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Betting Against the End of the World
The Atlas Society - The Center for Objectivism ^ | May 17, 2011 | Edward Hudgins

Posted on 05/18/2011 1:24:23 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins

Throughout human history and especially in recent centuries, cults of all kinds have predicted the end of the world. You’ve probably noticed that they’ve all been seriously wrong.

The latest such silliness has come from 89-year-old Harold Camping’s Family Radio network of 66 stations. Based on his study of the Bible, Camping calculates that doomsday will be on Saturday, May 21, 2011.

Christianity is particularly prone to such nonsense. After all, the Book of Revelation is all about doomsday, though with details from a clearly delusional mind. The “son of man” appears out of the clouds with a two-edged sword coming out of his mouth: that makes it tough to eat and talk! He has seven stars in his hand: a star is a million miles in diameter and a million degrees at its core, making things pretty hot and crowded on the Earth. You get the picture.

American history is full of cults that saw no future for the world. Starting in 1843, William Miller and his followers predicted a dozen doomsdays. One would think that after the first few predictions failed, followers of the cult would disappear. Remarkably, more such cults and followers followed.

The problem is not only found in fringe Christian sects. The landscape of the twentieth century is littered with the failed predictions from a plethora of mystic and New Age groups. The members of the Heaven’s Gate flying saucer cult, to get ahead of the game, all committed suicide.

Rich Suckers

What is perhaps most disturbing about the adherents to cults that make such failed predictions or, more generally, are as crazy as March hares, is that they are not just the most poor, ignorant, or downtrodden in society.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: armageddon; doomsday; endoftheworld; judgementday
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1 posted on 05/18/2011 1:24:26 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins
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To: Ed Hudgins

May 21, 2011 is going to be doomsday for the ministry of Harold Camping.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 1:27:51 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Ed Hudgins
After all, the Book of Revelation is all about doomsday,

No, it is about the hope of a glorious future that all can share.

3 posted on 05/18/2011 1:29:36 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Ed Hudgins

Anyone who accepts this end-of-=world date please contact me to divest yourself of the material possessions you won’t need after going to your reward. Time is running out.


4 posted on 05/18/2011 1:30:02 PM PDT by luvbach1 (checked your profile)
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To: DarthVader

Told my boss that I wouldn’t be coming in to work Saturday. She said that the world doesn’t end until my shift is over so I still have to show up.

Oh well.....


5 posted on 05/18/2011 1:30:34 PM PDT by dis.kevin (Dry white toast)
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To: Ed Hudgins

“....He has seven stars in his hand: a star is a million miles in diameter and a million degrees at its core, making things pretty hot and crowded on the Earth...”

Oh good grief! This guy must have a mind that cannot process imagery, metaphors, or symbols. He must think it is impossible for there to be 50 stars on an American flag.


6 posted on 05/18/2011 1:30:39 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: dis.kevin

Depends on what time zone you’re in!


7 posted on 05/18/2011 1:33:04 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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To: Ed Hudgins

“But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.”

-Matthew 24:36


8 posted on 05/18/2011 1:33:15 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: luvbach1

Exactly the point of my challenge!


9 posted on 05/18/2011 1:34:02 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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To: Ed Hudgins

Below is a pair of emails I sent to Camping and his marketing people. No reply. Duh.


To: frbillboards@gmail.com; frcaravan@gmail.com; frinterviews@gmail.com
Please see that this message is forwarded to the appropriate people.
It is my intent to allow Mr Harold Camping an opportunity to prove how much he himself believes the words he has spoken to the world.
I am inclined to believe that he is a fraud, and that he will not accept my challenge.

-—— Forwarded Message ——

To: familyradio@familyradio.org; webservant@familyradio.org; webservant@familyradio.org
Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 9:29:48 AM
Subject: A Challenge For You

Dear Mr Harold Camping,

I have a proposal for you.
Please exercise your faith by selling me everything you own for $1.
We can contract it so that I take possession on May 22, 2011.
According to your ‘prophecy’, you and all the other believers will have departed the Earth the day before, so you will have no need for your possessions any longer.

I am dead serious. I want your home(s), car(s), cash, investments, other real estate, contracts, account payable, securities, any position if leadership that you occupy, and any interest in any form of business (sole proprietor, non-profit, corporation).

If you refuse, then I must take that to mean that you don’t really believe your own words to be true, which would make you a false prophet.

Sincerely,


10 posted on 05/18/2011 1:34:51 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be a Pariah)
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To: DarthVader

It’s been pointed out to me that one can sign up to make regular donations to his ministry for month to come—or not come!


11 posted on 05/18/2011 1:35:35 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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To: Ed Hudgins

12 posted on 05/18/2011 1:36:57 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Ed Hudgins
While you're laughing up your sleeves at the religious kooks how about setting aside some snide for the "scientific" cults of global warming, er, um I mean climate change and the Malthusian population explosion or nuclear winter.

The only difference is the scientific cults expect us to pay them for our salvation.

