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Tossing out those energy guzzling incandescent light bulbs.
The Delta Report ^ | 5-17-2011 | Mike Sullivan

Posted on 05/17/2011 8:45:27 AM PDT by Tvrm

Getting on the Energy Efficiency Bandwagon – Tossing out those energy guzzling incandescent light bulbs.

With the banning of 100w incandescent bulbs in January 2012 and 40w bulbs and higher in 2014, don’t get confused with reducing our countries energy usage with saving you money because it is not about saving you money.


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With the banning of 100w incandescent bulbs in January 2012 and 40w bulbs and higher in 2014, don’t get confused with reducing our countries energy usage with saving you money because it is not about saving you money. If everyone replaced their 60 watt bulbs (reported 425 million of them) with 10 watt LED’s (LED’s were used in this analysis based on concerns with CFL’s and mercury) do you believe that the utility companies could survive the loss of revenue? The obvious answer is no and your purchase of 60w $40 LED bulbs (though expected to drop to $22 each) will be rewarded with a rate increase to ensure the power company receives a similarly sized check from you, the consumer. There were recent stories floating around where drought conditions in North Carolina were so bad that municipalities requested consumers to decrease water consumption. As good citizens they successfully reduced their consumption only to see their rates increase as the reduction in revenues resulted in the cities inability to pay current water and sewer bonds. So as the folks did their duty and reduced consumption they were not rewarded with lower bills but similar bills. Applying this parallel to electric providers as incandescent bulbs are phased out the average household will need to purchase over $300 of new LED (or similar) bulbs which will eventually be a win win for the power companies and lighting manufactures. The power companies will be able to manage population growth with manageable upgrading of distribution and generation while lighting manufacturers will enhance their revenue stream as incandescent bulbs disappear and purchasing of a government mandated device is the only option. To the consumer the typical electrical cost of a single 60 watt bulb, left on for 4 hours a day, is approximately $10 per year ($0.12/kwh) with 425 million bulbs this amounts to a loss of revenue for power companies at over $4 billion dollars and the cost to the consumer for bulbs (6 per household on average) at between $9 billion to $17 billion. So where is the consumer left? Reducing your energy / carbon footprint is a good thing and generally we would expect to be rewarded with lower bills but it is not about lower bills it is about getting us to recognize that we the United States consume far too much energy per capita when compared to the rest of the world and through regulation the government can help us be more energy conscience (but don’t expect to save money). Now for those of you that will hoard those last remaining incandescent bulbs and chose not to upgrade to the new standards, there will come a time as utilities rates increase you will be “nudged” into replacing those energy guzzling bulbs.
1 posted on 05/17/2011 8:45:29 AM PDT by Tvrm
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To: Tvrm
...it is not about saving you money...

...it is about funneling your money to government/socialist-sanctioned monopolists.

2 posted on 05/17/2011 8:49:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: Tvrm
Lets toss out Freedom grabbing politicians and agencies.

FREEDOM!

3 posted on 05/17/2011 8:49:54 AM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: Tvrm

Remember - paragraphs are our friends.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 8:50:16 AM PDT by demkicker (Helping Democrats Become Extinct - Politically Not Literally!)
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To: Tvrm

No linky my homey.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 8:51:21 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Tvrm
This is on a parallel with what happened when states first started enacting seat belt laws "It will always be a secondary offense if you are stopped for something else...but never as a reason to pull you over by itself."

Governments never keep promises.

6 posted on 05/17/2011 8:56:25 AM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Here in WA state, there are now so many wind farms that are being subsidized that there is an excess of power. The BPA can't even give the power to Kalifornia, let alone sell it.

This whole energy thing is a crock of you know what.

Then when the subsidies run out and the maintenance stops, we will have a bunch of windmills twisting in the wind, not producing power and becoming eyesores.

7 posted on 05/17/2011 8:57:50 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Tvrm
Okay, I have a weird story.

I live in an area with an HOA. About a year ago, I would notice these broken CFL lightbulbs while I was out walking my dog around the property. They were removed from the outdoor light fixtures on the buildings and smashed on the ground. Of course, my first thought was "mercury" and avoided them with the dog.

This went on for months. Every few weeks, I'd see another one smashed on the sidewalk, thinking WTF is that all about?

