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Considering buying a handgun - any advice?

Posted on 05/18/2011 1:23:42 PM PDT by jda

I'm looking for advice concerning buying a handgun.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: 357magnum; banglist; firearms; handgun; handguns; revolver
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To: jda
Beginners should start with NRA Certified training

I would recommend training
from an NRA Certified Instructor in

Refuse to be a victim

Basic pistol
Personal protection in the home
and the newly released
Personal protection outside the home

NRA Gun Safety Rules

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

51 posted on 05/18/2011 1:50:11 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: jda

Kel Tec P3AT (.380 hollow points)

Can’t even tell it’s in my pocket.

Lifetime guarantee.


52 posted on 05/18/2011 1:51:20 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( Ft. Lauderdale Florida)
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To: jda
Not sure if anyone has said this yet: Taurus Judge.

Versatility in the ammo is amazing. The best weapon for deterring carjackings.

53 posted on 05/18/2011 1:52:26 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Samogon
the small frame magnums are prone for stoppage due to bullets shooting loose from the casing because of the violent recoil.

Not to mention that the violent recoil of a small-frame magnum means it is not the best choice for novices.

54 posted on 05/18/2011 1:54:06 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: thefactor

I’ve thinking about getting one. The Taurus name is deterring me however. How’s yours function? does it feel solid and well made?


55 posted on 05/18/2011 2:01:37 PM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: snoringbear; Lurker

Count me in on the small .357 revolver.
Almost foolproof.
Safety off/on? Slide release on the left or right side? Round in chamber?

No worries with a revolver. Esp.under stress.


56 posted on 05/18/2011 2:03:53 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: jda

Yes - get the biggest damn thing with which you can reliably point, shoot and hit your target. Any caliber that begins with a ‘4’ is a good place to start. Then figure out how to carriy it discreetly.


57 posted on 05/18/2011 2:04:16 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Not to mention that the violent recoil of a small-frame magnum

Load it with .38 hollow points. Problem solved.

58 posted on 05/18/2011 2:05:32 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: jda
Get a “snake Pistol” Short nose revolver that will shoot a 12 gage buckshot or a 45 cal round.

Can't miss and will make a mess no mater where it is pointed.

59 posted on 05/18/2011 2:05:48 PM PDT by primatreat ( "O" YOU PUKE. Seals are good guys. They double tap on orders....Yours???)
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To: thefactor

“Versatility in the ammo is amazing.”

A hundred and fifty year old black powder cartridge and the smallest, most expensive common shotgun shell are “amazing?”

“The
best weapon for deterring carjackings.”

How many carjacking continue after the driver has produced ANY gun?


60 posted on 05/18/2011 2:06:11 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: jda
.357......if you want something smaller to carry with you on your body ....then I would still concider a revolver.....maybe a small frame .38 or a small frame .357.

They make no-hammer versions of these revolvers.

I like shooting semi-autos.....yet I like to shoot the .357. It has a much longer range than a 9mm or a .40 S&W or a .45 auto. Plus, a .357 with a longish barrel (4 inch or longer) is a good deer pistol if you use soft points.....which I always have in my .357

Plus, again, I like to load my own .357 with my handy-dandy Hand Lee Loader for .357

61 posted on 05/18/2011 2:06:11 PM PDT by rface (I shoot S&W .357 and CZ 75B .40 S&W)
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To: papertyger

<< How are they supposed to tell the difference between a limp-wristed shooter and a lousy pistol? >>

A “lousy pistol” is what a person calls the gun they are shooting when they aren’t hitting the target.


62 posted on 05/18/2011 2:06:11 PM PDT by Klaatu Barada Nikto (Government Axiom: Minimum Requirements = Maximum Achieved)
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To: Samogon
my S&W M&P 340 has never failed to function. The recoil is violent (worse than my .500 magnum) but this isn't a target pistol that you take to the range for a day of enjoyable family fun. Accuracy? I have CT laser sites on it and tritium night sites to boot. Most engagements occur within 15 meters and usually much less and in poorly lit conditions so I guarantee I'll hit the target five out of five times and probably without ever even having pulled the thing out of my jacket pocket (try that trick with a semi-auto). There is no finer concealed carry pistol imo.
63 posted on 05/18/2011 2:10:15 PM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
“Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use”

Since a firearm should always be ready for use, I give you COL Cooper's rules.

