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Republican Presidential Debate #1 - May 5, 2011 - Greenville, South Carolina (Live Thread)

Posted on 05/05/2011 5:08:20 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Broadcast on: Fox News

Broadcast time: 9pm EDT/6pm PDT

The Candidates...

Gary Johnson

Johnson served as governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2002. He founded what would become one of the largest construction companies in New Mexico. He has competed in several triathlons and climbed Mount Everest.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an obstetrician-gynecologist and was the Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Tim Pawlenty

Pawlenty served two terms as governor of Minnesota, from 2002 to 2010. He served in the Minnesota House from 1992 until 2002. He is the son of a truck driver.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: cain; debate; debates; garyjohnson; gopdebate; hermancain; johnson; paul; pawlenty; presidentialdebate; ricksantorum; ronpaul; santorum; scdebate; scgopdebate; timpawlenty
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To: MagnoliaB

It seemed Romney really hurt himself by standing up the people there in Greenville tonight. Seemed arrogant by his absence, and some there seemed sort of po’ed frankly.

I think he just dropped out of the top five by not being there.

Such a shame. /s


301 posted on 05/05/2011 7:56:14 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Saul Alinsky, meet Donald Trump...")
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Mittens doesn’t and will never have enough money to buy SC.


302 posted on 05/05/2011 7:56:16 PM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Christianity = God's Son died for you - Islam = Your son dies for God.)
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To: not2worry

Yes, Cain came across as the real person.


303 posted on 05/05/2011 7:57:10 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: MagnoliaB

Howard Kurtz says Pawlenty drew the toughest questions. Guess Fox thinks he’s the only one with half a chance.


304 posted on 05/05/2011 7:57:31 PM PDT by ejdrapes ("Trump is NO conservative." - Jim Robinson)
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To: SueRae

I think there’s merit in having smaller debates as opposed to a crowd of, say, twelve, and you’re lucky to get five minutes of short answers from each candidate, making it very difficult to get a good overall impression of each candidate on the pertinent issues.

So a second group of five could include Bachmann, Romney, Gingrich, etc... then another group of five to include Palin, Huckabee, etc.

Just a thought.


305 posted on 05/05/2011 7:57:37 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: newzjunkey

Great summary of that question and the answers!!!


306 posted on 05/05/2011 7:57:48 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: MagnoliaB; onyx; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; BillyBoy

Cain’s role is to soak up all the conservative oxygen in the race so that nobody to the right of Daniels and Romney can get any momentum. Looks like he will succeed.

He has no chance to be the nominee. But I doubt his supporters would be dissuaded by that reality.


307 posted on 05/05/2011 7:58:20 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“Paul’s gang is there hollering,, stupid.they ought topull them out!”

They also stacked the deck on the live postings right below the video. Overall, it was not a good night for the GOP. Paulbots may be fervent in their support, but come primary time, he’s history.

Paul, the guaranteed NO vote on everything (many very good, some very bad)
Cain, too much textbook management BS, otherwise he avoided being a political weasel.
Pawlenty, got his candidacy capped by his own cap and trade history
Santorum, sanctimonious trying to convince us he is the most conservative and can win elections, uh Arlen Specter support and 2006 election.
The other guy, a Jerry Brown kumbaya kinda guy.

The presence of Trump, Romney, Gingrich, and Huckabee may have livened it up a bit but, the event still would have been a loser, because those guys are losers too.

Time for Palin or Bachmann to ride in on the white horse.


308 posted on 05/05/2011 7:58:47 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: CounterCounterCulture

this is going to be a pretty boring debate.

Palin/West 2012!


309 posted on 05/05/2011 7:59:11 PM PDT by Rainier_is_here
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To: WVNan
He ran in the Democrat primary in 1992. He was a cancer survivor, and the issue came up in the debates. I recall that he said the cancer was gone, that he swam daily, and was in excellent shape.

He did not win the election (Clinton did), but the cancer came back and Tsongas died two days before the end of Clinton's first term.

-PJ

310 posted on 05/05/2011 7:59:53 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: Poser

Pawlenty won’t get the nomination but we could do a lot worse....like Donald Trump or Mitt Romney.


311 posted on 05/05/2011 8:00:20 PM PDT by ejdrapes ("Trump is NO conservative." - Jim Robinson)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Oh dear...Jesse is really kind of pitiful these days. VP? For who, Alex Jones? ;)

I have issues with Ron Paul - I couldn’t vote for him for president- but I really like that he brings certain things up like the Fed, liberty and free markets. I found myself agreeing with him a lot. Also disagreeing a lot!

Johnson is quirky- but very interesting and thoughtful. I guess my libertarian streak liked him while I don’t agree with all of his or Paul’s views.

