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Gov. Bobby Jindal releases his birth certificate
The Times-Picayune ^ | May 6 2011 | Jonathon Tilove

Posted on 05/06/2011 9:32:12 PM PDT by machogirl

Gov. Bobby Jindal arrived in the United States in utero, his mother about three months pregnant. jindal-birth-certificate.jpgView full sizeGov. Bobby Jindal's birth certificate

As he wrote last year in his book, "Leadership and Crisis," his mother had been offered a scholarship in 1970 to complete a graduate degree in nuclear physics at LSU.

When she informed the university that she couldn't accept the scholarship because she was pregnant, "LSU wrote back and promised her a month off for childbirth if she changed her mind. LSU was so accommodating, and the opportunity to come to America so thrilling, that my parents accepted.

"So, my parents stepped out on faith, secured green cards, packed up a few suitcases, said their goodbyes, and took off for this exotic new place called Baton Rouge, Louisiana."

(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; bobbyjindal; certifigate; constitution; eligible; louisiana; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: iowamark

Interesting you’d say that. There are cases in which there was a “slight” reference to NBC. I’ve read Vattel, it’s online. I know it’s not our Constitution, but George Washington borrowed it from the library and never returned it. He felt it was important.

Perhaps, whomever has standing, (now who knows), can get the Supremes to look at it. But I don’t hold out hope.

Other than the first Presidents, whom couldn’t have been NBC’s because America didn’t exist yet, the 19th Amendment (?) fixed the slave issue of citizenship, why have there been no, non NBC’s of “my definition” if you will, up until Obama? Chester Arthur rumblings excluded. (i think that was him)


51 posted on 05/06/2011 10:10:48 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: SatinDoll

No, he’s not wrong. Although an argument can be made (based on Vattel and several other sources) that “natural born citizen” requires that both parents be citizens, the more commonly accepted view is (and has been for quite some time) that children born in the U.S. (except those born to ambassadors and diplomats, who are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States) are “natural born citizens.” See, e.g., Lynch v. Clarke (1844); Charles Gordon, Who Can Be President Of The United States: The Unresolved Enigma, 28 MD L. Rev. 1,1 (1968).


52 posted on 05/06/2011 10:11:03 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: machogirl

That’s why I posted Jindal’s and Obama’s in the same post. Jindal’s has the state seal, current bar code of the certified copy and is and looks genuine.

Obama’s “long form” recently released still looks phony— not on safety paper with frame, no seal, etc. They can’t even manage a realistic forgery.


53 posted on 05/06/2011 10:11:04 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: quantim

Amen. He is.


54 posted on 05/06/2011 10:12:14 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: iowamark
FWIW, we have now had not one, but two, Presidents born in the U.S. of fathers who were not American citizens -- Barack Obama and Chester A. Arthur (who's father was a British citizen).

In both cases, it was well known prior to the election that their fathers were not American citizens.

Yet, in neither case, was there a serious argument about their eligibility put forward by either the opposition party or any other legal authority prior to their election.

What conclusion might one draw from these observed facts?

55 posted on 05/06/2011 10:13:39 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

That’s out of my non-techie mind. I did blow it up and was disturbed to find a link, on the official WH blog about the BC, to the other released to ? fact check, kos? anyway, at the bottom of the PDF document showed it was printed from SNOPES WEBSITE. Now why wouldn’t Barry or his campaign have the one they released in 2008 and have to go to SNOPES?


56 posted on 05/06/2011 10:15:08 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Brimack34

I don’t think that he is either, if you use what I thought was the definition. He was born before his parents were citizens.


57 posted on 05/06/2011 10:16:01 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl
The fact that Washington borrowed Vattel's book from the library is irrelevant. The question is not how Washington would have interpreted the phrase, it is how a reasonable person in 1789 would have interpreted the phrase. As Justice Scalia wrote in Heller:

In interpreting this text, we are guided by the principle that "[t]he Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning." . . . Normal meaning may of course include an idiomatic meaning, but it excludes secret or technical meanings that would not have been known to ordinary citizens in the founding generation.

I would argue that it is much more likely that "ordinary citizens" would have understood "natural born citizen" as referring to something like the British common law concept of "natural born subject, rather than to the work of a Swiss legal theorist. Have you any evidence suggesting that Vattel's work was "known to ordinary citizens in the founding generation"?

58 posted on 05/06/2011 10:17:45 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: SatinDoll

I believe by the act of “inaction” by the Courts, they will point to Barry as Precedent. And that makes me mad.

