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CALIFORNIA: Assembly passes crackdown on carrying unloaded handguns in public
Sacramento Bee ^ | 5/17/11 | Jim Sanders, Sacramento Bee

Posted on 05/17/2011 10:12:10 PM PDT by SmithL

Saying you don't need a gun to order a cheeseburger, a California lawmaker Monday pushed through the Assembly a crackdown on carrying unloaded handguns in public places.

Assemblyman Anthony Portantino's legislation takes aim at a movement that encourages people to show up at public places with unloaded handguns strapped to their side.

"Our families deserve to feel safe in our parks and coffee shops," said Portantino, D-La Cañada Flintridge.

"You don't need a handgun to order a cheeseburger," he said. "You don't need a handgun to order a cup of coffee."

The "open carry" movement created shock waves in 2009 when about a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, stood outside an Arizona convention center where President Barack Obama was speaking.

Sacramento was the site of a demonstration involving protesters with unloaded guns last year, and Portantino said a group of gun-wearing people rode a light-rail train into Pasadena and rallied near his office recently.

Portantino's Assembly Bill 144 would make it a misdemeanor to display an unloaded handgun in a public place or on a public street in a city or in prohibited areas of unincorporated county land.

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1 posted on 05/17/2011 10:12:13 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Way to go, California. Disarm the law-abiding citizens, when you have no freaking way of disarming the criminal element.


2 posted on 05/17/2011 10:14:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SmithL

More politics. Portantino is attempting to generate interest and liberal support for his plan to run again House Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier.


3 posted on 05/17/2011 10:15:22 PM PDT by americanophile (Paul Ryan 2012)
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To: SmithL

Yet not a word for illegal cartel sponsored street gangs in his own neighborhood.

The Kooks have invaded and now are taking over all sense of order.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 10:15:59 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: SmithL

I would feel safer with a citizen carrying a firearm openly, not less so. These liberal morons will never understand.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 10:16:42 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SmithL
"Our families deserve to feel safe in our parks and coffee shops," said Portantino, D-La Cañada Flintridge.

A Democrat is now representing that area???? I remember not too long ago, that area was solidly conservative Republican.

Gads, I'm glad I moved to Texas when I did.

6 posted on 05/17/2011 10:17:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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7 posted on 05/17/2011 10:19:14 PM PDT by americanophile (Paul Ryan 2012)
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To: SmithL

Easy solution - load them!

Remember, Huey Newton and the Black Panthers exploited an open-carry law back in the 1960’s to make their first show of force, and you know what happened after that.

If open-carry of unloaded weapons is legal, so be it. If open carry of a loaded weapon is legal, even better.

The Left hates an armed citizenry.


8 posted on 05/17/2011 10:20:00 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SmithL

The most pressing problem in California today is the necessity of infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens. Well done.


9 posted on 05/17/2011 10:20:08 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Windflier

Unfortunately yes. LCF used to be rock-ribbed conservative Republicans, but they’ve gerrymandered the district so badly that the Dems win every time now.


10 posted on 05/17/2011 10:22:43 PM PDT by americanophile (Paul Ryan 2012)
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To: Windflier

Unfortunately yes. LCF used to be rock-ribbed conservative Republicans, but they’ve gerrymandered the district so badly that the Dems win every time now.


11 posted on 05/17/2011 10:22:50 PM PDT by americanophile (Paul Ryan 2012)
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To: SmithL

Just a backdoor way to outlaw gun shows and firing ranges. I tell you, my beloved state is completely out of control. We’re looking at land in TN, WY, ID. Gonna join the eastward migration asap.


12 posted on 05/17/2011 10:24:45 PM PDT by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor & 2 Marines! Pray for wisdom for Netanyahu & Gen. Petraeus.)
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To: SmithL

Why would anyone carry an unloaded gun? Did I miss something?


13 posted on 05/17/2011 10:31:10 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: americanophile
LCF used to be rock-ribbed conservative Republicans, but they’ve gerrymandered the district so badly that the Dems win every time now.

