Posted on 05/05/2011 6:13:39 PM PDT by Kaslin
Spin: With the White House's story about how Osama bin Laden was killed changing by the hour, it's now imperative that the White House show proof he's dead, including photos and DNA analysis.
'There is no doubt that Osama bin Laden is dead," President Obama told "60 Minutes." So releasing a photo of him won't "make any difference."
In fact, there are growing doubts — not just among bin Laden supporters, but also 9/11 families, who demand release of the photos. They're doing so because parts of the White House narrative have proved false.
First we were told a "firefight" consumed most of the 40-minute assault on bin Laden's safe house.
"There were many other people who were armed in the compound" besides bin Laden, White House spokesman Jay Carney said. "There was a firefight."
It turns out bin Laden was unarmed, as were three others killed. U.S. commandos weren't, as the administration claimed, "met with a great deal of resistance."
In fact, there was no firefight. Commandos spent most of the raid gathering computer and other evidence.
Several other threads of the story have unraveled, including White House counterterror adviser John Brennan's claim that bin Laden used his wife as a "shield."
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Why? photo will be just like the gang viewing the raid in real time, shopped
Even if the photos are verified to be true, the gullible will still doubt. There’s no point in releasing them now.
I want to see the pictures because basically I want the opposite of whatever 0bama is preaching.
The gullible won’t doubt the photos! The suspicious cynics like me will. How can we tell when they stop lying?
Barry, we aren't even certain what your real name is and you think we're going to take your word for this?
You're delusional, boy.
After the Abugrab photos were released, there was an increase in bombings and terrorist attacks. Those cost the lives of U.S. troops and lots of civilians.
I don’t want one of our troops to die because we rolled out the photo of Osama Ben Laden.
Those that disagree with me, please tell me how many of our troops we would have to lose, before you would have second thoughts about the release.
Skepticism is the highest form of gullibility.
I hope they do release the photo and soon! I had to tell my husband at dinner tonight that he had to stop ranting about it or eat alone........ he stopped...... for the time being!
Character matters.
It's not our problem that no one believes Obama, it's Obamas problem. He has developed a pattern of lying that makes even his most benign pronouncements suspect.
The Abugrab photos should not have been released because 0bama wanted them released. Bin Laden’s photo should be released because 0bama does not want it released. Maybe 0bama will be the one whose head is on the chopping block if the Bin Laden picture gets released...if there is one that is.
I think that there will be retaliation no matter if the pictures are released or not...the head is off the snake...now there are many, many jockeying for leadership in their network...there are many already inflamed on the Arab street...violence will flow out of this whether the pictures are in the mix or not. The Muslims do not need an excuse to hate America..they already do..they do not need a picture to force them to blow somebody up, shoot somebody...chop the head off of somebody...they already do that. Our boys are in harms way...pictures or not. Releasing the pictures is for us...the American people...1) to prove that our less than truthful president is telling the truth 2) to give some closure to the victims of 9/11..in essence we all were victimized by that horrible day..we need to know without a doubt that he is gone, out of the picture...Obama has made it almost certain that people will be questioning this for years to come..because he has shrouded this in secrecy...much like his own life. Will there ever be any transparency with this guy...even in this?
So far the only people that are gullible are the ones that are ok with not seeing the photos.
Yes he has. Thanks for the comments.
That type of test generally pays off. In this instance I’m not convinced. Going against Obama is generally a good rule of thumb.
Sure, in a mirror universe.
No, there won’t be any transparency. We’ve seen that question answered over the last few days.
I’m not sure a head shot of Osama with his face mutilated by gunfire is going to fail to launch people on the street into a tirade.
I believe the guy is dead. I don’t need to see it.
I’ll continue to error on the side of our troops safety. I appreciate the alternative opinion. Take care.
I’d have preferred they captured him and placed him in the room next to the Roswell aliens at Area 51.
Acceptance at face value is the highest form of gullibility.
the more I think about this, the more I think it is hilarious .. Obama gets bin laden, but he can’t benefit politically, because he is so inept, he can’t be decisive on the photo issue.. finally he says no way, after vacillating for days and multiple messages coming out of his regime ...
IF they didn’t want to show pictures all they needed to say is “the pictures are so gruesome he isn’t recognizable, releasing them won’t prove he is dead because all that is left is hamburger” ... or something pc that says the same thing..
but instead, he looks weak and the story continues to change. he may be good at chicago style arm-twisting, but looking strong and decisive isn’t working for him.