**as an aside, my kids do think i’m crazy. lol


59 posted on 05/06/2011 10:18:05 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

He is not a natural born citizen.


60 posted on 05/06/2011 10:18:18 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NoRedTape
"If he wasn’t so busy in LA, he’d be my first choice for President of the United States.

Unfortunately, Jindal's parents were not citizens when he was born meaning he is not a natural born citizen.

61 posted on 05/06/2011 10:18:31 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: SatinDoll

I do have to say also, that the picture of Barry and Chandoo is a little creepy. They are sitting way to close together. (as my understanding of guys)


62 posted on 05/06/2011 10:19:23 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

Jindal isn’t really my first pick for President, but surely you realize that if he decides to run, there won’t be any legal opposition to it.


63 posted on 05/06/2011 10:19:25 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: bgill
There it is. Vitter is wanting to change the laws instead of abiding by them. Sorry, Vitter, but Jindal was not, is not, and never will be a NBC by the laws set out by the founding fathers in the Constitution. I like Bobby Jindal.... He would make a great president ... Look what he has done for Louisiana!.......But; I must admit his is "not" a Natural Born Citizen.... ******************************************************************************* Obama's ..."Legal"... Father Obama Sr. was a Kenyan with British Citizenship ****************************************************************************** Obama admits this!!...... Obama is... "not"... eligible to be POTUS because his ***********father was never an American Citizen!!*****************
64 posted on 05/06/2011 10:20:01 PM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: UniqueViews

They think we are stupid. Lemmings who go along with whatever garbage the MSM is determined to print.


65 posted on 05/06/2011 10:21:08 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: okie01

The Fix.


66 posted on 05/06/2011 10:21:45 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Oh, but I think that it’s relevant and a fascinating piece of history.


67 posted on 05/06/2011 10:22:48 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

Certainly most people who run for President fit your definition. However, Barry Goldwater, John McCain, and B.H. Obama, who do not, have been nominated by the major parties with little hesitation re: “natural born citizen”. If you want to lobby to have your definition written into law, go for it.


68 posted on 05/06/2011 10:23:19 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Chester Arthur excluded. There are doubts about the “everyone” knew theory, there hasn’t been a ONE, since Barry.


69 posted on 05/06/2011 10:24:15 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Steel Wolf

Amongst the backroom deals, there will not be. My understanding of my Senator McShamnesty is that he was NOT born on a base but in a city hospital. If this is interpreted as Barry voted on in the resolution about MCCain and interpreted as how Barry voted on it, then Barry believed that both parents were citizens of The United States. IMHO John wasn’t an NBC either. As Satindoll stated, there are many threads debating the NBC issue, with court cases, and Senator Barack Obama voting for the McCain resolution.


70 posted on 05/06/2011 10:27:59 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: All; bgill
You need to re-read the piece.

Vitter's bill is about "birth tourism" and anchor babies. It doesn't address presidential eligibility but common birthright citizenship. That is citizenship derived from birth parent's citizenship and/or birth location.

In California we had a clinic aimed at Chinese nationals specifically for them to come, give birth and go home. They did this so the new child would be American and they could avoid China's "one child" policy.

If you need the problem of anchor babies explained, read the article.

71 posted on 05/06/2011 10:28:01 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: machogirl
The Fix.

Forgive me, but I have no idea what you mean.

72 posted on 05/06/2011 10:29:12 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: iowamark

Yes, Barry G was born in the territory. I believe that would fit the definition. But again, he never was President.

Having gone through a bloody ten years of fighting toward the formation of a country Independent of Britain, it is understandable what the Founding Fathers would have meant by NBC. They did NOT want a President with British Allegiance.


73 posted on 05/06/2011 10:30:35 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: okie01

The scripted outcome that we peons have no say or control.


74 posted on 05/06/2011 10:31:28 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; okie01

I’m with you guys.

I don’t know where this draconian definition of NBC came from.

In MY 8th grade class were were taught if you were born here, you were thus natural born and eligible for the Presidency.

It has simply blown my mind that so many people have been yelling this from the rooftops when not a single person in the whole wide world didn’t know that Obama senior was not a citizen.

Were they thinking that maybe that was news to the SCOTUS and it just needed to be pointed out?

Sorry folks....I haven’t found a single legal mind that agrees with you.


75 posted on 05/06/2011 10:32:09 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: machogirl

I don’t think he qualifies.


