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Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years (9/11/2009)
Dail Mail UK ^ | 9/11/2009

Posted on 05/08/2011 1:45:17 AM PDT by Jim 726

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This new offensive is, of course, based on the premise that the 9/11 terrorist is alive. After all, there are the plethora of 'Bin Laden tapes' to prove it.

Yet what if he isn't? What if he has been dead for years, and the British and U.S. intelligence services are actually playing a game of double bluff?

What if everything we have seen or heard of him on video and audio tapes since the early days after 9/11 is a fake - and that he is being kept 'alive' by the Western allies to stir up support for the war on terror?

Incredibly, this is the breathtaking theory that is gaining credence among political commentators, respected academics and even terror experts.

Of course, there have been any number of conspiracy theories concerning 9/11, and it could be this is just another one.

But the weight of opinion now swinging behind the possibility that Bin Laden is dead - and the accumulating evidence that supports it - makes the notion, at the very least, worthy of examination.

The theory first received an airing in the American Spectator magazine earlier this year when former U.S. foreign intelligence officer and senior editor Angelo M. Codevilla, a professor of international relations at Boston University, stated bluntly: 'All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seven-years--U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html#ixzz1LkHcBAuF

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; binladendead; conspiracynuts; obama; wot
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Video taken two months later:


1 posted on 05/08/2011 1:45:21 AM PDT by Jim 726
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To: All

More George Nory and pink Unicorns and such.


2 posted on 05/08/2011 2:00:28 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Jim 726

Bin Laden died when Elvis died


3 posted on 05/08/2011 2:03:10 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Jim 726

Osama bin Laden = Emmanuel Goldstein


4 posted on 05/08/2011 2:03:18 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Jim 726

Per the real life Jack Ryan, based on the Tom Clancy Books, Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik says OBL has been dead for a long time. Said OBL was sick and was dying in 2001.


5 posted on 05/08/2011 2:05:31 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Jim 726
Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years

No, but he probably smelled like it.

6 posted on 05/08/2011 2:07:38 AM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a long history of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: Jim 726

With information like this, is it any wonder Bush couldn’t “bring him to Justice”?


7 posted on 05/08/2011 2:14:26 AM PDT by Does so (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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To: Jim 726; MestaMachine

Bingo. Finally someone is getting the picture, roughly.

Zawahiri did the honors in late 2005. His statement is up here:

http://www.junipersec.com/cyber.htm

Last thing on the page under the title “Long memory exercise”.

If you’re very lucky, the analysis that vent to ...... at that point may be posted on TM.


8 posted on 05/08/2011 2:24:54 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade; Jim 726; MestaMachine; All

What Zawahiri did here was basically to deliver an eulogy and instruct his followers.

There was a very detailed analysis worked out and delivered to the right point.

Roughly six months later there was a confirm from a small Pak newspaper (which I forget the name of) that Osama had died earlier from wounds sustained in a firefight.


9 posted on 05/08/2011 2:57:33 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Jim 726

Back on Dec. 26, 2001 it was reported by FauxNews the OBL had died of a lung ailment.


10 posted on 05/08/2011 3:14:55 AM PDT by rambo316
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To: Sprite518

Wow, well if there’s a character based on him then he must be credible!


11 posted on 05/08/2011 3:22:46 AM PDT by RDAardvark (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Jim 726

This is just a distorted picture due to the conversion from PAL video format to NTSB. That is OBL. Yet idiot conspiracy theorists keep bringing it up as if it weren't debunked years ago. Knock it off.

12 posted on 05/08/2011 3:26:56 AM PDT by RDAardvark (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: RDAardvark

You are a moron. That picture has no significance whatsoever :). To get a grip, consult Krawetz for the myriad fake tapes, and compare the hands and skull shape of the stand-in used late in the period of fakes using an actual live person.

Hint: his hands are normal shape, while OBL’s hands were extraordinarily long and slender. Like bloody squids.

You cannot change your hand shape, or your head shape. You know anything about biometrics??


13 posted on 05/08/2011 3:41:29 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: rbmillerjr
“Of course, there have been any number of conspiracy theories concerning 9/11, and it could be this is just another one.”

I think we need expert opinion on this, anyone have Jesse Ventura’s phone number?

14 posted on 05/08/2011 3:41:32 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Jim 726

Rush Limbaugh maintains his belief in “an extremely credible source” who told him that within 10 minutes of sighting ObL on a mountain trail in Tora Bora the entire area was set afire by air attack. The source is 100% positive that ObL was terminated on the spot in 2002.

I don’t know what to think. I’ve seen no evidence yet for any hypothesis.