Keep thinking that. Those who doubt everything will always be more gullible that the skeptics and cynics. The truth isn’t “out there”, it slaps you in the face with obviousness.
I don’t doubt “everything”.
I doubt this.
Oh, golly, who’s gullible now?
The skeptics. The conspiracy theorists. The same ones who are always gullible.
Reuters already released the pics of the three other bodies. I don’t see any mideast countries on fire yet. Just release one photo of Osama so everyone can move on.
Fine by me. I don’t care if they do it in Sepia tone. Just do it.
I don’t want one of our troops to die because we rolled out the photo of Osama Ben Laden.
Those that disagree with me, please tell me how many of our troops we would have to lose, before you would have second thoughts about the release.”
****************** If you swallow the hype that he's concerned about our troops, I have a question for YOU. What planet have you been on the past 2 years.
Since he ordered his new ROE 2 years ago, our KIA’s doubled in 2009, tripled in 2010 and now on the way to beating that number...his ROE favor the Taliban, they get first shot, they don't have to worry much about air support for the troops, and a[-bamba even wants the troops to show ‘courageous restraint’ , after not being allowed to shoot the enemy coming at him until the enemy has the first shot, show restraint by not shooting back at all!
You swallow his ‘concern’ for our troops - guess you like Kool Aide.
Take a good look at this chart and link -
(I could show you MUCH more that shows how he favors he Taliban over our troops...
http://cnsnews.cloud.clearpathhosting.com/news/article/60-us-military-deaths-afghanistan-have-o
Do you blame the actions of the United States of America for inciting the Terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001?
If you do, then you can justify your point about publishing the OBL death photos. Outside of some Paulbots and ignorant Democrats and Liberals, you will have a hard time getting people here to agree to that idea.
If you don't, your point about inciting Jihadist revenge for publishing the OBL death photos is BS.
I have many more examples of a-bamba not giving a plug nickle about our troops. His sympathies are squarely with the the other side.
don't drink the KoolAide - he's playing you and others that believe his reasons - like a fiddle. He's hiding behind our values - which he does NOT have.
Everything about this total refusal to offer any concrete proof - stinks to high heaven.
At the very least, they should have had an independent source, like Scotland Yard, verify forensically.
By not allowing verification, he's thumbed his nose at all the other countries that also suffered attacks by al Queada.
You best pray we can, as a people and a nation, survive this man.
BTW, do you really think he spearheaded this operation?
http://baltimorejewishlife.com/news/news-detail.php?SECTION_ID=2&ARTICLE_ID=5911
The accompanying photo - the body language (hardly someone in command, sitting in the corner where he was told and still in golf clothes - corroborates the story. (rumor has it that hitlery leaked the story - she does, after all, have a legitimate score to settle)
perhaps even more ...These cave dwellers respect only strength. Anything else is seen as weakness - and gives them the momentum to attack.
If they see the photos, for one hing, they'll believe He's DEAD and for another, each man - no matter what group he belongs to - still is concerned about no. 1, himself. If they see that photo - they have to think: "If they got him, they can get me. And I really don't want to end up like THAT!"
You are totally right on that. Indeed, that whole sentence could be a dictionary description of the man.
http://baltimorejewishlife.com/news/news-detail.php?SECTION_ID=2&ARTICLE_ID=5911
Everyone is accepting, at face value, that l-bamba suddenly grew up and orchestrated this operation. I think this story is in total character - and the photo corroborates it - sitting sunken down in the corner, a look of total fright and confusion on his face - and still in his golf clothes.
Had he been in charge, he'd be dressed ‘presidentially’ and, presenting a stance of command for the historic photo. (I surmise he was over a hour late to the TV announcement because they had a helleva time getting him to stand up straight.)
Concur. They'll just stir up hate and discontent, and the newsies are just agitating because they ALWAYS want something that will deliver a jolt.
Screw the newsies this time. No pix. No more Abu Grabbu b.s. and screams of indignation from madrassa scumbags trying to whip up their mobs of boytoys.
Screw them all, it's a state secret. Let them learn English and read the DNA report.