13 posted on 05/18/2011 1:37:16 PM PDT by Pietro
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To: Ed Hudgins
The Center for Objectivism ^

This guy needs a reminder of what Objectivism means. It's fine to have your own opinion (rather impossible to avoid, really), but objective this piece ain't. Childish forms of atheism often put objectivism on a pedestal, but then fail woefully in practicing it.

14 posted on 05/18/2011 1:37:38 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Liberty, not License. Freedom, not Slavery.)
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To: Ed Hudgins
What is perhaps most disturbing about the adherents to cults that make such failed predictions or, more generally, are as crazy as March hares, is that they are not just the most poor, ignorant, or downtrodden in society.

What? it would be less disturbing if only the most poor, ignorant, or downtrodden got roped in?

I don't get it. Anyone who gets sucked into this stuff is a victim.

15 posted on 05/18/2011 1:39:49 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Emperor Palpatine wrote: “But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.”

-Matthew 24:36

And that is the end of this matter. Scripture tells us all we need to know.


16 posted on 05/18/2011 1:41:27 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Pietro

As I posted on the other thread,

Wouldn’t it be something, if by accident he got the date right?

Or, if the date passed, and it turned out to be the next day?

We must always be ready for Jesus...


17 posted on 05/18/2011 1:41:37 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Ed Hudgins

The members of the Heaven’s Gate flying saucer cult, to get ahead of the game, all committed suicide.

So the world DID end for them !
Scary how that works.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 1:41:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: dadgum

What an idiotic waste of time. Did it make you feel better?


19 posted on 05/18/2011 1:43:27 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Smokin' Joe

Since when do Randians care about the downtrodden?


20 posted on 05/18/2011 1:45:27 PM PDT by DManA
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To: dadgum

Maybe he believes his words, but doesn’t know if he’ll get raptured?


21 posted on 05/18/2011 1:47:57 PM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Ed Hudgins
I am currently reading this book. A much different story than Camping's

BTW, this book was written in 1881; you wouldn't believe how accurate it is!

The End of the Present World
 
Reading this book was one of the greatest graces of my life!"
— St. Thérèse of Lisieux

In the late nineteenth century, Father Charles Arminjon, a priest from the mountains of southeastern France, assembled his flock in the town cathedral to preach a series of conferences to help them turn their thoughts away from this life’s mean material affairs—and toward the next life’s glorious spiritual reward. His wise and uncompromising words deepened in them the spirit of recollection that all Christians must have: the abiding conviction that heavenly aims, not temporal enthusiasms, must guide everything we think, say, and do.

When Father Arminjon’s conferences were later published in a book, many others were able to reap the same benefit—including fourteen-year-old Thérèse Martin, then on the cusp of entering the Carmelite convent in Lisieux. Reading it, she says, “plunged my soul into a happiness not of this earth.” Young Thérèse, filled with a sense of “what God reserves for those who love him, and seeing that the eternal rewards had no proportion to the light sacrifices of life,” copied out numerous passages and memorized them, “repeating unceasingly the words of love burning in my heart.”

Now the very book that so inspired the Little Flower is available for the first time in English.

Let the pages of The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life fill you with the same burning words of love, with the same ardent desire to know God above all created things, that St. Thérèse gained from them. Let them also enrich your understanding of certain teachings of the Faith that can often seem so mysterious, even frightening:

  • The signs that will precede the world’s end
  • The coming of the Antichrist, and how to recognize him
  • The Judgment and where it may send us: heaven, hell, and purgatory
  • Biblical end-times prophecy: how to read it and not be deceived

    Jesus commands us to be ever-watchful for his return, and ever-mindful that we have no lasting city on earth. The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life is an invaluable aid to inculcating in your spirit that heavenly orientation, without which true human happiness cannot be found—in this world or the next.


22 posted on 05/18/2011 1:52:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Pietro
I do ridicule the pseudo-science, Gaia-worshipping cult of global warming. See Carbon, Cults, and Control Freaks and Reducing Humans to Carbon Ash
23 posted on 05/18/2011 1:58:30 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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To: Ed Hudgins

I got $100 that says the world will not end on May 21, 2011.

Come one come all.


24 posted on 05/18/2011 1:58:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: DManA

We believe in individual liberty. Thus when government treads on anyone, especially those honestly trying to make their way from poverty to prosperity, we are most concerned.


25 posted on 05/18/2011 2:01:06 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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To: Ed Hudgins

Where is the government in this story?


26 posted on 05/18/2011 2:02:21 PM PDT by DManA
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To: BenLurkin

You’re on. Please provide bank account information so I can deposit the bet.


27 posted on 05/18/2011 2:03:00 PM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: DManA

“Caring” has become such a programmed, choreographed, and scripted thing among those who really couldn’t care less, that it would be almost difficult to tell on camera. Behind the lens, off the record, it becomes patently obvious.


28 posted on 05/18/2011 2:15:21 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Ed Hudgins

Why did you post this same story twice?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2721730/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2721734/posts


29 posted on 05/18/2011 2:22:22 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Yes, it did, actually.

To me it is not idiocy to confront a heretic.

I am only one, but at least I did something.