1. A firearm is always loaded. No exceptions.

2. Never point a firearm at something you do not want to destroy. (Remember, bullets come with lawyers attached)

3. Keep you bugger hook off the bang switch until you want to shoot.

4. Be aware of your target and what is behind it. (Bullets will keep moving until they hit something, like the day care center or your neighbors house.)

64 posted on 05/18/2011 2:11:05 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: RC one
Most engagements occur within 15 meters

Most engagements I've known occur within less than 2 inches.....

65 posted on 05/18/2011 2:12:33 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is an enemy of the United States of America)
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To: RC one

I don’t own one, but I’ve shot one. Quite sturdy, IMHO. I’m a semi-auto 9mm guy on account of my job. I don’t have a choice!


66 posted on 05/18/2011 2:13:40 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Lurker
Load it with .38 hollow points. Problem solved.

Really depends on the revolver. My wife rented a Feather-Weight Lady Smith once. I am 6'1", all of 208 lbs., and an experienced shooter, and even I had difficulty controlling the recoil. Follow-up shots would be very difficult with this type of gun..

However, the all-metal versions may be more manageable. Someday I hope to try one of those nifty Ruger SP101's.

67 posted on 05/18/2011 2:17:00 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: jda

It sounds like you don’t want a battle field gun, you want a light, small, easy to carry pistol for self defense, try this one.

Try the Diamondback DB9, A 9mm pistol that only weighs 11 ounces.

•Capacity: 6+1 Rounds
•Weight: 11 Ounces
•Length: 5.60”
•Height: 4.00” with mag
•Width: 0.80”
•Barrel Length: 3.00”
•Firing Mechanism: Striker Fire
•Trigger Pull: DAO 5 lbs


68 posted on 05/18/2011 2:17:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: jda

Buy the biggest baddest fire breathing dragon that you can, that also happens to be comfortable to carry all day, and that you can use effectively when and if you need it. Consider how and when you will carry it, what you will generally be wearing to conceal it, and scenarios you will use it.

I use a Kahr CW 9mm that is easy to conceal and has a magazine with 7 (plus one), but it could as easily have been a compact .45 or any one of a number of other very fine varieties. I am a short person and cannot conceal anything larger. Get to the range and try out several.

Comfort in carrying, and ease of use when it is needed are the two starting points.


69 posted on 05/18/2011 2:20:39 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: fireforeffect
Since a firearm should always be ready for use, I give you COL Cooper's rules.

The NRA used "Cooper rules"
They proved to be unsafe.

If you only own one gun and you use it to carry
then load it.

However if you own two or more load only the ones used for carry.


70 posted on 05/18/2011 2:24:55 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: jda

Take a friend that can ID a straight bore and undamaged piece and find a .38 Taurus at a pawn shop/gun show/gun store. Cheap, 6 shots, controllable, and deadly with hollow points.


71 posted on 05/18/2011 2:25:13 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: OB1kNOb

Another good thing about the High Point is that they come with a near match grade trigger and are a unique blowback design. The .45 ACP will happily cycle target and +P rounds.


72 posted on 05/18/2011 2:26:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: thefactor
I’m a semi-auto 9mm guy on account of my job. I don’t have a choice!

Nines (particularly +P HPs) really don't get the respect they deserve, in my opinion. They are very controllable with a large ammo capacity, allowing many follow up shots that will put a lot of lead on a target quickly.

73 posted on 05/18/2011 2:29:06 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: thefactor
I’m a semi-auto 9mm guy on account of my job. I don’t have a choice!

Nines (particularly +P HPs) really don't get the respect they deserve, in my opinion. They are very controllable with a large ammo capacity, allowing many follow up shots that will put a lot of lead on a target quickly.

74 posted on 05/18/2011 2:29:14 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: jda
Get with your friends and try as many different pistols as you can.

