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SWAT raid fatal drama is revealed in 911 call
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 5/14/2011 | Fernanda Echavarri

Posted on 05/14/2011 7:04:25 AM PDT by petitfour

The wife of a Tucson man killed in a Pima County SWAT raid May 5 pleaded for five minutes with 911 dispatchers to send an ambulance for her mortally wounded husband, audio records show.

Often through tears and sometimes in broken English, Vanessa Guerena, tells 911 operators that her husband had been shot by a "bunch of people" who opened the door of their southwest-side home and "just shoot him." Meanwhile, dispatchers worked to determine if she was calling from a house where the SWAT team was serving a search warrant, audio released Friday by Drexel Heights Fire Department reveals. It takes about an hour for waiting medics to know what happened, and the man is dead before fire crews are allowed into the home.

Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine, was sleeping after the graveyard shift at Asarco Mission mine about 9:30 a.m. when his wife woke him saying she heard noises outside and a man was at their window. Guerena told his wife to hide in a closet with their 4-year-old son, his wife has said. He grabbed an AR-15 rifle and moments later was slumped in the kitchen, mortally wounded from a hail of gunfire.

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To: petitfour

Pima County Sheriff Dupnik had no problem in leaving Gerald Loughner alone long enough to shoot Gabrielle Giffords. Wonder what he considered important enough to go in with SWAT here?

Other than the fact it *IS* the PCSO so they probably had the wrong address!!!!

Isn’t 930am a bit late for SWAT raids?


51 posted on 05/14/2011 8:27:01 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The last Democrat worth a damn was Stalin. He purged his whole Party.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

They MUST have gotten the wrong house. The cartels are now on our side of the border. I assme the police? were pumped to deal with a mean drug raid and possible shoot out with cartel couriers, users and Mexican muscle? They MUST have gotten the wrong house, and then saw the boy’s AK and hell broke loose. Heartbreak. Sickening.


52 posted on 05/14/2011 8:29:14 AM PDT by RitaOK
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To: VeniVidiVici

I’m assuming the 9:30am time was to avoid the school aged children. Buses pick up children in that neighborhood from about 5:40am until 8:50ish. Then there would be parents who drive their children to school.

This is the South side of town. Loughner was from the white side of town. Not to be racist or anything, but there are attitudes about people based solely on what side of town they’re from.


53 posted on 05/14/2011 8:37:06 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: David Middleton

You Wrote: “Intead of standing up and saying that this was a mistake and we will do our best to never do this again... and to releive the family of stress they duck and hide and come up with a new cover.”

Really? Just saying they will do “our” best to never do it again? That’s it?

How about throwing the judge that issued the “no knock” warrant in jail. Throwing the Judges weeping wife and kids out of his/her nice house, selling everything they own at auction. Same goes for the Sheriff. After all, it’s the Sheriffs shop that did the raid.

Same goes for the grunts on the raid. The shooters get charged with murder one. Then the cops family can go on public assistance and get moved into one of these shiite neighborhoods, so they can in turn be gunned down by the Sheriffs department. That’s sound about right.


54 posted on 05/14/2011 8:45:42 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Then gets 70 shots from a swat team poured into his house! My God.
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All the while his wife and toddler son were in that home.
This just makes me want to vomit. That poor poor baby boy. I cannot imagine the horrific scene that *may* be etched in his head for the rest of his life.
F’ing criminals. All should be prosceuted for MURDER~


55 posted on 05/14/2011 8:53:35 AM PDT by simplesimon (Thomas Paine is weeping. Common sense is gone.)
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To: DariusBane
Be sure the police know to avoid the homes of the prominent politicians.

As long as the SWAT teams only murder average citizens those really in control could care less.

I have NEVER approved of SWAT,just as I have NEVER approved of the 1973 Abortion ruling and its aftermath of death.

The courts may try to tell us it is legal but it is still wrong. The Nazis murdered millions and claimed only to be following lawful orders.

Too bad this vet didn't take out some of the thugs invading his home.You know the law enforcement community will never admit the whole thing was their fault.

56 posted on 05/14/2011 8:55:34 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: petitfour

I am disturbed and upset about a young hero Marine possibly killed by friendly fire under questionable circumstances by Pima County SWAT.

