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Survivalists: Are you part of the new subculture?
KFOR ^ | 5/6/11 | Ali Meyer

Posted on 05/06/2011 8:20:22 PM PDT by Kartographer

At Red Dawn: Hunting, Survival, Recreation, they specialize in homesteading, emergency preparedness and first-aid.

Owner Gaylon Cornsilk first dreamed up this concept about a year ago.

The doors have been open just six months and business has exploded.

Cornsilk says, "This was kinda born out of a passion to see people prepared for any kind of emergency, natural or man-made. We are growing exponentially everyday. Obviously there's an air of people starting to notice and want to prepare for what's going on around them."

Donna Harper manages the store's long-term storage food section.

Some of the pre-packaged emergency food rations last five to 25 years; the rations sell out so quickly they cannot keep enough on premises.

(Excerpt) Read more at kfor.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; cwii; economy; emergencyprep; preppers; prepping; preps; shtf; survival; survivalping; teotwawki; tshtf
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Listen up Preppers you are not alone!
1 posted on 05/06/2011 8:20:25 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; Blue Jays; ...

PING!!!!!

DOn’t forget for those who maybe just starting that thanks to Freeper eaker my Preparedness Manual is available for free download at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf


2 posted on 05/06/2011 8:23:11 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

bttt


3 posted on 05/06/2011 8:23:51 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: Kartographer

Can’t they just use their Y2K leftovers?


4 posted on 05/06/2011 8:25:05 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

The Y2K leftovers were eaten after the dot com bubble crash.

Do they have any decent shooting ranges? I just want the shooting range part. I don’t care much for eating roots instructions.


5 posted on 05/06/2011 8:30:03 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: Kartographer

Men of all sorts of races and creeds have been surviving for thousands of years, so I would say no.


7 posted on 05/06/2011 8:30:25 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Kartographer

Raised prepared.

A man who can can is a man who can.


8 posted on 05/06/2011 8:34:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: trumandogz; yup2394871293
Well someone has to stand on a bridge somewhere waiting for FEMA to bring them a blanket, a bottle of water and a MRE so that the ‘Lamestream’ news anchors have their money shots for their broadcast. Glad to see there are volunteers like yourselves. As for me and mine I will provide.
10 posted on 05/06/2011 8:35:53 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I’ve been a Prepper for a looooong time. Came with being very poor for a number of years and sometimes not having enough to eat. But I also never forget, Jesus feed 5000 MEN, that wasn’t including the woman and children. With a few loaves of bread and a few fish.


11 posted on 05/06/2011 8:52:09 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Kartographer

when I get my new printer, I will finally print out your great work....


12 posted on 05/06/2011 8:52:27 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Kartographer

Somehow, I don’t think I could bring myself to believe that society is about to collapse unless I was able to walk down every shopping aisle and see it. When we get half an inch of snow, the stores may be short of bread and kerosene for a couple of days, but you don’t have half-mile lines and black markets in bread and kerosene. That takes time. That takes a kind of sustained, deepening panic that hysterical 2nd-page headlines can’t generate. I’ve been cought off guard by two major hurricanes and a couple of tornadoes, but I was able to hold out each time, although charity for victims of natural disasters is a good idea. A creeping politcal malaise peters out after a while, too. Elected officials terms end, and people vent their frustration. Don’t load up on too many MRE’s, because five years of trying to live off spoiled MRE’s may not be a life worth living, if things ever got that bad in the first place.


13 posted on 05/06/2011 8:53:00 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Kartographer
Wife and I were at Sam's Club the other day, and they had 6 gallon plastic buckets (45 pounds) of whole grain hard winter white wheat for $17.88. Two buckets followed us home.

For anyone interested in long term storage of food, if kept cool and dry, 30 year shelf life for whole grain hard wheat is easily obtained. Once cracked or milled, it has to be used fairly soon or the released oils will oxidize and turn it rancid.

We don't use it for breads etc. just hot cracked wheat cereal. Easy to prepare the overnight way and love the nutty flavor. We have used both hard red and white wheat, slightly different flavors, but both are great.

We have had our old style SS Vita-Mix for about 20 years, and it is still as good as the day we bought it. But any good similar unit should suffice.