If it feels good in your hand, it is.

Get something you will shoot a lot. Magnums may be cool, but if you do not shoot it on a regular basis, you won't be any good with it. Smaller firearms can deliver recoil like a magnum and this will reduce your desire to shoot them.

Everyone will recommend what they carry. Glock’s, 1911’s, H&K's, S&W's, SIG, and etc. Automatics or wheel guns. What works for you is the best.

Since you are looking for a car gun, get something that the caliber starts in “4” or bigger than 10mm. Experience shows that this works best at threat reduction.

In the end, you will own more than one. Unlike a wife or girlfriend, guns do not care if you have more than one of them.

Until you have put at least 500 malfunction free rounds through a pistol, do not bet your life on it's reliability.

And finally. Remember that with advice, you get what you pay for it.

75 posted on 05/18/2011 2:32:06 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: jda

Take handgun safety training at your local area gun shop or specialty store. It will also teach you about the variety of handgun make and styles and help you make the best purchase.


76 posted on 05/18/2011 2:35:49 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: jda

This will be the first time I’ve given any advice on one of these great threads...FWIW.
J frame S&W Airweight. 38 spl+P. Speer GDHP ammo.
CT grip.
Crossbreed Supertuck or Kramer pocket holster. Pretty comfortable.

Practiced a lot.


77 posted on 05/18/2011 2:37:49 PM PDT by Holen1 (Chesapeake Bay seasoning. "I put that **** on everything.")
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To: jda
As someone who has carried concealed and competed in IDPA for over 25 years, I can tell you that it is tough to beat a Glock 19, because it is lightweight, impervious to rust or wear (important if you will be carrying the gun concealed), goes bang every time you pull the trigger, and is a compact package.

There is one other gun that I shoot better than the Glock, and that is the CZ-75BD in 9mm. It's larger, heavier (all steel), but the trigger is like butter and it is just easier to hit with fast. The "D" Model has a decocker, so I consider it superior to the regular CZ-75.


78 posted on 05/18/2011 2:41:26 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: jda

For later read...:)


79 posted on 05/18/2011 2:41:47 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Holen1
For about a thousand dollars a S&W .50 cal. will that Yugo into a tank. Start building up those arm muscles now, with the double action you’ll need them!

I think you mean the .500 S&W Magnum. A little bit much for a newbie, don't you think? I have a 8 3/8" .460 S&W Magnum (same frame, faster boolits) and it's not any more of a handful than most .44 Magnums. The sheer mass and shock absorbing grip really eats up a lot of the recoil. The noise, however, is another issue. I wouldn't want to be at the indoor range that allowed this round to be fired with plugs and muffs.

80 posted on 05/18/2011 2:43:55 PM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: jda

1911. Ideal starter gun and you never need anything else.


81 posted on 05/18/2011 2:45:42 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Osage Orange

I don’t think we’re talking about the same kind of engagements.


82 posted on 05/18/2011 2:45:42 PM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Sounds like lawyers were involved. CYA.

BTW. Works for me, I don not own any guns. Just several firearms.

83 posted on 05/18/2011 2:50:25 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: jda
First self defense gun - .38/.357 revolver is a must. Simple to use, versatile enough to shoot many different loads, very difficult to discharge accidentally, never gets jammed.

Ruger, Taurus and S&W are all excellent. I've got a Ruger Security Six, a S&W 686 and a Colt Trooper. None of them has ever failed to function with any load.

If you are choosing a firearm for the car only, check out the Taurus Judge. It shoots 410 shot shells or 45 long colt. It is a bit large to carry, however.


84 posted on 05/18/2011 2:52:19 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: stuartcr

I agree...nothing against any other mfg’s or the revolver crowd (I have one or two of those on my “to get list” as well)...just like the Ruger SR design. I’ve had it since SuperBowl Sunday...put quite afew rounds through it these last few months and never a problem.