A 26 year-old former Marine Jose Guerena is dead, was it righteous or criminal? Lets check the current info available from Pima County Sheriff’s spokesman, and media quotes:

Jose Guerena arrives home from working 12 hour shift at mining job, showers and goes to sleep.

Man has no criminal record other than a couple of traffic tickets.

Two hours later Pima SWAT arrives with sirens and lights on all vehicles at Guerena home to serve warrant. (Wife and locals say no lights or sirens observed) Lights and sirens on? Has any seen that tactic employed on any type of warrant service?

Wife & son see unidentified man pointing gun in window, runs toward bedroom to wake Jose fearing home invasion.
Jose wakes, instructs wife to hide with son in closet, with AR-15 moves toward front door.

Guerena home door breeched. SWAT claims after knocking for 15 seconds and announcing. Wife and locals say no knock, no ID announced. Try knocking for 15 sec and yelling “POLICE”, long time . no one heard or noticed?

SWAT claims fired upon by Guerena upon entry and returned fire, 71 rounds. SWAT recants initial statements. Jose’s weapon was found on safe with round in chamber. First man in stack has accidential discharge (AD) that hits door frame, and he falls back, whole stack opens fire on Guerena. You can clearly see from the videos of the house that most of the 71 shots appear not to hit Guerena, poor marksmanship or fire discipline. The walls and doorframe are riddled with bullets. Would you want to be the pointman in the door, if you’ve got 4 or 5 quick triggers behind you that’ll spray and pray at the first noise or oddity? SWAT made entry into two other homes to check for possible injuries and damage from rounds that penetrated after exiting the Guerena home.

Wife talks with 911 operator for more than five minutes pleading for help while husband bleeds out and SWAT hangs around outside trying to figure out what happened and what to do next.

SWAT pull wife off phone and out door. Wife claims Jose was still alive. SWAT said he was dead hitting floor. 1 hour and 15 minutes to “clear” house before SWAT allows an ambulance crew in?

Wife not served with warrant, warrant and files sealed after the fact. When did sealing the warrant after attempted service become procedure?

Post entry/shooting investigation being conducted Pima County Sheriff’s Office. Why not let AZ State Police investigate with all conflicting statements.

This needs to stay at top of stack. Righteous or wrong all the facts need to be out on the table .


57 posted on 05/14/2011 9:00:01 AM PDT by LowNslow (Retired CWO)
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To: petitfour

ping


58 posted on 05/14/2011 9:07:28 AM PDT by FoxPro
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To: petitfour

59 posted on 05/14/2011 9:09:08 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: petitfour
SWAT and BATFE are both the same class of low-life, low-IQ thugs who think they're heroes in an action-movie and can do anything they want.

And they can do anything they want.

Nothing will happen to any of these worms, other than promotions and raises.

60 posted on 05/14/2011 9:10:08 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: petitfour
The Pima County Sheriff's Department has provided no details about the investigation that prompted the raid and little information about the moments leading up to 71 gunshots being fired at Guerena, whose gun had the safety on. He was shot 60 times, doctors told the family. Initially the Sheriff's Department said Guerena fired at officers, but they retracted that this week.
61 posted on 05/14/2011 9:10:14 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: LowNslow

Isn’t this, Pima Co., the LIBERAL county that wants to secede from Arizona and become the 51st state of the USA? They want to call themselves Bahia???


62 posted on 05/14/2011 9:11:05 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: driftdiver

Yep! You are right! Cops can do no wrong! We common citizens are idiots!


63 posted on 05/14/2011 9:11:46 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: SgtHooper

I agree with you completely, but unfortunately the union is defending the bad cops more and more, so we are not getting rid of the bad cops. And the brass goes along with the union.


64 posted on 05/14/2011 9:14:29 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: LowNslow

Thge article sayd he was hit 60 times out of 71 bullets fired.


65 posted on 05/14/2011 9:20:06 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Neidermeyer

A long, long, long time after hell freezes over, my FRiend.As I posted before, this raid causes two things to happen:1. It makes decent people sick. 2. It gives the bootlickers an orgasm. It was a murder pure and simple and only the Good Lord saved more innocents from being murdered.