And so goes the downfall of one of the last bastions of real conservatism in SoCal. It breaks my heart. All of my kids were born in the Foothills, and I once thought that the area would always be our home.

14 posted on 05/17/2011 10:33:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Outlaw Woman
Why would anyone carry an unloaded gun? Did I miss something?

Hell, unloaded they're not even a good club. Give me a 3 foot piece of pipe, lot cheaper.
Ca. would probably pass an anti 3 ft piece of pipe law then.

15 posted on 05/17/2011 10:44:20 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: SmithL

Hey, California geniuses, you might want to defend yourself against getting robbed on the way to get the “cheeseburger,” and on the way home for that matter.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 10:44:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Windflier

Agreed, it’s very sad. It’s still represented by a Republican in Congress, but the state Senate and Assembly seats have been in the hands of the Dems for years now. The area is still pretty conservative, but less so than the old days. The representation is purely the result of where the corrupt legislature has drawn the lines - it ensures liberal victories.


17 posted on 05/17/2011 10:45:36 PM PDT by americanophile (Paul Ryan 2012)
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To: The Cajun
Hell, unloaded they're not even a good club. Give me a 3 foot piece of pipe

Then you would have a gun and a pipe.

18 posted on 05/17/2011 10:45:54 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: SmithL
Given what is coming there, I would disarm everyone.

Get rid of the steel silverware too.

It will be a hoot to watch them stab each other with ecofriendly sporks.

19 posted on 05/17/2011 10:48:11 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: SmithL
"Our families deserve to feel safe in our parks and coffee shops," said Portantino, D-La Cañada Flintridge.

That's what it's always about.

Never mind actually being safe.

20 posted on 05/17/2011 10:49:24 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: SmithL

I wouldn’t move back there if they made me king and gave me a nice IPO as a birthday present. Smart, conservative Californians need to scout out a place in Texas or the Dakotas or somesuch. If you can’t find a good job in Dallas/Ft Worth or Houston, you ain’t trying.


21 posted on 05/17/2011 10:53:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (How do you starve an Obama supporter? Hide his food stamps under his work boots.)
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To: kbennkc
3 ft. piece of stout pipe beats an unloaded pistol just about every time, I would think :^)
22 posted on 05/17/2011 10:54:29 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Jeff Winston

Most conservatives would “feel” safer in the company of ten random neighbors walking around armed than in the company of ten cops.


23 posted on 05/17/2011 10:57:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: americanophile
I grew up next door in La Crescenta.

When I was a kid, I used to go up in the hills near our house and plink cans with my .22 Remington Rifle. When I was a teenager, I had a gun rack in my Ford Pickup and never got a second look from my fellow Citizens. We used to load up the rifles and pistols and go up Angeles Crest Highway to do some target practice.

Oh how times have changed.

24 posted on 05/17/2011 11:00:44 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: The Cajun
3 ft. piece of stout pipe beats an unloaded pistol just about every time, I would think :^)

BTW If you concealed the pipe, it would be an illegal carry in some states.

25 posted on 05/17/2011 11:01:44 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: The Cajun

It just sounds like a bunch of BS. I mean really, how many people walk around carrying unloaded guns? Typical Dems, invent a problem/crisis where none exist!


26 posted on 05/17/2011 11:03:43 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: kbennkc

Have to use the *Plumber in Disguise* defense then.


27 posted on 05/17/2011 11:06:32 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: SmithL
>”The “open carry” movement created shock waves in 2009 when about a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, stood outside an Arizona convention center where President Barack Obama was speaking”<

The Citizen “protesters” were three blocks away from where Obama was speaking. That was where the Black guy was carrying his AR-15 and PMSNBC cropped the picture so people would think he was just another Timothy McVeigh.

28 posted on 05/17/2011 11:07:53 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: athelass

I moved to ID in 2000. Things were fine until all my work dried up in
Dec 2008. I’ve been in San Diego working to support my family in ID
for the last 2 years. The personal gear I have can be relocated home
to ID in under 24 hours. No desire to have any ties to CA.


