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Nordyke numbers expose Obama document fraud?
World Net Daily ^ | May 16, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/16/2011 7:39:44 PM PDT by conservativegramma

NEW YORK – Newly unearthed information about Hawaii's procedure for numbering birth records at the time Barack Obama was born casts further doubt on the authenticity of the short-form and long-form birth certificates published online with the president's authority.

Details about the registration procedure are significant, because some analysts have wondered how Obama could have been issued a registration number that is higher than the numbers of the published birth certificates of Susan and Gretchen Nordyke, which were registered three days later than the president's. But a 1955 article by Charles Bennett, Hawaii's registrar general in 1961, and George Tokuyama, chief of the registration and records section for the state's Department of Health, stated birth certificates were numbered immediately upon acceptance by the registrar-general.

When the local registrar was satisfied the birth certificate was complete, the registrar-general filed it by placing the filing date on the birth certificate and assigning it a number.

The date was recorded by an ink stamp that manually adjusted the date in the format month-day-year.

The certificate number appears to be applied with a Bates numbering stamp that advanced automatically by one number each time the stamp was used.

Bennett's and Tokuyama's description of this procedure shows that birth certificates were numbered upon acceptance by the registrar-general, and there was no provision that would allow an accepted birth certificate to be put in a pile for three days before a number was stamped on it.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certificate; certifigate; corsi; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; nordyke; obama; thistimeforsure; wnd
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So much for the troll defense of it just got stacked in a bunch of papers BS. Nevertheless here come the trolls in 1, 2, 3,.........
1 posted on 05/16/2011 7:39:50 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks conservativegramma.
...some analysts have wondered how Obama could have been issued a registration number that is higher than the numbers of the published birth certificates of Susan and Gretchen Nordyke, which were registered three days later than the president's. But a 1955 article by Charles Bennett, Hawaii's registrar general in 1961, and George Tokuyama, chief of the registration and records section for the state's Department of Health, stated birth certificates were numbered immediately upon acceptance by the registrar-general.

2 posted on 05/16/2011 7:43:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: conservativegramma

“I’m going to be telling the entire world about this scandal over the next few weeks,” said Corsi. “This is going to make Watergate look like a political sideshow by comparison.”

Read more: It’s out! The book that proves Obama’s ineligible http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=299345#ixzz1MZaxuvB4


3 posted on 05/16/2011 7:43:25 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: conservativegramma; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2720637/posts?page=20#20

From Billy Ayres himself...

“We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart, and the best source of those were dead-baby birth certificates.”


4 posted on 05/16/2011 7:47:07 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: conservativegramma

5 posted on 05/16/2011 7:50:20 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Post 4.

NO WAY!


6 posted on 05/16/2011 7:53:04 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: JoeProBono

Sold...on eBay apparently.


7 posted on 05/16/2011 7:54:06 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: CommieCutter

WAY!!!


8 posted on 05/16/2011 7:56:06 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Well he’s going all in on this...he must have something. If not, might be a good time to think about exile.


9 posted on 05/16/2011 7:56:17 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: conservativegramma

If I recall correctly, at the time Hawaii allowed residents to come in a brief time later (as much as a couple weeks) an get their child registered. It had to do with living in a different age (they’re not as picky as today) and transportation to/from the outlying islands. So in effect anyone could walk in off the street and register their 2 week old baby.

Anyone who could afford a plane ticket could get a Hawaiian CLB and US citizenship.


10 posted on 05/16/2011 7:56:22 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

This just keeps building doesn’t it? The only reason to still be defending this bum is because you’re a traitor. Troll doesn’t even do it justice anymore...out and out treason IMO.


11 posted on 05/16/2011 7:56:26 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Post 8

NO WAY!!

:-)


12 posted on 05/16/2011 7:56:53 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: CommieCutter

Attention-Whores, Moles, And More~The Thief

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/attention-whores-moles-and-morethe-thief/


13 posted on 05/16/2011 7:57:33 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Well, the media and the Obots continue to call us crackpots, and doing there best to push it off the screen.
They are jumping up and down to claim it is why
Trump has backed out, after their calling him a fool as a birther.
They are also doing everything in their power to depress
sales of Corsi’s book.

The REAL fools are those that see no problems with the
Obambie birth story, and highly questionable documents.