66 posted on 05/14/2011 9:20:46 AM PDT by sport
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To: petitfour

My question is why didn’t they just surround the house, get on a loudspeaker, and demand the occupants to come out with their hands on their heads, firing teargas as a last resort


67 posted on 05/14/2011 9:24:51 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: petitfour

From conservativeunderground.com:

“New details are emerging about Jose Guerena, the man killed last Thursday in a SWAT incident at his Tucson home. He was gunned down by SWAT members while his wife and young child hid in a closet.

Now, the Pima County Sheriff’s Department has taken responsibility for the fatal shooting. The SWAT team said it was just executing a narcotics search warrant when Guerena threatened officers with a military rifle. But the Sheriff’s Department has changed its story on whether Guerena actually fired at anyone.

Now, Pima County Sheriff’s officials are refuting original claims that Guerena fired at the SWAT members. In fact, they confirmed his safety was still on when his gun was recovered. Also, officials said that reports that some SWAT officers’ shields were riddled with bullets are also untrue.”

http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=40098


68 posted on 05/14/2011 9:28:56 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Family of Tucson man killed by SWAT hires high profile attorney

http://www.kgun9.com/story/14629449/family-of-tucson-man-killed-by-swat-hires-attorney


69 posted on 05/14/2011 9:32:28 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: DariusBane

I agree. Trying to be moderate. Have too much experience on these matters from the side of LEO. A shaking of head is the best I can offer. My tagline says it. More upset than you can imagine over this Man that died. If they are going to go politics on us they can at least claim fault. Then let the courts take care of all the people involved. Including as you say the judge that obviously did not look at what he did sign. We are dealing with Dup down there.


70 posted on 05/14/2011 9:36:43 AM PDT by David Middleton (Only when enough sadness is caused will we say enough is enough. So when is that?)
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To: org.whodat
I seriously doubt that they will be prosecuted. Promoted? Yes. Now, the guy,s widow is a horse of a different color. look for her to be charged with something as soon as they can trump up a charge. And also do not be surprised if she is shot and killed "while resisting arrest".

As far as being sued goes, I believe that Soverign Immunity protects them as long as they were acting in "line of duty".

Recall several years ago when a good number of those on this forum, not only bootlickers, got their panties in a wad because the police in different jurisdictions made mistakes? or omission on warrants and some individuals had to be released? Their reasoning was "As long as the Officer was acting in good faith", the warrant, mistakes?/omissions and all should stand.

Well, the SWAT team will maintain that they were acting in good faith.

71 posted on 05/14/2011 9:39:08 AM PDT by sport
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To: rawhide

Here is the man's grieving wife. Also he has two sons, the older one was probably at school.

72 posted on 05/14/2011 9:41:43 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Truth29
The basis was because they could and the cops requested it.

The reason was to get their lies to match what wern down.

The fact is that they murdered the poor guy.

73 posted on 05/14/2011 9:42:29 AM PDT by sport
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To: DariusBane

“We have an institutional problem.”

Agree wholeheartedly!! In instances where the judge issues the search warrant, it is not the fault of the judge if the storm troopers screw up the address. We cannot have judges being sued as that crowbar the justice system entirely based on legit and bogus lawsuits (primarily the latter). Judges can be removed by other means already in place.

But we should go after the police IN CHARGE that allowed this to occur. The massive hail of bullets (whether at the wrong address or not) is nonsense. This is criminal negligence and they should be hung at the nearest tree.


74 posted on 05/14/2011 9:45:15 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper

You are correct. but, we need the help of the decent ones to get rid of the rotten ones. And we are seeing less and less of that.


75 posted on 05/14/2011 9:45:18 AM PDT by sport
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To: SgtHooper

Whoa! Hold on boss. They didn’t screw up the address on the warrant.

You know how you get a warrant...? Just ask... That’ it.

Judges must be held personally and criminally responsible for their actions. That way they will actually do their job. Not just issue warrants when their buddy at the D.A.’s office asks for one.

Criminal and civil responsibility for screw ups. If society wont do that then what are we left with? Tar and feathers and a noose. I think due process is the better choice don’t you? But with no recourse...