15 posted on 05/08/2011 4:20:59 AM PDT by Gumption
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To: Sprite518

Not sure what to make of Pieczenik? He has a serious resume and his rep appears to be very solid.


16 posted on 05/08/2011 4:28:31 AM PDT by dmam2011
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To: Jim 726

I believed him to be long dead but my potential theory is that we’ve been using him for intell gathering purposes for several years.

If true, Obama may have hurt us more than helped us. As it is, Pakistan is likely to fall to the most radical faction.


17 posted on 05/08/2011 4:38:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: rbmillerjr
Yeah I guess our Navy Seals are in on the conspiracy too. Seems FR has turned into one big conspiracy forum. Birthers, Deathers,,,folks who think Elvis is still alive. It's to bad.
18 posted on 05/08/2011 4:45:50 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Sprite518

So President Barack Obama has announced that terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden was killed yesterday by a U.S. strike in Pakistan. The question now is…do you believe it?

Just weeks after Obama announced that he will run for a second term as president, his “long form” birth certificate magically appears, and now Osama bin Laden is dead.

It’s interesting that we never got to see his body and that now he’s been “buried at sea,” isn’t it?

How do we know that he wasn’t dead already?

http://www.blippitt.com/benazir-bhutto-osama-bin-laden-was-killed-years-ago-video


19 posted on 05/08/2011 4:49:56 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Blackirish

You’ve heard it from the Navy Seals? When, where?


20 posted on 05/08/2011 4:57:29 AM PDT by Gumption
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To: Gumption
Pretty good article on a Navy Seal getting texs from his pals that OBL was killed in yesterdays Wall Street Journal...but I spose the WSJ is in on it too.

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html

21 posted on 05/08/2011 5:10:01 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Gumption

If you notice, no military head honchos have come out on this...where are all of those military press briefings we use to have.
Meanwhile..here is an odd twitter:

megneverlands Meg
The Fox News ticker is saying Osama bin Laden is dead. No breaking news & no other channels reporting. How odd.
28 Apr

http://twitter.com/#!/megneverlands


22 posted on 05/08/2011 5:22:21 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: woofie

Bin Laden is Elvis.


23 posted on 05/08/2011 5:29:15 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

24 posted on 05/08/2011 5:33:38 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

A reader points to a death notice for Osama bin Laden placed in Australia's Daily Telegraph newspaper on May 3rd. (Torsten Blackwood/AFP)
25 posted on 05/08/2011 5:34:52 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Hey, let's go take our kid to see Osama's hideout

26 posted on 05/08/2011 5:35:52 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: BradyLS
Serves the same purpose.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

27 posted on 05/08/2011 5:43:05 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The 'Affirmative Action' pResident that destroyed America)
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To: Jim 726

Has anyone heard if they found a dialysis machine in OBL’s lair? He was supposed to have had kidney failure and been on dialysis 8-9 years ago. The media is claiming he never left the house. Not sure how he could have survived this long without access to dialysis......


28 posted on 05/08/2011 5:55:59 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: Jim 726

I have only one point to make...IF bin Laden was already dead since Tora Bora and IF the various governments have been using him as a “boogieman” to justify their military actions (which is believable based on those stupid tape releases),then it would be incumbent on OBAMA, if he wished to end the wars Bush started, to stage the death of bin Laden sometime during his Presidency, preferably at a time when it benefitted him most (birth certificate.) That is all.


29 posted on 05/08/2011 5:58:03 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: ez

Bin had


30 posted on 05/08/2011 5:59:01 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Gumption
I love this!

What have I missed? We need "fill-in-the-blank"-er names for each of these.

31 posted on 05/08/2011 5:59:36 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The 'Affirmative Action' pResident that destroyed America)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
meanwhile, Obambi has a mole that appears and disappears on his face...and apparently a scar on his neck..SOMETIMES

32 posted on 05/08/2011 6:12:31 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Aevery_Freeman
What have I missed? We need "fill-in-the-blank"-er names for each of these.

The National Enquirer said he was living in Panama City, Florida and working at a car wash......

33 posted on 05/08/2011 6:16:22 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: Thermalseeker

An analyst said that his renal disease was a myth.


34 posted on 05/08/2011 6:16:31 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Blackirish
The Seals were given a target to destroy. The target had a physical description and specific location.

This is not the first time teams like this have been sent in to rub out a house full of bad guys jihadis.

The target/targets are given code names along with the particular operations.

The Seals likely weren't even told they were on a mission to kill "Bin Laden". There was no need to make them part of a conspiracy. They simply did their job and went home. The civilians at the top took it from there.