14 posted on 05/16/2011 7:57:49 PM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
“I’m going to be telling the entire world about this scandal over the next few weeks,” said Corsi. “This is going to make Watergate look like a political sideshow by comparison.”

LOL. It'll be Watergate on steroids on WND and maybe a few conspiracy blogs, but nowhere else.

Corsi and WND (Farah) had their worst nightmare come true when Hussein released his long form BC just days before this book was to be released. Yes, I know there are some people who believe the BC's are fake, but either way events conspired to really put a dent in Corsi's book sales and traffic to WND.

15 posted on 05/16/2011 7:58:11 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: CommieCutter

Well he’s going all in on this...he must have something. If not, might be a good time to think about exile.


Maybe that’s why he needed some time to think about it before greenlighting the raid on Osama...it may portend the future of a fugitive Obama?


16 posted on 05/16/2011 7:59:53 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I saw that today. I think you posted it in fact. The Ayers quotes is the part that lit the fire in my rear..


17 posted on 05/16/2011 7:59:56 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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The article ignores the obvious. The cert wasn’t issued by the hospital, but was a special case. It was delivered to a different local office than the hospital certs. The certs were batched in when there were enough in the stack. Therefore the local registar let it sit for three days before batching it in. What the cert number really proves is that he wasn’t born in the hospital.


18 posted on 05/16/2011 8:00:04 PM PDT by webboy45
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I was talking about Corsi.

I can’t see them doing it to Obama, who knows. Finally, I’ve been waiting for the gloves to come off on this.

Really sick of this “It’s dead Jim” quotes on here for the past 2 weeks.


19 posted on 05/16/2011 8:02:28 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

We went to Barnes and Noble today but they told us Corsi’s new book will not be on the shelves til tomorrow morning. I’m going to try to get up and get moving early and snag one.


20 posted on 05/16/2011 8:02:42 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: LucyT

Ping to this thread then link at #4 posting.


21 posted on 05/16/2011 8:03:08 PM PDT by Spunky (Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue.)
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To: conservativegramma; All

This just keeps building doesn’t it? The only reason to still be defending this bum is because you’re a traitor. Troll doesn’t even do it justice anymore...out and out treason IMO.


Not only traitor, but prime operative in CRIME INC. Where did all of our TARP and stimulus money go? Is it all accounted for???


22 posted on 05/16/2011 8:03:27 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: CommieCutter
Well he’s going all in on this...he must have something. If not, might be a good time to think about exile.

Trump went all in to. He even claimed his BC investigators were finding "amazing" things that they "couldn't believe they were finding".

Where is all this amazing stuff? Trump didn't even so much as bother to follow up or release anything. This is because he had squat and it's a good bet Corsi has nothing new or significant either.

Hussein will not be defeated by birther stuff. The only way to run Obama out of the White House is to focus on the economy and remind the public what a horrible President he is. Birth certificate conspiracies will not even be part of the 2012 discussion.

23 posted on 05/16/2011 8:03:58 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: webboy45

;-)


24 posted on 05/16/2011 8:05:34 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Ladies and Gentlemen the _resident of the untied States!!)
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To: Longbow1969

You could be right.

But accepting a suspect new BC isn’t exactly going all in, either.


25 posted on 05/16/2011 8:07:20 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yeah, I was there today as well as I had to pick up some Summer Bridge books for my kids.

Picked up Vince Flynn’s “Memorial Day” as well. He was on Hugh Hewitts show last Friday and they talked about how that novel foresaw the Bin Laden raid using CIA and special forces to go into Pakistan after a high level Al Queda operative.


26 posted on 05/16/2011 8:07:24 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Bump


27 posted on 05/16/2011 8:08:43 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: webboy45
What the cert number really proves is that he wasn’t born in the hospital.

The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

28 posted on 05/16/2011 8:09:48 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

so what your saying is that he stole the name barrack hussein obama from a dead baby? so barrack is a dead baby’s BC that he’s got? so they would have a death certificate for this name at a young age?


29 posted on 05/16/2011 8:10:04 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: conservativegramma

The state can solve this mystery so quickly. All they have to do is check their records to determine if there is another baby’s birth certificate with the same number Obama is using. Why would the state of HI involve itself in a cover up?