How to make hot cracked wheat cereal-Click here

14 posted on 05/06/2011 8:55:15 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Being an autodidact, I happily escaped the bureaucratization of intellect)
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To: Kartographer
Subsistence here in Alaska makes the paycheck go so much further. From hunting that provides most of your meat, setting fish nets for salmon when they come through, to having a huge garden that provides all the vegetables you need, to heating with firewood which is free, and all the other rural activities that cut your expenses (that people in urban areas just can't do to the degree we do). It's not how much you make that counts as how much you spend that matters.

I'd hate to be enslaved in urban America (where everything costs) with inflation coming. People get to thinking enslavement to the system where you can't control how much it takes to survive; is just how it really is everywhere; not true.

We have 2 kids in school, no loans, or aid. We could never do it if we lived in an urban area driving 2-3 new vehicles, spending all those bucks just to survive in that system to make the bucks it takes to stay alive. No joke folks, everybody needs to take a look at the game they are chasing.

15 posted on 05/06/2011 8:56:28 PM PDT by Eska
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To: yup2394871293

If you aren’t going to finish those MREs, can I have em? Life might get rough for a while, but I fully intend to fight through it to better days.


16 posted on 05/06/2011 8:56:35 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Kartographer
I got news for this author. Survivalists have been around for a long time. I started a gun business and gunsmithing shop on their trade 25 years ago.
I guess everything is “new again” to those who weren't there.
17 posted on 05/06/2011 8:58:39 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: Kartographer

Another thing to think about: how are you going to get at your fresh water and MRE’s if they’re under water, reduced to ash and steam, or buried under rubble? Granted, if you live in cave this may not be an issue provided that the roof doesn’t collapse and it doesn’t flood. There may be some old missile silos that are more affordable properties, but is someone that well prepared going to have a family that can put up with being in his company 24/7 for an extended period of time?


18 posted on 05/06/2011 9:02:25 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Steel Wolf

You don’t want my MRE’s. I like curry flavored ones. Just the same, go for variety if you’re buying in bulk.


19 posted on 05/06/2011 9:03:38 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Kartographer

I live in a place surrounded by 3 [or more] sites destined to be instantly vitrified.

Not much point in “stocking up” if you won’t even live long to see the pretty flashes.


20 posted on 05/06/2011 9:06:54 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep....the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Steel Wolf

Me, I’m more attracted to the nomadic lifestyle where you live off horse jerky, rape and pillage, and live in yurts. None of this “man in the cave” bullcrap for me.


21 posted on 05/06/2011 9:07:09 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: oldenuff2no
Politics must run it all. Remember a couple years back when powder & primers were cleaned off the shelves. Even though I Had close to 10K ammo that I had stored away for years; I went out and spent close to 6 gran on reloading equipment, brass, 50 lbs of powder, and over 10K primers.

Laugh all ya want, but I got to thinking about my grandkids not having ammo to kill a bunch of caribou when they came through. Those 6000 215's make me feel quite good now, ha.

22 posted on 05/06/2011 9:07:09 PM PDT by Eska
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To: yup2394871293

Well, not unless I can get netflix in my cave.


23 posted on 05/06/2011 9:10:13 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Kartographer

It is somewhat baffling that most people in this country are willing to think that being prepared for disasters is kooky.

Some of this mindset comes from this almost religious faith that “the government” will always take care of us. It wouldn’t just let us starve or be without shelter, or fail to protect us from thieves and looters....and worse.

I hope the authorities will help in the event of disaster. But I’m not a loon for having a plan B. I damn sure don’t have this “faith” that the government is or will always be fair, generous and benevolent. That it will never turn on me. That would require an ignorance of history and a naivete that I am simply not capable of.

Not that many years ago I lived in Lakeland, FL. The eyes of 3 hurricanes passed over Lakeland in about 6 weeks! No power for one of those weeks. I remember what happened in Dade County after Andrew.

This is what our society has come to. Responsible preparedness is viewed with scorn by the elite, our betters. How presumptuous of us. We are ridiculed by by incompetent bureaucrats and politicians. Laughed at by media morons and Hollywood halfwits that couldn’t cook their own meals or change their baby’s diaper.