Pawlenty may be a nice fellow, but to me he is a caricature of everything I’ve come to dislike about politicians and I couldn’t take him seriously. He and Santorum are political creatures- somehow I expect Karl Rove to be hovering in the background behind these two..


312 posted on 05/05/2011 8:00:26 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
just got through watching the debate, and here are the impressions I was left with.

Paul - Same old quack, different year. And I REALLY disliked the panel trying to label him the “father of the Tea Party”

Cain - FAR more electable that I had previously thought.

Pawlenty - Wimpy RINO with no shot.

Santorum - Much stronger than I had thought.

Johnson - WTF is a Democrat doing running in the Republican primary?

that's my personal opinion.

313 posted on 05/05/2011 8:01:41 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Carter 2.0 The Epic Fail Edition)
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To: SueRae

Thanks!


314 posted on 05/05/2011 8:01:49 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

He should have been there - any candidate that’s dipped their toe in should have shown up. Of the declared candidates I think only Romney, Gingrich and Romer were missing. But nobody takes Buddy Romer seriously as a candidate.


315 posted on 05/05/2011 8:02:59 PM PDT by ejdrapes ("Trump is NO conservative." - Jim Robinson)
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To: secondamendmentkid
Paul, the guaranteed NO vote on everything

Now be fair, Paul did vote YES on something- Nancy Pelosi's tax hike bill back in December (November?)

316 posted on 05/05/2011 8:03:23 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: CounterCounterCulture

My mother just called and said she loves Santorum but she realizes he could never win. She also liked Cain and found Paul amusing.


317 posted on 05/05/2011 8:03:34 PM PDT by redk
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I’m not hanging my hat totally on anyone at this point because it’s simply to early in the game. If I had to cast my vote based on this group tonight Cain would get my vote.


318 posted on 05/05/2011 8:03:59 PM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: campaignPete R-CT

While I’m a big fan of Herman’s and I’d love to see him win it, I don’t think he has the name recognition and I think he has a tough row to hoe in front of him. I think he’d make a great VP choice for Sarah, though.


319 posted on 05/05/2011 8:04:57 PM PDT by reegs
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

“Cain did well. Cain/West. It is still not too late West/Cain 2012”

West is eons above Cain, but I don’t believe he has any plans to run. Plus, you know all parties want what they call a balanced ticket (wink wink).


320 posted on 05/05/2011 8:04:59 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: Political Junkie Too

Oh, I did not remember that. Thanks. You see, there is no way to tell when cancer is going to make a comeback, but it nearly always eventually does. And, Cain is not a young man. He will be good, as someone said, to hold the debate to the conservative side of issues. It’s a shame that he is not a young healthy man, but then he would not have the wisdom and common sense that he has. I wish him well.


321 posted on 05/05/2011 8:05:07 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: merryberry

I am a huge fan of Bret Baier...this was a great debate with a lot of terrific questions, perhaps with the exception of the reality show one. I felt very comfortable with this forum, the moderator, the questions and most certainy, the candidates. I felt I really got to know each of them a little better.

I like the fact that the field was smaller...and if the Republican field of candidates is large, let them debate in small groups like this. Do elimination rounds, taking the top 2-3 and hosting another round.( hey, Obama could even do brackets ;-).

And let Fox do the debates...no more NPR hacks,no more Robin Roberts, Lehrer, etc. This was a wonderful forum and I hope to see it continued. How refreshing. Top pick - Cain, 2nd- Paul. Pawlenty, nice guy but Mitt2, Santorum, strong on National security but Newt2, Johnson?..nice guy, not in the same league,


322 posted on 05/05/2011 8:05:07 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: secondamendmentkid

I saw West in DC on 9/12. He should be on everybody’s short list for VP.


323 posted on 05/05/2011 8:06:38 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I didn’t or haven’t watched a minute of it. Completely forgot about it!!!

Not falling for the media desire to hold a horse race when the only thoroughbred has not decided whether she wants to go to the race track.


324 posted on 05/05/2011 8:07:15 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: MagnoliaB

By no means should anyone do that. This is a thinning the herd debate. Heck, 12 folks up there would have been quite labor intensive to listen to.


325 posted on 05/05/2011 8:08:06 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: not2worry

Ditto.Well said! West 2012 PLEASE GOD. Cain/West 2012
West/Cain 2012. National Security and jobs. Two men of God.


326 posted on 05/05/2011 8:08:06 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“I believe Hannity has everyone on after the debate tonight”

Paul’s not coming on - Sean said he’s off to a tea party.