30 posted on 05/16/2011 8:10:51 PM PDT by orinoco
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To: Spunky; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; Fantasywriter; warsaw44; ColdOne; wintertime; Fred Nerks; ...
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Article, and link at # 4, also check more info in the comments.

Thanks, Spunky.

31 posted on 05/16/2011 8:10:51 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: orinoco

Because the state of HI has been issuing BC’s for children not born in HI or even the U.S. is why. Sun yat sen ring a bell? They’re not covering for Obama - they are covering their own criminal activities that Obama has taken full advantage of. He has them over a barrel.


32 posted on 05/16/2011 8:14:54 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Stanley Ann Dunham's signature in the document is wrong. Stanley Ann writes her Ds with an extra loop in the D than the one in the document. For those who want to compare, here is an example:


33 posted on 05/16/2011 8:15:02 PM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

“Is it all accounted for???”

Last I knew, no.

And a lot went to foreign banks. That was when our national Treasury was just plain flat out looted.


34 posted on 05/16/2011 8:15:54 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

there is 52 death records in 1962 for barack obama

http://www.archives.com/GA.aspx?FirstName=barack+&LastName=obama&BirthYear=&DeathYear=1962&MarriageYear=&DivorceYear=&Location=US&_act=registerDR&RecordType=2


35 posted on 05/16/2011 8:24:50 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: chicken head

and 57 birth records


36 posted on 05/16/2011 8:30:18 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Longbow1969

sadly, you are correct. events put a huge dent in it...

...but, just as before, honest questions will spread again... and now, there are even more questions raised.

Ayers astounding quote above about dead babies, the Hawaiian baby Virginia S.; who died after 4 August and disappeared, the impossibility of a Connecticut SSN; the words on the left margin of the LFBC that curve with the photocopy next to words that don’t; the signatures that have different pixel sizes...

The newly released FOIA info about Obama Sr, showing consistently that from 1959 to 1963, he claimed he was born in 1934, so was age 27 in 1961... So why is his age wrong on the BC???
...it was only in 1964, that he changed his birthdate to 1936... which is what a forger would have seen...
But in 1961, according to US Government records, an honest BC should have shown him as 27...
(that was a major argument against the first reported Kenyan BC... people said it had to be a forgery, because it showed him older than 25...)

...Added to previous “coincedences” like page 11 of the divorce papers missing, his Hawaii kindergarten records missing, certain pages of his Mother’s passport files missing, and much more... there is a LOT of smoke here, for no fire...
John McCain, for all his faults, is an honorable man. He showed his photocopied LFBC immediately, when honest questions arose. He didn’t wait 2 years, and then show a highly questionable abstract... after sending Colonel Lakin to prison, for asking honest sincere questions for over a year.
I don’t have the answers. but the honest questions remain...


37 posted on 05/16/2011 8:31:50 PM PDT by Elendur
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To: conservativegramma

ping


38 posted on 05/16/2011 8:37:09 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: conservativegramma

ping


39 posted on 05/16/2011 8:37:23 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Where's the Birth Certificate" will present a third choice: the sure understanding that, based on the U.S. Constitution and the framers' original intent, Barack Obama is not qualified to be president of the United States.

Is it just me or does it sound like they're going after the he's-born-here-still-not-natural-born concept?

40 posted on 05/16/2011 8:39:57 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: conservativegramma

The sequence may be interesting, but check the font used to create the right-most 1 digit in the serial number of the contested COLB. It does not have a downward hooking serif like the other 1 digits. You need to examine closely.


41 posted on 05/16/2011 8:42:07 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I got mine a week ago.


42 posted on 05/16/2011 8:48:10 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: jonrick46; All
Stanley Ann Dunham's signature in the document is wrong. Stanley Ann writes her Ds with an extra loop in the D than the one in the document.

I'm not a forensic document examiner, but I can tell you (from a friend who is) that you can't call a signature legitimate or fraudulent on the basis of merely one letter, especially a capital letter.

Plus, all questionable signatures should be compared to at least a dozen known samples of the individual's signature. That's because the same person never signs his or her name exactly alike each time. But the same person usually exhibits common features in each signature specimen.

43 posted on 05/16/2011 8:54:27 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Brown Deer

Don’t tell me the ending. LOL!!!


44 posted on 05/16/2011 8:57:43 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Sorry, that’s another two-volume book hopefully coming soon!