A person that plans on weathering disaster and protecting his family is a “survivalist”? Just how would we then define the head of a family that would starve in 5 days without the 24 hour grocery store down the street? Who has no means of protecting the lives of his family or the family’s property? A “suicidalist”?

Just who is the ignorant bumpkin here?


24 posted on 05/06/2011 9:10:41 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Kartographer

Thanks.


25 posted on 05/06/2011 9:19:51 PM PDT by BJungNan (Spend yesterday's money good, today's money ok. Never spend tomorrow's money)
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To: yup2394871293

You can’t be prepared for every eventuality. And the bomb might fall on your house first.

But reasonable, common sense preparations could very well mean that you would survive the initial tumult of a disaster. Odds are much better for you if you get through 3-6 weeks, maybe 6 months.

I’ve got a SIL that is living week to week on the generosity of family because she thought it was stupid to save for the future when she might die tomorrow. Well, she didn’t die, but she is living in Hell now. And it’s going to get a lot worse when mommy dies and can’t send her money every month anymore.


26 posted on 05/06/2011 9:22:21 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Sea Parrot

mark for later


27 posted on 05/06/2011 9:23:49 PM PDT by VirginiaMom
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To: ChildOfThe60s

True, but I don’t think that saving your money and maintaining at least a minimum level of income is merely a survival strategy. It’s a good way to live well.


28 posted on 05/06/2011 9:27:13 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Excellent points!

I grew up very poor. Frequently we had almost no food, and the neighbor would take pity on the youngest of us and give us a meal here and there. I weighed 79 lbs. when I was nearly 13 years old.

I will always feel the need to have “extra”. I know what it is to go for three or four days without a morsel to put in your mouth, and no way to get food. There were many times when we ate nothing but vegetables grown in the back yard for six days a week, then we each got one piece of fried chicken on Sunday.

I know that not one of you out there would want your own child to go through this.

And if you could ever even imagine a situation where you were unable to get any food for days, and have it happen frequently and repeatedly, you could never insult those that fear this happening to themselves or their families.

It is no different than being financially responsible. It is no different than picking out a good safe neighborhood to raise your family in. Or making sure your car was in good safe condition.

I know that most on these preparedness threads know that to plan ahead for their loved ones is smart no matter the times, but for those that ridicule us -

No soup for you!!!


29 posted on 05/06/2011 9:37:58 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I don’t have any special perspective on this, but if the safety net is too generous, it arguably encourages people to not think about the future. I take it for granted that social security, medicare, and medicaid goodies won’t be there for me when I’m likely to want or need them. And you need to seriously consider a major career change and a permanent dock in your wages before you become a 99er.


30 posted on 05/06/2011 9:37:58 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Ladysforest

That makes a bit more sense to me than the usual “MRE” and upcoming disaster rhetoric.


31 posted on 05/06/2011 9:40:27 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293
True, but I don’t think that saving your money and maintaining at least a minimum level of income is merely a survival strategy. It’s a good way to live well.

Agreed. I was using that as an illustration of the all or nothing sort of thinking that usually comes into these discussions.

A family can dramatically improve their odds without going to off the charts extremes.

Am I preparing for 10 years of chaos? Nope, I'm not going to think that far ahead. But $1000 will buy a surprisingly large quantity of canned goods that will not spoil for 5-10 years. Throw in a couple of good firearms and several thousand rounds of ammo (again not a great expense, and certainly not perishable). Another $500 for basic, non perishable necessities like TP, toothbrushes, personal hygiene needs. Buy ahead on important prescription medications and first aid materials. Keep $1000 of cash on hand. All of a sudden for maybe $4K you have now put your family into the top 5% in terms of survivability for the critical 3 months. We all know how quickly most middle class families squander $4000. It's a simple $4k insurance policy. Spend the money and forget it.

32 posted on 05/06/2011 9:40:58 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: yup2394871293

I think my post #32 is pretty much in agreement with you on that.

I just want reasonable preparedness that won’t break my budget and become an obsession that permeates my life.


33 posted on 05/06/2011 9:49:29 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
It is somewhat baffling that most people in this country are willing to think that being prepared for disasters is kooky.

I think it is actually worse than that.