76 posted on 05/14/2011 9:51:43 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: RitaOK

According to the facts, it was a AR15 which is the civillian equivelent of a military M16. Entirely different animal in looks as well of performance, to say nothing of cost than an AK.


77 posted on 05/14/2011 9:56:34 AM PDT by sport
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To: DariusBane

I look at the police now no different than taxpayer financed street gangs and roving bands of thieves.

I grew up w many who became cops and to a tee they are powr mad psychos worse than any gang member you will ever meet.

Police of today do not warrant or deserve respect. They command respect solely based on their ability to ruin your life in a million different ways.

Where I live these thugs pull down huge salaries and insane pensions and benes. Its disgusting.


78 posted on 05/14/2011 9:58:13 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: DariusBane

Its has my vote.


79 posted on 05/14/2011 9:58:21 AM PDT by sport
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To: DariusBane

“I think due process is the better choice don’t you? But with no recourse...”

I will not argue with that! It seems that the need for a civilian militia is becoming a reality not only to fight crime but to react to overzealous police and the justice system. I take mental notes on these sorts of things, and I cannot deny that there is a trend not only in the increase in crime and lawlessness, but also the mistreatment of citizens by police. I do not see it getting better anytime soon.


80 posted on 05/14/2011 10:21:36 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper
...But please don’t paint all cops with such a broad brush. Get the bad ones out, and praise the good cops.

"Good cops?"

If there was such a thing, one would have to conclude that there had to be at least ONE on the team that conducted this attack, and I sure as hell don't see him speaking up on what happened.

So, this hypothetical "good" cop is laying low and keeping his mouth shut to protect his buddies from the prosecution they so richly deserve. Covering for the bad guys makes him one of them.

And since this is the good Democrat Dupnik's jurisdiction, there is absolutely zer0 chance of any investigation by the Holder Justice Department... just like the new Black Panther case. An investigation should take place on which PCSO Officer the victim had perhaps unknowingly "dissed" by not showing the proper deference that a subject should show to our "masters". This reeks of an execution.

81 posted on 05/14/2011 10:25:37 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when WAY OVER half the population is happy being sheep.)
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To: Grunthor
Every member of that SWAT team belongs behind bars until their date with the needle.

One hundred percent agreed.

82 posted on 05/14/2011 10:33:06 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: petitfour

From:

http://www.kgun9.com/story/14621212/marine-killed-by-swat-was-acting-in-defense-says-family

The officer said that when the SWAT team got the door open, they found Guerena crouched in the hall pointing an assault rifle at them. According to O’Connor, Guerena said, “”I have something for you!” He said that Guerena “brought this all on himself by presenting himself the way he did.”

Guerena’s relatives disagree. “Now, they’re saying this now that they admitted for him not shooting back (SIC). They want to throw more dirt on him,” said cousin Oscar Garcia.


83 posted on 05/14/2011 10:36:07 AM PDT by FoxPro
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To: PalmettoMason

My “good cops” comment was meant for all officers in this country, not just in this case. It is way too early yet, but I bet the “good cop(s)”, if any there, are quite uneasy about now. Once the suit begins, there will be those that crack, imho. I cannot believe that all involved were given the full extent of the facts. But, the supers should be sued and fried over this. Now, that this is Stupnick’s jurisdiction makes it even more interesting.


84 posted on 05/14/2011 10:39:12 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: PalmettoMason

Dupnik used-up all his political capital in defending his department against charges they did next do nothing in the Giffords case in addition to blaming Republicans for it.

Very odd if he’s not yet made a statement about this. Even if only a “full investigation” statement.

I bet the bonehead resigns in the next few weeks.


85 posted on 05/14/2011 10:39:26 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The last Democrat worth a damn was Stalin. He purged his whole Party.)
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To: petitfour
Drug War Whores have blood on their hands.
86 posted on 05/14/2011 10:41:11 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: SgtHooper
But, the supers should be sued and fried over this.

What about those who executed the raid?

87 posted on 05/14/2011 10:44:20 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: SgtHooper

I agree that there are good people and bad people who work as cops, just as there are all kinds of people in every line or work. I’ve seen video where cops went to great lengths and put themselves in considerable danger in order to avoid using lethal force against an armed man. Dozens of police officers get shot and killed in cold blood every year while making traffic stops and serving warrants. An officer was gunned down and killed by an illegal immigrant in a town near me a few years ago while making a routine traffic stop. It’s a very dangerous job.