76 posted on 05/06/2011 10:33:10 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: machogirl

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
This link shows “codes” that define citizenship. Just saying. I don’t see anywhere reading the constitution that it assumes NBC says both parents are already citizens.


77 posted on 05/06/2011 10:33:22 PM PDT by libbylu ( Sarah Palin has more intestinal fortitude than 535 congress critters)
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To: newzjunkey

We have doctors in Nogales, AZ that have set up advertisements for such “births”. Citizenship whether Naturalized or Birth on soil is one thing, but NBC, those words chosen by the Constitutional Authors is another.


78 posted on 05/06/2011 10:33:42 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: iowamark
If you want to lobby to have your definition written into law, go for it.

It is already written into the Supreme Law of the Land, the US Constitution, and supported by no less than four Supreme Court decisions, the pertinent portions of which have been posted on FR multiple times.

A Natural Born Citizen is one born in the USA to parents who are citizens. That is what is required to be eligible for the office of president.

79 posted on 05/06/2011 10:34:51 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: libbylu

It’s the parents that aren’t subject to the jurisdiction of, that I’m having a problem with and until the Supreme Court Rules on it, as in Roe v Wade, it’s not settled.


80 posted on 05/06/2011 10:35:20 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Mariner

I don’t think he does either, but Levin was promoting Rubio running.


81 posted on 05/06/2011 10:36:23 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: eddie willers

Then you aren’t looking hard enough. :)


82 posted on 05/06/2011 10:37:12 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

Seriously, why have two different terms in the Constitution. These guys were Brilliant. I can’t imagine they made a fundamental error interchanging the two distinct terms.

What bothered me was that the writer of the article was intentionally (?) misleading.


83 posted on 05/06/2011 10:40:28 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: meadsjn

If it is so obvious, why won’t any court take up the issue?

It sure is frustrating being so insistent that you are right, and being the only one, isn’t it?


84 posted on 05/06/2011 10:42:17 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: machogirl
The scripted outcome that we peons have no say or control.

Ah! So, who wrote this scripted outcome that required several million politicians, lawyers, judges and party officials to, ah, "overlook" Obama's published "confession" that his father wasn't an American citizen?

And who paid for it?

And why did absolutely everybody among these several millions agree to participate in this conspiracy?

And, finally, why has absolutely nobody come forward to admit to this grand conspiracy?

Sorry. Conspiracies consisting of several million people are beyond rare. They simply don't exist.

85 posted on 05/06/2011 10:42:37 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Natural law doesn’t need no stinking legal statute. A child born in a nation of citizen parents is a natural born citizen, period. There is no question about citizenship, not need for a legal definition and thus no legal statute.

So, natural born citizen is an eligibility requirement to be President per Article II of the U.S. Constitution. One must only meet the ‘citizen’ criteria to be a Representative of the House, or a Senator, but to be President you shall be a natural born citizen.

Vattel’s book was present at the writing of the Constitution, we know that from witnesses at the event, and the book is even mentioned in Article I!

Legal statutes exist concerning other births and who is a citizen: foreign national parents, in the U.S. legally, with a child born in the U.S. = native born citizenship; U.S. parents of a child born overseas = derived citizenship; A foreign national who becomes a U.S. citizen = naturalized citizenship.

Citizenship (the definitions of citizenship per our government) can be found at the following link:

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

As to Lynch V. Clark, you can shove it up the proverbial dark spot! The Socialists have been trying to undermine our Constitution for decades. With Obama, they’ve succeeded - for now.


86 posted on 05/06/2011 10:43:36 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: iowamark

I wish they would. If not, come on up Bobby and Marco. At least I think I know they aren’t of the Marxist persuasion. Not bad to look at either.


87 posted on 05/06/2011 10:44:18 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Squawk 8888; All
Actually, it sounds like his bill doesn’t address the NBC issue; he is looking stop the “anchor baby” phenomenon by denying citizenship to people born on US soil whose parents are not legal residents. Having not studied the details of the bill, I am prepared to stand corrected.

You're confusing them with facts. The commenters are befuddled and beset by their own tin foil theories.

If I were a betting person, and I'm not, I believe SCOTUS would decide only three classes do not fall under Natural Born Citizen: 1. those having formally renounced U.S. citizenship 2. those naturalized 3. those never citizens.

I'm not saying it's where I might draw the line, or necessarily where the Founders intended to, but I think it's where SCOTUS would set the standard if the question ever reached them.

