, all lies!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

One thing that I have never understood about that argument is that, if you have someone in custody, interrogate them, and they give you false information.... Isn’t the knowledge that you will come back and continue to torture them when their lies are found out enough to ensure you will get good intel? Might not work with everyone, but I would think the fear of being tirtured again would be enough.


20 posted on 05/04/2011 9:14:38 AM PDT by cld51860 (Lies, lies, all lies!)
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To: cld51860

I agree %100. The other factor never brought up is that there is not just one guy we are interrogating. We had a bunch of these guys who we would extract info from and compare it to the other info we already had to see if it truthful. There are solid ways to check to see if the info is solid or not. I think that is why the left has never won on this issue with the public. Now the left will have to come up with more lies to keep this up.


21 posted on 05/04/2011 9:20:24 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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22 posted on 05/04/2011 9:25:50 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Almost as evil as the Freeper Criminal Mastermind)
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To: Sneakyuser

DOn’t care a whit what Colmes or O’Reilly think about anything. As far as I’m concerned O’Reilly is a typical media closed liberal who masquerades as a conservative for the income it provides. He’s as phony as Dennis Miller, both of whom should never be trusted. They’ve both found a trough from which to make money; otherwise, we’d never be hearing from them.


23 posted on 05/04/2011 9:26:04 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Sneakyuser

I understand OBL was accidentally shot while the SEALs were trying to put a pair of underwear on his head.


24 posted on 05/04/2011 9:33:57 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: McGruff
Why FOX retains Colmes is hard to understand.

Why FOX retains O’Blowhard is hard to understand.

BOR has ratings that are #1 while colmes can't draw flies.

FOX keeps colmes on retainer, he gets $100/week and is worth every penny.

25 posted on 05/04/2011 9:54:45 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Sneakyuser
I sent this very info into the Factor last night after watching Hannity. I don't look for it to be read on tonight's “letters” though.
26 posted on 05/04/2011 10:09:35 AM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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To: acapesket
evidently enough to make the Factor the top rated most watched show on TV. People like you slay me. Just because you don't like the show, you believe in your mind that no one else does either. You are only lying to yourself.
27 posted on 05/04/2011 10:13:26 AM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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To: MsLady
That part of the show was almost funny with Colmes overtalking Bill to make his lame point. The tragic part of the show was that milque toast Marxist Priest telling us that we have no right to cheer over Bin Laden’s death. That idiot male penquin is doing harm to good Catholics all over the world. At least Bill stood up to him and stuck to his opinion about it.
28 posted on 05/04/2011 10:19:48 AM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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To: McGruff
Have you ever heard of ratings? Factor is the top show. Another Freeper in denial because he does not like Bill.
29 posted on 05/04/2011 10:22:58 AM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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To: fish hawk

Yea, that Priest seriously annoyed me. Bernie made some really good points. That priest was seriously wrong. If he would read and study his bible and spend some quality time with God, actually asking Him things, he’d know that. The 6th commandment says, thou shall not murder, in the Hebrew text. Not thou shall not kill.


30 posted on 05/04/2011 10:36:58 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: BufordP

Will read later. Anything by Heather McDonald is worth reading.


31 posted on 05/04/2011 10:40:15 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Sneakyuser
Yes, it was a 'heated discussion' with Alan Colmes and Bill O'Reilly simultaneously shouting at each other while Monica Crowley remained calm (and mostly silent) but looked quite uncomfortable. As always, the Resident Leftist, Colmes, assertively shouted his lies. Bill O'Reilly shouted back and the result was that I hit the 'mute' button on my remote because, no matter the personalities or the point of the debate, two people shouting at each other is simply unintelligible as well as annoying. Colmes is so predictable that he is useless. The man doesn't have an original thought, just left-wing Talking Points and knee-jerk reactions to whatever Republicans say or do. Monica Crowley, she with the PhD. next to her name, is oddly inarticulate and, as someone supposedly representing 'the right', usually not too convincing. She hasn't yet learned to be concise and succinct. I can't imagine why not. Crowley has been writing political commentary for 20 years and has been on Fox News shows since the mid-90's. You would think she knew how to deliver the conservative message by now. Perhaps having the exasperating Alan Colmes as a brother-in-law is hindering Crowley's ability to form coherent, compelling rebuttals to Colmes left-wing nonsense.