The operational levels of our military had no ability to participate in a conspiracy to "kill" Bin Laden (or to kill "Bin Laden" if you understand the difference).

AV

35 posted on 05/08/2011 6:21:12 AM PDT by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: Dr. Ursus
An analyst said that his renal disease was a myth.

Oh, well, that clear that issue up then. If an analyst says it is so then it must be true. LOL! Wasn't it an analyst that said he had kidney failure in the first place? LOL!

36 posted on 05/08/2011 6:22:36 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: Thermalseeker

Shooting the messenger-par for the course around here.


37 posted on 05/08/2011 6:26:02 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: BradyLS

Excellent point, thanks.


38 posted on 05/08/2011 6:27:57 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: ez

That’s exactly what I said last week. Not a single GOP official from Bush’s admin would challenge Obama’s credit because it would expose a WoT lie.


39 posted on 05/08/2011 6:31:16 AM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: Dr. Ursus
Shooting the messenger-par for the course around here.

Happens to me all the time. Like when you just did it to me......

40 posted on 05/08/2011 6:32:09 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: Blackirish
It is too bad. FR is single-handedly driving up the price of tin-foil.

I'm sorry (not really)....deathers are nuts. If Omama wanted to fake it....he is about 15 mo. too early. This would be awful strategy...and that is something he doesn't stink at.

41 posted on 05/08/2011 6:35:14 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Thermalseeker

Okay,LOL,LOL-Now,we’re even. Have a nice day.


42 posted on 05/08/2011 6:37:03 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Thermalseeker

on dialysis 8-9 years ago.

BINGO

After four or five years on dialysis the veins shut down.

In my opinion OBL was either killed at Tora Bora or died long ago from his kidney failure.


43 posted on 05/08/2011 6:41:16 AM PDT by chainsaw ("The government cannot give to anyone anything that it does not first take from someone else.")
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To: Blackirish
Elvis is dead. I've still got the shovel.

OBL is dead (not sure when).

Obama is not an NBC - and I am sure of that based upon his testimony.

44 posted on 05/08/2011 6:46:11 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Ladies and Gentlemen the _resident of the untied States!!)
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To: NELSON111

If Omama wanted to fake it....he is about 15 mo. too early. This would be awful strategy...

The timing was about right. The birthers and the media were getting to him big time. Evidence the phony BC that he released. When that didn’t do the job he had to have another divergence.

Now hopefully we can get back to the business at hand and see his real birth certificate. (If he has one.)


45 posted on 05/08/2011 6:49:59 AM PDT by chainsaw ("The government cannot give to anyone anything that it does not first take from someone else.")
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To: rintense

I always thought those bin Laden video releases looked fake as hell and then they would make a big deal out of proclaiming them to be “authentic.” But the way they kept throwing current events into his rant, it was like they were trying to hard to make it seem real.


46 posted on 05/08/2011 7:00:00 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Blackirish

Lol. If you’re a rogue president, you can use the Seals for whatever you want, including lies. They *can’t* correct you.


47 posted on 05/08/2011 7:25:42 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Blackirish

Why don’t you people learn what a first source is?

If someone sent me a text praising the moon landings, does that mean I walked on the moon?


48 posted on 05/08/2011 7:28:49 AM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: Jim 726
Bin Laden has been dead since Tora Bora. No doubt in my mind.

You'll never see pix of the May 1 version until they have been substantially doctored (like BHO's BC).

No, I think the pictures released last week served a different purpose for a different audience. Somebody in Pakistan recognizes the bodies of the guys who were off'd. We just don't know the significance of it yet.

Pakistan now plays the mea culpa game, slapped silly with international embarrassment, but they still have to play along with the story line if they hope to have the $3B/year gravy train coming in.

What if the guys who were off'd were actually the real guys behind the Mumbai bombing, and India wanted globally broadcast evidence to those involved that they too will be squashed in time? Just a theory. A message was sent to someone -- that is an undeniable fact.

We are hearing about a wife of Bin Laden's who is shot in the leg. Where is she? Does any one of those bobble-heads at ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/Fox speak Pashtun well enough to interview this name-less face-less person -- or will we just listen to the News-Speak and take it all in uncritically?

FReegards!


49 posted on 05/08/2011 7:29:57 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon

Not since Tora Bora, but somewhat after.

Zawahiri came out with his statement in August 2005. That would have been after the muslim mourning period, which is what? Three months??

That gives us may/jun 2005. Which goes completely with the Pak newspaper story I saw.


50 posted on 05/08/2011 8:02:40 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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