327 posted on 05/05/2011 8:08:20 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: antceecee

I agree. This was not a “debate” it was a question and answer forum. Throw a question out there and let them argue their viewpoints..that’s a debate


328 posted on 05/05/2011 8:08:41 PM PDT by merryberry (was once a sad berry.)
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To: SE Mom

Yeah Pawlenty and Santorum are scripted professional politicians. No thanks.


329 posted on 05/05/2011 8:10:06 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: eyedigress

First time I’ve ever seen or heard about Johnson. His hand movements made me think he is gay.


330 posted on 05/05/2011 8:10:34 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: truthfreedom

The only way Paul gains any traction is if he give free pot to his camp following.


331 posted on 05/05/2011 8:10:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: sneakers

GWB also endorsed his darling Arlen.


332 posted on 05/05/2011 8:11:38 PM PDT by Theodore R. (John Boehner just surrendered the only weapon with which he had to fight. What does OH see in him?)
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To: WVNan

He was a Republican John Edwards. Yikes


333 posted on 05/05/2011 8:12:21 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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334 posted on 05/05/2011 8:12:41 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ejdrapes

Interesting. Not sure if I agree (though I don’t disagree), but Luntz’ poll members picked Santorum #2.

Cain clear winner according to Luntz.


335 posted on 05/05/2011 8:12:46 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Saul Alinsky, meet Donald Trump...")
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To: eyedigress

“This is a thinning the herd debate. Heck, 12 folks up there would have been quite labor intensive to listen to.”

I agree.


336 posted on 05/05/2011 8:13:00 PM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: justsaynomore

Herman Cain was AWESOME tonight!!!!!


337 posted on 05/05/2011 8:15:57 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Theodore R.

Yep. That’s why Santorum endorsed him as well. It would have been better if Santorum had thought for himself and endorsed a true conservative. Pennsylvania would have been far better off.

Incidentally, I loved GWB. He’s a far better man, and was a far better president than Obama is, but he was wrong in endorsing Specter.


338 posted on 05/05/2011 8:15:58 PM PDT by sneakers ("Obama is like the dog that chased a car and caught it. Now he doesn't know what to do with it.")
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To: reegs

He was terrific! He’s a lot smarter than a lot of people realize- but he’s starting to be a little better known- I think he was by far the best of the bunch tonight.


339 posted on 05/05/2011 8:16:04 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: NicNacPattyWac

I wanted to watch the debates tonight and was surprised my 18 year old son stayed to watch. I asked if he had a top or bottom person from tonight. He said Cain for top. He didn’t like the two on the ends (Paul and Johnson). He thought they were kind of weird. I have to agree. So, 2 more Cain fans at my house.


340 posted on 05/05/2011 8:16:52 PM PDT by Marmolade
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To: MagnoliaB

So only Cain and Paul remain. The rest are wasting time.


341 posted on 05/05/2011 8:16:52 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: WVNan

That would explain Johnson’s awkward, catty unprompted criticism of Governor Palin’s outdoors pursuits. That was offensive and dumb of him.

Gays do seem to have a particularly visceral pattern of hostility toward Palin - see also Hollywood and media (way over-represented by liberal gays, imho).


342 posted on 05/05/2011 8:17:03 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Saul Alinsky, meet Donald Trump...")
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To: justsaynomore

BTTT!!!!!!

Rush sees it too? I didn’t realize that. WOW!!!


343 posted on 05/05/2011 8:17:25 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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I’m gonna recant that, it’s just not right. LOL

The man has hiked Everest so he has very high ambition, but he doesn’t command a presence.


344 posted on 05/05/2011 8:17:56 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: MagnoliaB

I meant...Of the bunch tonight.. and someone memo Newt not to bother announcing in Ga. it is a waste of time.


345 posted on 05/05/2011 8:17:58 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I missed it. But, would you actually consider any of these people contenders for the nomination?


346 posted on 05/05/2011 8:18:43 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

DeMint:”I’ve been in Iowa, New Hampshire and now South Carolina and I’m telling people, don’t jump in right away”

Sounds like he may run.


347 posted on 05/05/2011 8:19:05 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: foobarred

This was not a debate, it was a turkey shoot, loaded with have you stopped beating your wife questions, especially the first one where they tried to make all of them compliment the president for OBL.

Cain was correct, he may not be electable, but he is more right than the rest of them. I certainly would be comfortable with him.


348 posted on 05/05/2011 8:19:49 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Santorum came in second. No way. Who did Luntz focus group?


349 posted on 05/05/2011 8:19:54 PM PDT by ejdrapes ("Trump is NO conservative." - Jim Robinson)
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To: SE Mom

You tube Cain. This is one of the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_bP219ehQ


350 posted on 05/05/2011 8:21:36 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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