In any case, despite the emotion, it was a frustrating segment. Of course, much of the O'Reilly Factor is that way. He is no conservative, tries too hard to be neutral and thinks he far more intelligent than he really is. O'Reilly doesn't have a clue about economics and spouts nonsense, always with a belligerence that ignorance often carries. His recent discussion on the existence of hell with Rev. Franklin Graham (Billy Graham's middle-aged son) was embarrassing for Bill as it clearly demonstrated O'Reilly's ignorance of biblical scripture and his apparently secular conceptions of same. However, 'The Factor' does have some interesting guests. Dennis Miller is always entertaining and while not a hardcore conservative, Miller is a refreshingly intelligent entertainer who seems to realize the fallacies that many liberal positions are built on, and he has rejected them. Great vocabulary and his use of cultural tokens to illustrate his position on any given subject is always interesting. On the opposite side of that coin, Fox's use of the despicable 'Reverend' Al Sharpton is highly offensive. Not only is Sharpton a blowhard equal to O'Reilly, he is a race hustler with a long, sordid record of using race to play on 'white guilt', gaining money and notoriety. I won't watch the fool.

32 posted on 05/04/2011 10:42:00 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: MsLady
Bill nailed him when he asked him that after we defeated Japan on VJ day, was it wrong for all Americans to rejoice and dance in the streets? The Priest didn't want to answer the question. LOL And again when the Priest said he didn't want to judge Bin Laden, Bill said, you mean that you as a person can not judge between good and evil? Then Bill asked him if Osama was a evil man. Again the Priest copped out by saying he wanted to leave judgment up to God. What a gutless total idiot. If I was thinking about becoming a Catholic, this Priest would have driven me off for sure.
33 posted on 05/04/2011 10:48:14 AM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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To: fish hawk

I know that was a really dumb statement, don’t judge people, you leave that up to God. Foolish, gutless, unrighteous, unthinking, we judge people every day. The bible doesn’t say, don’t judge. It says be careful how you judge. Because they way you judge, is the way you will be judged. So I suppose they think by not judging they won’t be judged or won’t be judged harshly themselves. But, and it’s a big BUT, God is a righteous God and He hates all unrighteousness. So if we don’t judge people like Osama then we are just as evil in God’s eyes. Because we have allowed evil to flourish, by not condemning it, by not punishing it.


34 posted on 05/04/2011 11:08:40 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: fish hawk
Have you ever heard of ratings? Factor is the top show. Another Freeper in denial because he does not like Bill.

I'm surprised to see any Freeper defend Bill O’Blowhard after he tried to portray Free Republic as a extremist hate site after finding a couple of questionable posts amongst thousands. Hey O'Reilly how about putting as much research into Obama's birth certificate if you know the difference.

As far as ratings it's the time slot and the alternatives not that former INSIDE EDITION host. The only time I'll watch his show is when a guest is hosting. They probably get higher ratings than that mental midget.

35 posted on 05/04/2011 11:12:07 AM PDT by McGruff (When it comes to Obama's birth certificate. Trust, but verify.)
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To: McGruff
Pretty sad that you would rather watch Juan Williams than O’Reilly.
36 posted on 05/04/2011 11:25:10 AM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Exactly.


37 posted on 05/04/2011 11:31:32 AM PDT by cld51860 (Lies, lies, all lies!)
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To: Wurlitzer

Well they do have his sister in-law setting next to him to tell home he is stupid. It is entertainment people, the Bloviator is all about ratings nothing else. He has the twin twits along with his soft porn, and Hoover who is oh so modern.


38 posted on 05/04/2011 11:40:33 AM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: fish hawk

That same Bill that can’t bring himself to say the name Jesus, instead referring to the deity? That Bill is holding up for Catholics? The same Bill that grills Franklin Graham trying to pull a Larry King and ask him to deny his Savior? That Bill?


39 posted on 05/04/2011 11:47:16 AM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: itsahoot
Bill is religious. In no way is he a born again Christian. Any and all can see that. Still, he is the most watched on all cable channels. No denying that. Hate him or not, it is what it is.
40 posted on 05/04/2011 12:31:18 PM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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