There seems to be another liberal exercise underway in redefining actions and activities - much as liberals have been successful in redefining people as Homophobes, Birthers, etc.

Not so long ago our society considered independence, self reliance, saving money and planning ahead to be admirable character traits. They have now been replaced by reliance on government, spending beyond your means and living day to day.

Now, recently I have started to hear people who are prudent, plan ahead and stock up to prepare for possible emergencies referred to as hoarders.

Imagine what that thought process will lead to when/if a disaster hits an area, the shelves go bare and some people start thinking they don't have food because the "hoarders" have it all.


34 posted on 05/06/2011 9:50:46 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Every day we now throw away things people will kill for after SHTF.)
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To: Eska

Don’t assume that just because people live in a city or suburbs that they are chasing some sort of game. Nor is everyone ‘enslaved’ who doesn’t happen to be living in some outpost or another.


35 posted on 05/06/2011 9:50:52 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Jonah is my patron saint.)
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To: cripplecreek

Can you can that statement into something more palatable and yet still be a canned statement that hasn’t lost the freshness though it be canned from a can do man of the can clan?


36 posted on 05/06/2011 9:55:28 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Iron Munro
Imagine what that thought process will lead to when/if a disaster hits an area, the shelves go bare and some people start thinking they don't have food because the "hoarders" have it all.

Yep. Those of us that prepare have. And that's why there are boxes of ammunition next to the canned goods. They can call me a "hoarder", but they surely won't call me an unarmed hoarder. Significant difference.

A real depression will be much different now because the societal norms and mores, those that deterred widespread lawlessness in the 30s, no longer exist. There won't be any noble hobos running around this time.

37 posted on 05/06/2011 10:03:27 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“”Keep $1000 of cash on hand.””

OMG! I remember after Katerina some rich TV anchor kind of guy sneered that EVERYONE should be able to stash at LEAST $5000. bucks away - no prob - in case of a natural disaster. WTF?? Depending on where you live, what time of year, ect-all the money in the world won’t help your a$s out.

You and I know that the AVERAGE ordinary American family would have a hard time setting aside even $1000. for unexpected times. If they can’t they need to prepare gradually. To buy an extra $20.00 in canned goods every couple of weeks-rotate stock-it can be done.

One word people ** COUPONS **. My husband got the lesson ( :) ) and now he delights in the $20. to $80. per week he can save buying the products and brands we already us. People behind us in line are very supportive and surprised at what we save.

Husband was a handloader from wayyyy back..It was a hobby for him, but now it’s something more -it’s a necessary skill.

He learned to hunt (as opposed to target shooting) a couple years ago, and I learned to cook over a open fire. We both feel a deep sense of satisfaction out of earning these skills.

Not a darn thing wrong with stocking some MRE’s to have in case you can’t have anything else. I live in the northeast, and baby, there are times.................one good ice storm and it can get desperate fast.


38 posted on 05/06/2011 10:05:55 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Sea Parrot

Really?

That seems like a good deal.

I’ll see if Costco has something like that.

If they do I’ll buy 5.


39 posted on 05/06/2011 10:07:54 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I agree wholeheartedly with you. Being a prepper is a responsible way to live. People act like it’s the looniest thing in the world. I personally find putting 100% faith in our modern lifestyle as being nuts.

Just because one is prepared for many things doesn’t mean you have to forsake modern society. In addition to being prepared for disasters I also live a modern lifestyle. But unlike those who scoff at prepping, when things go bad, not only can I still eat and stay warm and dry but many of today’s modern amenities stay available to me.

Probably the biggest reasons people don’t like it is because it requires a lot of hard work and knowledge of many different things. For me living in the mountains means being prepared. So many people move into the high country and think they’ll live the same way they did in the city. Doesn’t work like that.

So many things that were once just part of our normal physique are now laughed at. There are so many examples but I’ll give just one very important one: water. I’ve got a good friend who lives in Phoenix. He’s a smart man. I asked him once where his water comes from. He gave the answer that most people do; his faucet. I asked what happens if no water comes from that faucet. His answer, “the city would fix it.” And if the city can’t fix it? Well he said, “I’d go to the store and buy it.” You see where this is headed.