Doughty- I think your assumptions and challenge are “bass ackwards”! The Abu Ghraib photos were humiliating to the Arab psyche and generated lots of anger, but photographic evidence of OBL’s demise by a handful of infidels easily invading an impregnable hideout would be demoralizing to his followers. I think that would result in fewer casualties to us, not more... Think about it.
JC
Keep everybody in confusion It will get out quickly that OBL was dead.
Keep all quiet the acquired info.
LOL, bud you should know by now I NEVER make my decisions based on anything Leftists think.
One of the members of Congress made the safety argument earlier today, and I agree with him.
Obama’s so shallow, he probably decided not to release it because Osama didn’t look pretty enough for the camera.
While I don’t think that’s totally without merit as an argument, I am still stuck with the fact that right now we’re seeing very little anger on the street across the Middle-East.
Isn’t that a good thing? Why press our luck by pushing the matter more, with shocking photos? What is better than no violence, the status now?
The violence can’t go down if there isn’t any. It can go up, way up.
They're quiet because they know this whole thing is a sham. They know OBL is a has-been, all washed up. He hasn't been critical to AQ's operations for years. In fact, AQ itself is on the outs.
The ascendent Islamist power is now the Muslim Brotherhood, and MB sold out OBL in exchange for Obama destabilizing Mubarak in Egypt and overthrowing Gadhafi in Libya, so that they can establish a new Caliphate in North Africa.
He will indeed live on like Elvis in some of their minds.
If we showed them the picture, had them run their fingers through his hair, and showed them videos of his family mourning him, they still wouldn’t believe it.
The family has stated he was killed. That’s still not good enough. What makes you think a photo with portions of his face blown off is going to change that?
Look, I do believe the Muslim Brotherhood is on the prowl, at the behest of Iran. I’m not really buying the sell-out of Laden by the MB though.
I predicted a United States of Iran before Mubarak was placed on the ropes by our pres__ent. People were convinced it was a good thing to destabilize Egypt and any other place the Muslim hordes wanted to. I didn’t.
In time it will become more clear. We’ll be sorry.
MB proxies are going to wind up in charge of a number of nations over there. It’s going to get ugly.
I saw earlier today that the Saudi press is saying that Zawahiri sold out OBL. Probably BS, but it could set off delicious internal AQ bloodbath. We’ll see.
I give a damn about every one of our Brave Servicemen. I had two Nephews serving in Afghanistan and Iraq. A family friend, a Port Authority Police Officer, was murdered on 9/11. Don't confuse my questioning of our supposed Leader's motives with not caring for our Troops or the safety of the American people.
Here is how I see your point of view and what I take from your position on this subject:
According to your logic, our sworn enemies will lay down their arms because they really don't believe the Semi-Muslim President of the United States when he admitted the Jihadist’s Holy Leader OBL was shot in cold blood? Well, it did take a few days for that story to come out.
In your scenario, the Jihadist has one of our Brave Soldiers in his sights, and he is ready to squeeze the trigger when he thinks to himself, if only they showed the picture of our beloved Bin Laden I could kill this Infidel.
You don't agree with my points, so be it. I am questioning the logic of your opinion as you are obviously questioning mine but I assure you that I am not playing a game.
You don't have to “play along” with my responses. I asked you a direct question and you chose not to answer it. That is fine with me.
Over the past few days we have all been exposed to lies and deceit from Obama and his minions. They have caved and let the enemies determine that the American people cannot be privy to the evidence of what our Leaders are telling us. I'm curious when the story changes ten times, aren't you?
I'm not here to piss people off. I'm here to discuss this topic, which has turned into the biggest scam, blunder, cesspool, you name it, that these Obama loving bastards in the White House have foisted upon this country (so far).
You have your position and I have mine. Our Country is showing weakness, and weakness only emboldens our enemies.
Good night.
Well, I’ve made my case to others above this response, so for the most part I’ll just repeat what I just got through saying to someone else.
You and I don’t trust Obama any farther than we can toss his sorry ass, but I do trust our military and they have done the deed. Laden’s relatives agree. The military in Pakistan agrees. The government of Pakistan agrees. Saudi Arabia agrees. Middle-Eastern nations agree. The leaders of Al Qaeda have agreed. Tell me who that leaves out, other than a few Middle-Eastern wing-nuts.
No, Allah didn’t protect him. Perhaps Allah has switched sides and now backs the U. S.
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