Then one day, I ran into an HOA board member and we started talking. She was telling me that they had caught this kid vandalizing... they caught him pulling up landscaping (young trees just planted) and throwing them around. Oh, she told me, he was also smashing the lightbulbs.

I always thought that was weird. He never smashed an incandescent bulb, just a CFL. And since he was removing them from people's front door light fixtures, all sorts of light bulbs go in those - owner's choice. So I thought, there's got to be some story there...some reason why he is taking out his frustrations on CFL lightbulbs. We're talking a 13-year-old boy.

Found out later that the kid doing it was the son of the divorced hippie with the long, gray hair. The one who looks like she works at a university teaching "womyn's studies." Ah! It clicked then.

8 posted on 05/17/2011 8:58:25 AM PDT by ponygirl
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The only way out of it is to break the monopoly. Americans need to get off the grid.


9 posted on 05/17/2011 8:58:35 AM PDT by toast
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To: Tvrm
I don't know if this is true, but I believe I saw on a thread yesterday that the new LED bulbs, which they are calling 100W (bad name) will cost $50.

Now, it's great that these will last "forever" and you will save money in the long run. But can you imagine telling poor people, or people who live paycheck to paycheck that replacing the lightbulb in the bathroom will cost them $50??

I think a lot of people will decide that they don't mind the dark. More evidence that we are becoming a third world country.

10 posted on 05/17/2011 9:02:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I know of some people (ahem) who have stored up enough of the “old” lightbulbs to last them the rest of their lives............


11 posted on 05/17/2011 9:07:30 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
it is about funneling your money to government/socialist-sanctioned monopolists.

To cite one, specifically, GENERAL ELECTRIC.

New way to reward your contributors....pass a law against their competitors' products.

Heh.

12 posted on 05/17/2011 9:08:24 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/2011/02/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Indeed Ford may have stopped producing the Mercury but GE has not.


13 posted on 05/17/2011 9:11:45 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Tvrm

We need to hold a tea party protest where we shove CFL bulbs up our lawmakers a*ses.

In effigy, of course...


14 posted on 05/17/2011 9:12:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ClearCase_guy

“More evidence that we are becoming a third world country.”

Indeed.


15 posted on 05/17/2011 9:13:15 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Your party left you.)
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To: Tvrm
RE :"Now for those of you that will hoard those last remaining incandescent bulbs and chose not to upgrade to the new standards, there will come a time as utilities rates increase you will be “nudged” into replacing those energy guzzling bulbs. "

That is certainly their plan.

16 posted on 05/17/2011 9:13:58 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Tvrm

Guess who wins from this one - GE.


17 posted on 05/17/2011 9:15:02 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Tvrm
Year 2018:

'Psst bubby' (man opens his jacket), 'wanna but a lightbulb? 100 watts!)

18 posted on 05/17/2011 9:15:42 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Tvrm

Was at Lowes a couple of weeks ago, and they had a special on incandescent 60W bulbs - 16 pack for about $2.29. Practically filled the car with them. Figure they’ll last me at least 5 years.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 9:18:35 AM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: Tvrm

This is exactly what happened with the “Save A Watt” campaign in NYC back in the 60’s. ConEd’s revenues dropped so much that a rate increase was instituted to make up the shortfall.


20 posted on 05/17/2011 9:20:15 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Tvrm

***don’t get confused with reducing our countries energy usage with saving you money because it is not about saving you money.***

How true! Ive seen more energy wasted around here in public lighting than my 100w incadescents will ever use in my lifetime.

CFLs give my wife a headache. Hell hath no fury like her with a headache!

100W incadescents also keep pipes under the house and the well house from freezing in winter, they also keep the baby chicks and other animals warm.

I suppose if we call them 100W heating units we will be accused of wasting light!


21 posted on 05/17/2011 9:21:02 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

***We need to hold a tea party protest where we shove CFL bulbs up our lawmakers a*ses.***

On a certain day we all need to storm the Capitol in Wasshington D C and hurl our burned out CFLs on the Capitol steps.


22 posted on 05/17/2011 9:23:50 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Tvrm

I replaced all my lighbulbs in my house with the CFL bulbs and my electric bill went up about $100 per monnth..it took we about 3 months to finally figure out why then I realized it was the CFL bulbs. So I threw all of them away and put back the cheapy bulbs...ta-da my electric bill is $100 cheaper a month....crazy huh!