Prepping is simply a mindset and a good one. Remember the Boy Scouts Motto?


40 posted on 05/06/2011 10:09:44 PM PDT by Graneros ("Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Wonderful clarity on your part, but I don’t think we’re supposed to think such thoughts. Too much of that and people might just start turning off their televisions.


41 posted on 05/06/2011 10:10:50 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: yup2394871293; Salamander
Another thing to think about is that the disaster does have to hit you directly it only has to cut off your food, water and power. You say that you've been caught off guard by two major hurricanes and a couple of tornadoes and yet you've learned nothing, which in itself tells me much about your mind set one which repeats the same mistakes over and over again. Yes you got by, but did you ever consider that you got by with luck. I find it odd that so many who don't prepare or look down on those that do say things like: “Why should I prepare it will just all get destroyed or I won't be able to get to it or we will all be dead so it doesn't matter.” That's BS! In most disasters many many people live, very rare are the disasters where everyone is killed and everything destroyed. As I posted a disaster does have to hit you directly it only has to cut off your food, water and power. But you go ahead stand on the side of the road begging for FEMA to feed and provide for you and your family. Don't take care of your own, make sure you and your family are on tv lined up awaiting the ‘guberment’ to help you. Me I don't wish to be at the mercy of some bureaucrat. Some people are ants some people are grasshoppers. I hope you find being a grasshopper works for you.
42 posted on 05/06/2011 10:13:03 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Here is a site with some of the most common sense info I have seen on planning for possible natural disasters or sociital upheaval.

How to Survive Hard Times
by Robert Wayne Atkins, P.E.

http://www.grandpappy.info/indexhar.htm

As an example, the author recommends starting small by accumulating canned goods you probably already use until you have a 30 day supply on hand.

Here are some, but not all, of the subjects covered:

How to Find Water and How to Make Water Safe to Drink

How to Build a Very Effective Water Filter System for Approxmiately $75

A Simple But Effective Survival Plan

Realistic Self-Sufficiency: The Do’s and the Don’ts

Part One: How to Start Preparing for Hard Times on a Very Modest Budget

Part Two: How to Start Preparing for Hard Times on a Very Modest Budget

Use Common Sense to Compare Your Current Location to Another Location

How to Select the Optimal Retreat Location

A 30-Day Emergency Food Supply for One Adult

One-Year Emergency Food Supply for One Adult\

Pure Salt, Iodized Salt, and Sea Salt

Hand-Cranked Stainless Steel Meat Grinder

How to Preserve Food Using Three Simple Old Fashioned Methods

How to Improve the Quality of an 1800s Lifestyle

Firewood, Fireplaces, and Cast Iron Stoves

Shelf Life of Canned Food and Dry Food

Shelf Life of Medicine

Recommended Books for Home Schooling

Books: Emergency First Aid Books and Supplies.

Books: Recommended List of Books to Purchase Before the Hard Times Begin

The Basic Rules of Survival During Hard Times

The Basic Minimum Necessities for Survival During Hard Times

A Comparison of Five Leading Brands of Toilet Tissue

Flashlights Rechargeable Batteries and a Solar Battery Charger

Solar Power Generator

During a Disaster Event Should You Stay at Home or Leave?

How to Effectively Evacuate a Big City Without a Car

An Emergency Evacuation List

Pets and Livestock

The Advantages and Disadvantages of Recreational Vehicles and Campers

Charity During Hard Times

The Most Frequently Overlooked Items for Long-Term Hard Times Survival

Food Inflation Price Index Based on the One-Year Emergency Food Supply

How to Convert Human Waste into a Safe Garden Compost Fertilizer

Job Opportunities During Hard Times

Recipes for Hard Times, including Acorns, Hickory Nuts, Pemmican, Squirrel, and Wild Game.

Home Gardening Tips (Index of Articles)

Wilderness Survival Tips (Index of Articles)

Free Preparedness Manual - LDS Free Online 222 Page Book on How to Prepare for Hard Times.


43 posted on 05/06/2011 10:15:35 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Every day we now throw away things people will kill for after SHTF.)
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To: metmom

Check this guy out! He even admits that he has been caught off guard by two major hurricanes and a couple of tornadoes and he still sees no need for prepping! As Bugs Bunny would say: “What a maroon!”