29 posted on 05/17/2011 11:11:52 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Outlaw Woman
Why would anyone carry an unloaded gun? Did I miss something?

I don't get it either. So I'm legal as long as my pistol is loaded, then illegal after I fire it and it is empty?

30 posted on 05/17/2011 11:15:40 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: SmithL
"You don't need a handgun to order a cheeseburger," he said. "You don't need a handgun to order a cup of coffee."

He must not have been to a MacDonald's lately...

31 posted on 05/17/2011 11:18:18 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: americanophile

ahhh soooo...that explains it all. 1001 words.


32 posted on 05/17/2011 11:21:30 PM PDT by onona (Fullly aware that I may be totally)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Hmmm never thought about it like that. Sounds like you must keep it loaded alright.


33 posted on 05/17/2011 11:21:38 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Open carry is illegal in California and they won’t issue conceal carry permits to most people - only a few rural counties issue CCW permits.

Guys were open-carrying unloaded handguns to bring attention to the CCW issue in California. The police would hassle them but couldn’t really do anything since they hadn’t broken the law. So the communists legislature, true to form, just fixed it so they will now be breaking the law if they continue - giving the police power to arrest them, not just harass them.

Commies are like that.

So now these protester/educators can’t open carry unloaded guns anymore in order to try to bring awareness to the issue unless they want to get arrested.


34 posted on 05/17/2011 11:22:22 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Huge grin alert !!

NICE


35 posted on 05/17/2011 11:22:47 PM PDT by onona (Fullly aware that I may be totally)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Thank you for that explanation. As far as I can see, CA is a lost cause.


36 posted on 05/17/2011 11:26:17 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: americanophile

he always said he wanted to be Governor. Now he’s looking at the 26th CD?

I couldn’t stand Anthony when he was on the city counsel in LCF. I like him even less now...


37 posted on 05/17/2011 11:41:22 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: SmithL
Ed Worley, the NRA's CA State Liaison, was on NRA News after the Assembly passed AB144. I clipped out the audio and posted is here. Go take a listen. There are a couple of interesting things he mentions. The first is that public safety was not the reason some legislators voted for the bill. They were far more concerned with people wearing firearms openly to make a political statement. In other words, their intent wasn't to violate the 2nd Amendment, but rather the 1st Amendment.

There are also some very interesting legal ramifications if the bill becomes law. There have been two cases thus far in CA where Federal judges have ruled against CCW applicants who challenged our capricious "may issue" system. In both cases, the judges pointed out that since open carry is legal in this State, denying one a concealed carry permit doesn't infringe on one's right to use a firearms in self defense outside the home. Keep in mind that in both Heller and McDonald, the right of self defense was called a fundamental right that cannot exist without the right to keep and bear arms. Now, if AB144 passes, the only legal alternative to CCW will be outlawed. How then can one exercise the right to armed self defense?

There are only two manners in which one may carry a firearm: Openly or concealed. If one, open carry, is specifically outlawed, that leaves one and only one legal alternative: Concealed carry. The US Supreme Court has recognized the importance of armed self defense; that this is a fundamental right. And through the 14th Amendment, they have recognized that the States and localities have no power to infringe upon that right. Thus no State or locality may have a total ban on an activity related to that right. Total bans on gun possession are unconstitutional and illegal. Total bans on handgun possession are illegal. Do you see where this is going? The briar patch that Portantino threatens to toss us into may result in court-mandated shall-issue concealed carry!

Ed states that legislators were warned about this. The look he got in return is best described as "Bambi in headlights".

38 posted on 05/18/2011 12:17:56 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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That is carrying an illegal club in California. IIRC, it’s a felony there.


39 posted on 05/18/2011 12:23:57 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Loaded carry is illegal in CA.


40 posted on 05/18/2011 12:26:04 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SmithL

The unloaded open carry people were wasting their time getting together and showing their guns in public at Starbucks while knowing that there would likely be a backlash from the anti-gun politicians. When the law passes (as it did before) and the Republican governor is no longer there to veto it this year, these open carry people will have succeeded in screwing over the rest of us gun owners.