I believe this court would affirm Jindal and Rubio as qualified.

However, as you point out, Vitter's bill has NO baring on eligibility for POTUS or VPOTUS. It's about the culture of anchor babies and birth tourism. From the article, it sounds like a bill worthy of consideration.

88 posted on 05/06/2011 10:45:15 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: machogirl
I appreciate the smiley, but not only have I looked, but the following definition is what I was taught and have thought for all my 59 years
A naturalized citizen is a foreign national who is granted citizenship in the United States after fulfilling certain requirements. In addition to the United States, many other nations offer naturalization to people who wish to apply for citizenship. The naturalization laws for various countries are typically available through their departments of immigration.

There are two basic categories of United States citizens. A natural citizen is someone born in the United States or born to American parents on foreign soil. A naturalized citizen is someone who was born in a foreign country, but took a series of steps with the end goal of being granted citizenship

Following the Constitution, that means Arnold (naturalized citizen) can be a governor or senator or anything in government except President.

It also means Bobby's good to go.

89 posted on 05/06/2011 10:46:07 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: SatinDoll

I agree. I’m not a legal scholar, but I took Law Classes and I have read the Constitution, the case sitings listed on FR, and Vattel.

Barry has done enough to ruin the country. I’d like to see him removed or not elected again based on that. But I’d also like to see some kind of state elections laws stating that to be on the ballot, you have to prove you are eligible. Heck, my kids had to prove that for Little League and Cheerleading.


90 posted on 05/06/2011 10:47:51 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: eddie willers

:), but, why the distinction in the Constitution? Natural Citizen vs Natural Born Citizen.


91 posted on 05/06/2011 10:49:03 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

IMHO, this issue, despite how I think it to be valid, has already been decided by the non-action of the Judges. They don’t want to mess with it.


92 posted on 05/06/2011 10:51:23 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl
You can bet that if he ever does seek the office of president or vice president the democrats and media will challenge his eligibility to hold the office. They will do this without hesitation and without the slightest hint of embarrassment.
93 posted on 05/06/2011 10:52:12 PM PDT by etcb
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To: okie01

Okey, I’m no tin hatter. One has to only look as far as the voter fraud in Minnesota to see scripted outcomes. I didn’t believe him to be an NBC when he was the nominee. I know I’m not alone. But what can one do. I voted and not for him.


94 posted on 05/06/2011 10:54:19 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

It doesn’t. I don’t know where you are getting you information


95 posted on 05/06/2011 10:54:23 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: etcb

You are probably right. Amazing the hypocrites the MSM are. I have NO confidence in almost all of them. One time, long ago, when I delivered newspapers like any kid of the 70’s, being a journalist was a respectful position. Now, I don’t think so. Not for most of what passes as journalism. The embarrassment that passes as a newspaper in Phoenix, the Arizona Republic is one example. One I have personal experience with.


96 posted on 05/06/2011 10:57:30 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

I understand a lot of people here feel very strongly about this, but it’s a dead horse. The legislature and the courts won’t touch it. There’s no legal block to McCain, Obama or Jindal running for President in 2012. Just throwing that out there.


97 posted on 05/06/2011 10:58:32 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Smokeyblue

He also can’t do his math. Feb. 1 to June 10 is just a little over four months, not six.


98 posted on 05/06/2011 11:01:37 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: iowamark; All
Less than 100 years ago we had the 1916 election of Charles Evans Hughes (R) vs Woodrow Wilson (D). Hughes' father was a Brit as well.

Hughes, Goldwater and McCain don't really matter. They didn't win.

The parties are not the infallible determiners of eligibility but it is worth noting Republicans have run presidential candidates who don't fit the most strict "birther" claims of NBC: two citizen parents at time of birth.

Hell, Hughes was a former SCOTUS Justice when he ran! Later he returned to the court as Chief Justice.

Interestingly enough, a Democrat lawyer did write a piece arguing Hughes did not meet NBC qualification. My point is, both parties are hypocrites for dredging the eligibility up only when it suits their advantage.

Now if Obama acted to take on other citizenship, that is something fresh to look at but I haven't seen credible evidence.

I support eligibility bills to prevent future candidates from playing the games Obama has.

99 posted on 05/06/2011 11:03:38 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: eddie willers

It doesn’t?

Article 2 - The Executive Branch
Section 1 - The President

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The fourteenth Amendment uses only the word citizen. Court cases decided definition of citizen but not NBC.


100 posted on 05/06/2011 11:06:17 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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