23 posted on 05/17/2011 9:30:48 AM PDT by Jessica2677 (S.O.S.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
“On a certain day we all need to storm the Capitol in Washington D C and hurl our burned out LAWMAKERS on their a**es.”
24 posted on 05/17/2011 9:35:45 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It never is. Government and it’s monopoly-regulated monopolies always have a reason to raise rates no matter what, in this case - energy. No matter if you conserve and use less, use the same, or use more:

Use less: We need to raise rates because we have fixed costs but people are using less and therefore our power earnings are lower.

Use the same: Upgrade costs, maintenance costs, planning for the future increases, we need a rate increase.

Use more: demand has grown, really need new plants, upgrade capacity at existing plants, we need a rate increase.

No matter what happens they just trot out whatever excuses work at the moment. If you conserve and expect to save money, forget it. The only good thing is that it might help keep your bills staying closer to the same, because you are using less energy which can offset some of the rate increases.


25 posted on 05/17/2011 9:39:13 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Go study India.

The government subsidized CFLs at first so everyone took them.

Then when they actually had to buy one, they couldn’t because the bulbs were so expensive.

Like the Soviet Union, one lightbulb per household. Soon, they’ll only turn the electricity on for a couple of hours a night.

The CFL lightbulb plot is a very sinister plot against the American people no doubt about it.

Cost doesn’t take into consideration special drop off points have to be set up (graft of government money to the locations who take them) then disposing of them in the landfill is forbidden, so where do they take them?

BTW if you break one on your carpet, you’re supposed to throw the carpet out.


26 posted on 05/17/2011 9:41:17 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You know, I was thinking of exactly the same thing...except no effigy would be involved.


27 posted on 05/17/2011 9:41:31 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Actually this is how I plan to keep selling them after the ban.

High Efficiency Portable Personal Heaters with Light. 95% of the energy the bulb uses is turned into heat. Plus you get a lot of light. Talk about efficient heaters!


28 posted on 05/17/2011 9:41:33 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
But can you imagine telling poor people ... that replacing the lightbulb in the bathroom will cost them $50??
First, I disagree - there are no "poor" people in America.
Second, WTH would they care? They don't' pay for anything ... you and I pick up the tab.
29 posted on 05/17/2011 9:45:08 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: basil

yeah, I have “personal” knowledge of a lightbulb stockpile myself ;-)


30 posted on 05/17/2011 9:49:38 AM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If South Carolina starts producing incandescents (for their use only, don’t you know), I’m sure there will be some product ‘leakage’ out of the state. I say this thinking of buying a horse trailer.


31 posted on 05/17/2011 9:58:20 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: ClearCase_guy

Fine. I want a “lifetime” guarantee where I can just go to the store and exchange them. I have three dead CCFL 100W bulbs that were not cheap.


32 posted on 05/17/2011 10:19:44 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: basil
I don't have quite enough stored up for the rest of my life as far as life expectancy is concerned, but we have a stash to last until the LED bulbs come down in price.
33 posted on 05/17/2011 10:51:39 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

The Antiyuppie -=> “Fine. I want a “lifetime” guarantee where I can just go to the store and exchange them. I have three dead CCFL 100W bulbs that were not cheap.

Maybe mail the dead bulbs to your senators or congressthings?


34 posted on 05/17/2011 11:00:18 AM PDT by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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To: Tvrm

First they came for my light bulbs and I said nothing, etc...


35 posted on 05/17/2011 11:10:21 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Congressman, for your sake I hope you have a left-hand thread”


36 posted on 05/17/2011 12:00:48 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I asked the bartender for a bin Ladin, she said 'what's that? I said 'two shots then a splash.')
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To: Arrowhead1952

You must be younger than I am—LOL!


37 posted on 05/17/2011 2:42:41 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: basil

Let me put it this way. I am still in the military and mandatory retirement age is 60. I will not be in the military one year from now.


38 posted on 05/17/2011 2:45:23 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Let me put it this way: I’ve got underwear older than you..........


39 posted on 05/17/2011 3:29:48 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: DownInFlames
Guess who wins from this one - GE.

Or, as some witty TV commentator called them the other day - "This administration's in-house corporation".

40 posted on 05/17/2011 3:42:25 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Tvrm
it is not about saving you money.

Sadly, it's also not about good lighting...or liberty.

What it is about is "Daddy (government/elitists) knows best."

41 posted on 05/18/2011 11:04:40 AM PDT by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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