85 posted on 05/18/2011 2:55:49 PM PDT by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

I seriously think I fractured some bones in my hand shooting 350 grain factory loads out of my .500 magnum. Recoil was unreal. my hand hurt for over a month. It actually broke the reticle of my scope loose. Every round I fired I could watch my crosshairs rotating a little more. I wear jack hammer gloves with it now unless I’m shooting lighter reloads.


86 posted on 05/18/2011 2:59:47 PM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: jda
pick up as many guns as you can, both autos and wheel guns

start with the one that feels right in your hand

don't worry about the caliber of the gun you pick up as most frames come in more than one caliber and you are looking for the feel first then the bore size later

my 2¢

87 posted on 05/18/2011 3:01:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: DTogo

+1


88 posted on 05/18/2011 3:01:49 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: snoringbear

Ditto. First gun—get a revolver. Can’t screw it up.


89 posted on 05/18/2011 3:03:26 PM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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To: jda

Kimbe Tac II .45.

A cop talked me into to spending my loot on it and I love it sooooohhhhhh Much!

He had decided to do something I thought sacriligeous.....He ran over 4,000 rounds through it before he cleaned it to test it for reliability.

Scared me to attempt that but I ran 3,000 rounds through mine and only jam. I had slapped the magazine too hard, one to many times and it bent the feed.

Still, tap, tap and chamber the round it kept going, though I did toss the magazine.

I hated cleaning my gun the first time and it took two days. What a mess.

I shot everything through it. Winchester, Hornady, surplus... no problemo.

Worth every penny of the $1,700 I spent and I am getting another later this year.


90 posted on 05/18/2011 3:03:42 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: jda

bttt


91 posted on 05/18/2011 3:04:25 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tolsti2

Yeah, you can’t beat the Glock. I wish I had known before I bought my Ruger 9mm. It’s been a damn nice gun for me, but a bit underpowered. Why the Glock 32 over the Glock 40?


92 posted on 05/18/2011 3:06:27 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: jda

1.) Go to a firing range and rent different kinds until you find some that you feel comfortable with.

2.) Buy the largest caliber weapon you can accurately fire.

3.) Practice.


93 posted on 05/18/2011 3:07:51 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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To: jda
Many people choose a CZ-82 for a car gun.

An excellent Czech gun costs ~ $200.

It can be carried cocked and locked with 13 rounds.

Ammunition is Makarov 9x18 95 gr JHP.


94 posted on 05/18/2011 3:10:44 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: ichabod1

Just the power of the 357sig for me. I coulda gone with either, but tried both and stuff with 357.


95 posted on 05/18/2011 3:12:58 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Silentgypsy

Some jams are not the fault of the weapon as they are the fault of the shooter. For instance, almost any Glock can ‘stove pipe’ if the shooter is limp wristed. IOW a less firm recoil stance (resistance) presented by the shooter. Limp wristing takes some of the energy out of the slide and slows the return.


96 posted on 05/18/2011 3:14:29 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Hacklehead
Something else you need to remember, a beginner can shoot his own fingers off with a 2in when they are in a panic situation.

I'm not a big fan of the .357 but a 4 in stainless .357 would be my choice.

97 posted on 05/18/2011 3:16:35 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: jda

In the end the best post will be the one that says this:

Go to a local dealer. Pick out a bunch of them. Go to the ranch and shoot them.

If you can carry it, shoot it straight, and it will go bang every time you pull the trigger; thats the gun you want.

A gun that doesn’t fit your hand or that gives off too much recoil to aim straight, or if you cannot hold it up....it is just a piece of metal the commies want to take away from you.


98 posted on 05/18/2011 3:17:10 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: jda
p.s. i carry a CrimsonTrace Ruger.380 when only wearing shorts and sandals as it is invisible

as i live in a fairly rural area my daily carry gun is a Star.40 that's really not that much bigger than the Ruger

but if i think i need more than that i carry either a S&W M59 or my S&W 4516

all depends on the situation and climate/season

also, think twice before ever leaving any gun in you car unless locked in the trunk, even home...

99 posted on 05/18/2011 3:18:34 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Vermont Lt

Post #93 comes close.


100 posted on 05/18/2011 3:18:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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