45 posted on 05/16/2011 9:01:06 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Elendur; LucyT; little jeremiah; mojitojoe; Quix
Barry Soetoro aka Barry Dunham is an affirmative action hire. He has been placed int he highest elected office of this nation.

As an affirmative action hire, Soetoro is afforded a pass where the law is concerned. He does not have to meet the Constitutional eligibility requirements to be sworn in, a the pirate John Roberts proved, TWICE. He does not have to release legitimate documents if he doesn 't want to, because the criminal propaganda media will cover for his criminality.

Barry Soetoro is a race affirming hire that is supposed to assuage white guilt. And he and his race hustlers know it so they are exploiting his status to the max knowing he is guilty of criminal fraud at the least and high treason at the max.

Barry Soetoro has done more to destroy the progress black people have made in the Western world than anything any KKK or hateful racist could do, because he has shown that it is a mistake to promote based upon affirmative action because the law must be ignored in order to maintain political correctness ... promotion on merit is what far more black people have accomplished yet they will be coming into question as possible affirmative action hires despite having earned their way to their positions in life. Regardless of political affiliation, try comparing Condi Rice and her working her way through a system to excellence, to the affirmative action promoted shiftless druggie bi-sexual now sitting in the oval office. When an honest comparison is made, we the people should be ashamed for having promoted this worthless commie thug to the presidency.

Barry Soetoro has earned/B> so little in life and has been given so much, in order to be exploited by the democrat criminal enterprise and commie societal engineers. It is possibly why we ought to hire Herman Cain to replace the filthy bugger, so we can see what a man of earned merit who is also black can do because he has the tested abilities instead of the affirmative action political correct promotions.

But ya know what? ... In conservative minds, Herman Cain will be weighed on his merits and abilities, and either elected or rejected. But his race will not be what gains an affirmative action! And I think Herman Cain would be just please as punch to have it that way. He has worked his way to where he is and wouldn't want to be affirmative action promoted.

The shame of it all is, too many black people and too many once conservative democrats will never get it, because the bastards running the media will never let the real stroy be told in stark terms which promote truth and dissolve the power of lies and affirmative action nonsense.

46 posted on 05/16/2011 9:03:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Brown Deer
Just don't know what to make of this right now.

It could be a blockbuster or burried. Don't know.

47 posted on 05/16/2011 9:03:56 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Voting for the crazy conservative gave us Ronald Reagan....Ann Coulter)
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To: Longbow1969

That is not the Long Form Birth Certificate(though it may be a COLB).

It is another walk up document. The original COLB was the type you can purchase and receive the same day.

For 3+ years we have heard from everybody, including a protective media, that there is no other document.

That is the only one Hawaii provides.

Well now they have proven that just isn’t so and validated part of Hawaii Statute 318 in the process.

The document Mubarak proffered this week is one you can request and it normally takes 10 days to receive it.

They are “Data Points” and the document “IS NOT” a copy of the original Long Form Birth Certificate.

I want to see the Birth Certificate he found among his mother’s belongings, the one his mother submitted for his entrance into the school system and the one he used to obtain his passport.

He has all three available to him and in his possession.

The fact of the matter is the document Barak released is another Abstract

I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR

ABSTRACT OF THE "TXE" RECORD ON FILE IN

THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

 

 

Now compare that with what a real Birth Certificate looks like and the wording

at the bottom that declares the provenance of the Birth Certificate:

 

THIS CERTIFIES THAT THE ABOVE IS A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE

ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE IN THE BUREAU OF HEALTH STATISTICS

TERRITORY OF HAWAII DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

 


48 posted on 05/16/2011 9:06:32 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Elendur

Here is something for you to think about...

If you wanted a damaging story to die, how would you go about it? Maybe you should address your accusers with any evidence no matter how implausible, ridicule them and then have something so big and important in the news that it will eclipse any rebuttal.

The Obama supporters and media came out on the day after the release and said that the issue was irrefutably resolved and that his detractors were either crazy or racists. They got in the last word.

Its almost like he knew that Seal Team 6 was gonna bag UBL, and seized the opportunity to bury his dirty laundry.


49 posted on 05/16/2011 9:08:00 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: conservativegramma; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ...

pingo


50 posted on 05/16/2011 9:11:31 PM PDT by bitt
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