44 posted on 05/06/2011 10:17:38 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: ChocChipCookie
What I mean is you don't even realize how enslaved you have become, I didn't either until I moved to a place with no organized local govt (unorganized borough). We don't have any taxes, even property taxes. No LEO's whatsoever, no regulations, permits, comp planning,ect and it works out just fine. Everybody likes no real intrusive govt that keeps growing and fight when fed agencies try to give freebees to the community. Example: This year one of the few town Dems tried to bring in this fema program that would provide low cost flood insurance. Community got to together and thanked her for her leg work but said if people needed insurance, they had to buy it themselves, not expect the govt to subsidize a program; end of story.

Everything is tied up in urban areas, you can't stop it either.

People in urban areas can't cut their costs like people can in rural areas. Whether going to wally world twice a week or big macs or pizza, the money goes. I'm 500 miles from nearest sams. Living costs are way higher in urban areas and you can't get around that reality. I have friends working 2 jobs, wives work and they spend just so much to stay in the game. Their heads spin at how hard it is getting to just survive. I don't feel it nearly as bad, because I am able to cut costs where they can't. They have to pay expenses that are part of urban life. Taxes, high utilities, high rent or mortgages, but the big one is all that is spent just living the urban lifestyle. Wife and I have our teaching degrees, my monthly costs are $200/ month phone & elec and $200/month dir tv and thats about it. We have way more disposable income than we have ever had in any urban area and we just luv going back in time to the 1940's lifestyle.

No offense, but when the inflation hits, cost of living will affect urbanites much more than how it will affect people living in rural areas; and no way around it. That's what I'm getting at.

Here's one for ya: When I did live urban, I could buy milk cows from local farmer for around 400 bucks. I'd debone and can meat. Would get close to 175 quarts out of a milk cow and it was quite good. Pressure cook meat. I'm so far out now, no farmers. We can salmon, but usually just freeze caribou and moose. I'd check with local small family farmers that are milking 50-60 cows, they always have 5-6 year old cows for sale.

45 posted on 05/06/2011 10:23:52 PM PDT by Eska
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To: ChildOfThe60s

My parents would be befuddled by the word prepper and the idea of not planning ahead and stocking up. That is the way almost everyone lived not so long ago.

We lived in a small town, not on a farm.
But summers and fall were still spent collecting food and putting it up for the winter. It was hard work to pick and prepare the vegetables and fruits but even the small children were brought out to the fields and orchards to help out.

I still think warm thoughts about those shelves under the basement stairs overflowing with tasty home canned vegetables, sauces, fruits and sometimes meats. We knew it meant good meals through the long winter.


46 posted on 05/06/2011 10:29:17 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Every day we now throw away things people will kill for after SHTF.)
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To: Iron Munro

Don’t forget Post #2


47 posted on 05/06/2011 10:31:50 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

As for food, water and power, if you only have a half-empty ketchup bottle in your fridge at any given time, live in place where you are surrounded by people you don’t trust or respect, and are incapable of walking, then yes, you are a fool. Either that, or you’re living in Somalia and you have my pity.


48 posted on 05/06/2011 10:32:27 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Kartographer
Heck, I've been through 7.9 shakers Nov 3rd 2002, big burns 30X40 miles across that burned right through (then your glad fema brings in sprayers and water tanks and surrounds your house, ha), and we had a big flood at ice out on the Yukon 2 years back; washed half the town away, broke tele poles like match sticks, and scraped 200 year old trees down to the dirt off all the islands. When the ground opens up in your front yard, half expect to see the devil come jumping out, ha. BUT the only way you can prepare for such things is have a good spring, and secure food supply and fuel for generator, ect.

By living prepared, you are way better off the whole way around we figure. Couldn't imagine it any other way.

49 posted on 05/06/2011 10:35:39 PM PDT by Eska
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To: Kartographer

“Don’t forget Post #2”

Thanks.

I already downloaded it some time ago.
A a lot of it is printed out and incorporated into our own hard times/prepper/bailout manual.


50 posted on 05/06/2011 10:35:59 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Every day we now throw away things people will kill for after SHTF.)
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