I agree with the poster who said this is an institutional problem. The cops clearly did not use the right procedure to serve this warrant. I get the sense that the cops knew this man was probably armed, which is why they sent a SWAT team to serve the warrant. It looks like the SWAT team was much too impatient and broke his door down way too soon when they should have given the man at least an hour to surrender peacefully. I have no idea why they shot this poor man 60 times. That is just bizarre and sadistic. Something about this whole raid is strange and doesn’t add up. I’m thinking about it and trying to find a theory for what really happened here.


88 posted on 05/14/2011 11:03:19 AM PDT by socialism_stinX (Why did California go bankrupt?...because of unfunded mandates, medicaid, and illegal immigration.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

And on the other hand, what is their response time when citizens need them? Well, why don’t we ask Gabrielle Giffords?


89 posted on 05/14/2011 11:21:36 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: nagdt
Why was a warrant issued?

Don't know for sure but it is not unusual for a street drug bust to net some hapless junkie low level dealer. Cops and DA lean on him hard with promises of reduced or no sentence if they 'roll over' on their supplier. Junkie is scared $#!tless and screws up the address which the cops jump on without verifying. Presto, another urban disaster.

Regards,
GtG

90 posted on 05/14/2011 11:38:01 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: SgtHooper
This is criminal negligence and they should be hung at the nearest tree.

Pretty much the same thing someone else just said this morning about this disgusting abuse of the badge.

91 posted on 05/14/2011 11:48:03 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: SgtHooper
... there is a trend not only in the increase in crime and lawlessness, but also the mistreatment of citizens by police. I do not see it getting better anytime soon.

Emphasis mine. So chilling. Wasn't it in the same general area that the Anapolis veteran was gunned down by LEO in front of a Costco? Those thugs have remained unpunished, as far as I know.

92 posted on 05/14/2011 11:55:07 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: petitfour
these police ‘SWAT’ teams have all their special weapons and gear but they seem to be too damn stupid to utilize them in any useful way. Citizens would be well served to defund these units and use the money to put more COPS on the beat. A regional SWAT team that was properly trained and called upon in the rare occasions when actually needed would be much better than all the local police departments having these special units that are under trained and used in instances where a lower profile approach would be safer and more effective than these clowns acting out their military special ops fantasies while kicking in doors and abusing citizens.
93 posted on 05/14/2011 12:13:49 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Finny

As an FYI, one of the cops involved in that shooting has been indicted for giving a firearm to a convicted felon.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2719718/posts (FR thread from today)


94 posted on 05/14/2011 12:56:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

That those guys weren’t held accountable and kicked out of law enforcement is beyond my ken.


95 posted on 05/14/2011 1:38:45 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: socialism_stinX
Something about this whole raid is strange and doesn’t add up. I’m thinking about it and trying to find a theory for what really happened here.

.... what if you were a big politician and you wanted to get rid of Sheriff Dupnick?

How better than to have something he is responsible for go terribly wrong?

96 posted on 05/14/2011 2:21:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: FoxPro
Guerena crouched in the hall pointing an assault rifle

He is a former marine who has seen action. If he really wanted to do something, some of them would have already bought the farm. That fact that he had not fired a single bullet says something.

97 posted on 05/14/2011 4:45:37 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: FoxPro
Guerena crouched in the hall pointing an assault rifle

He was a former marine who has seen action. If he really wanted to do something, some of them would have already bought the farm. That fact that he had not fired a single bullet says something.

98 posted on 05/14/2011 4:45:57 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: petitfour; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ...
CW2 Ping


99 posted on 05/14/2011 4:50:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is on Kindle)
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To: petitfour
The Sheriff is Clarence Dupnik, the corrupt whore who blamed the Congresswomen Gifford shooting on talk radio. Dupnik may be following the Napolitano theory that the greatest domestic terrorism threat comes from Iraq/Afghanistan veterans. Arizona has a large veteran population with strong veteran organizations. I hope they demand indictments of these trigger happy halfwits.
100 posted on 05/14/2011 4:56:02 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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