There are still a few legal ways to carry a gun in California outside of the home. However, a lot of cops don’t care about the law and will harass you if you have a gun. The unloaded open carry law (as it now exists) would have been a useful backup legal defense to keep me from being arrested if I ever needed to pull out my gun in self-defense. Now that law will be gone, absent a long and uphill challenge to the law through the courts. Stupid.


41 posted on 05/18/2011 12:27:31 AM PDT by Rybashka
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That is carrying an illegal club in California. IIRC, it’s a felony there.

These are legal...

I'm just sayin'...

42 posted on 05/18/2011 12:31:38 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: Redcloak

Actually, there is a third legal way to carry a firearm in California: unloaded and placed inside a locked case. (A glove compartment does not count.)

I don’t know the cases mentioned by Ed Worley. However, I wonder if this third legal method will be sufficient to defeat the NRA’s argument.


43 posted on 05/18/2011 12:35:04 AM PDT by Rybashka
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To: Jeff Winston
Our families deserve to feel safe

Good catch. For the left, feelings are what matters, not logic, not results.

Our prisons are huge, the staff well paid, and their political clout is unmatched- literal king-makers. This goombah/ gambino, uses his Family concern for the benefit of us all to climb the political ladder.

Trouble is: this fat cat can't provide insurance, you know, like la familia could. 'Till then, a person should provide their own. "An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure."

The Framers knew this, that's why they wrote the 2nd ammendment.

"A well regulated militia, necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Sounds all-military and that, which it is, since 'the people' would reserve the 'right' to bear arms against a tyrannical government (state or federal, boys and girls) while at the same time, enjoying the freedom to blow holes in those intent upon applying their own mini tyranny on the public in the form of rape, robbery, home invasion, fraud, theft, etc.

Ain't freedom grand? As it pertains the right to bear arms, California and it's many 'representatives' simply suck dick. Feinstein, Boxer, and everyone else on the Left blow and blow. But, what good is that? Has no one ever been robbed while being head-bobbed by Diane or Barbara? What kind of deterrence is that?

"Give me your wallet!".
"Hey, I don't have to because Diane is busy, or didn't you notice?"
"I'm sorry, man. I didn't."
"Get your crack-ass oughta here before I call Barbara Boxer- and she sucks the crime out of the city!"
"Hey, don't do that man. Don't do that! I'm outta here, ok?"
"Damn right, you are!"

44 posted on 05/18/2011 12:42:32 AM PDT by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: Rybashka
Locked away and inaccessible is not allowed under Heller.
45 posted on 05/18/2011 12:47:13 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: SmithL

An unloaded firearm will get a man killed.


46 posted on 05/18/2011 1:35:30 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: SmithL
you don't need a gun to order a cheeseburger

The Luby's massacre was an incident of mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991 when George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot and killed 23 people

theatlantic.com

1984 Mcdonalds Massacre
His (James Huberty) destructive behavior started at 3:40 pm on a fatal day of July 18, 1984 where he carried a long barreled UZI semi-automatic rifle, a handgun and a shotgun that killed 21 and wounded 19 people.

ummascorner.blogspot.com

47 posted on 05/18/2011 2:38:46 AM PDT by Daaave ("You see, but you do not observe." Sherlock Holmes)
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To: SmithL

“You don’t need a handgun to order a cheeseburger,” he said. “You don’t need a handgun to order a cup of coffee.”


Sometimes you do.


48 posted on 05/18/2011 3:22:32 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: SmithL

I’m so happy that I moved to the Free United States of America.


49 posted on 05/18/2011 4:24:48 AM PDT by EricT. (I'm going to spend 68% more than I make this year- I hear it's the responsible thing to do..)
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To: Windflier

You don’t need a political hack or the Government to tell you how to live free either


50 posted on 05/18/2011 4:50:17 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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