30 posted on 05/18/2011 2:30:15 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be a Pariah)
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To: DManA

So that more folks can see and read the piece, of course.


31 posted on 05/18/2011 2:34:05 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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To: Ed Hudgins

What time, though, and in what time zone?
That’s the only complaint I have against Mr Camping.
Such matters ought to be regulated by the Feds, doncha think?


32 posted on 05/18/2011 2:34:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dadgum

Actually he is a heretic. The good news is he has left himself absolutely no way out so his heresy ends Sunday. (or not)


33 posted on 05/18/2011 2:34:44 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Pietro
The only difference is the scientific cults expect us to pay them for our salvation.

I presume you would not quibble with the term "pseudo-scientific" to describe these cults.

And religious is what they are. Carbon credits==indulgences. Cute trick for a bozo who flunked out of divinity school, methinks.

34 posted on 05/18/2011 2:41:54 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Ed Hudgins

I really can’t believe any end-of-the-world prediction if it doesn’t involve zombies.


35 posted on 05/18/2011 2:44:43 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Revolting cat!

Couldn’t Mr. Camping just check God’s calender and clear the matter up for us?


36 posted on 05/18/2011 2:48:26 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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To: Ed Hudgins

Bad form.


37 posted on 05/18/2011 2:55:49 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I keep paraphrasing that quote from Matthew for my fearful friends who scare themselves with these predictions.

There’s another prediction out that says, according to the pagan Mayan religion, that it’s all over for everyone in 20l2. And these are Christians who believe that!

I think there should be a study done of these types of people!


38 posted on 05/18/2011 3:17:22 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: jda

Mail it to Jim Robinson as a donation to FR.

Thanks!


39 posted on 05/18/2011 3:17:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Ed Hudgins

But wait. I thought the Mayans said it will be Dec 21st 2012. What a quandary!


40 posted on 05/18/2011 3:53:05 PM PDT by Graneros ("Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.")
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To: Ed Hudgins

I thought the world ended when dad caught me behind the garage with a cigar and his favorite bottle of brandy.

I survived. I’ll bet I survive this end of the world, too. I’m good at that. So if God destroys the world on the 21st, I’ll probably hang behind and wait for the next heavenly chariot leaving Earth. There’s cigars to smoke and brandy to drink.


41 posted on 05/18/2011 4:14:36 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: Graneros

What? The Mayans cancelled Christmas 2012!?


42 posted on 05/18/2011 6:51:12 PM PDT by xp38
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To: DManA; Ed Hudgins
Since when do Randians care about the downtrodden?

I'm a "Randian," and not only do I give $thousands to poor, downtrodden people (of my own choosing), but I advocate for them, and help them navigate the byzantine health care system as well. As another Randian, Glenn Woiceshyn, has written, "One byproduct of individualism is benevolence -- a general attitude of good will towards one's neighbors and fellow human beings. Benevolence is impossible in a society where people violate each others' rights [as is built-in to the structure of the collectivist state]."


43 posted on 05/18/2011 7:56:20 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("The concept of individual rights is so new...most men have not grasped it fully to this day."-Rand)
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To: FreeKeys

I can’t disagree with anything you say. I have a friend who considers himself a Randian who interprets these things completely differently.

He sees no difference between greed and self interest. Obviously you are self interested but not greedy.

Self interest is constructive. Greed is destructive.


44 posted on 05/18/2011 8:09:36 PM PDT by DManA
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To: FreeKeys

David Kelley who founded The Atlas Society wrote a book entitled “Unrugged Individualism: The Selfish Basis of Benevolence.”


45 posted on 05/18/2011 8:33:08 PM PDT by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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To: Ed Hudgins

That article is even more inane than Campimg’s false “prophecy”.


46 posted on 05/18/2011 8:45:36 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ed Hudgins

Hey Camping, it can’t happen yet you freakin’ dipstick! It’s way too early. Plus there is no such thing as “the end of the world”, just the end of the age. Grow some balls and go through it with the rest of us.


47 posted on 05/18/2011 8:52:19 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: Ed Hudgins
21st? HALLALUAH!

The 23rd is my wife's next dental appointment; I won't have to pay the dentist after all!

Unfortunately, too many events have not yet come to pass that MUST occur prior to the glorious return of Jesus for this to be anything but the "work" of a delussional person.

Camping has ignored far too many scriptures to put any credence, let alone faith, in his "calculations'.

48 posted on 05/18/2011 9:32:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: Revolting cat!

It is my understanding that Camping is basing all of this off of the date on which he thinks Jesus died, and the number of days since then.

So going along with his calculations, Jesus died at 3PM. Jerusalem’s time zone is 7 hours ahead of New York City, so that means 8AM. Although, 3PM figure is an approximation.


49 posted on 05/19/2011 4:46:20 AM PDT by BaBaStooey ("Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light." Ephesians 5:14)
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To: Erasmus
"I presume you would not quibble with the term "pseudo-scientific" to describe these cults"

The problem is they eminate from real universities and petition our real government for policies that will have major implications.

The doomsday cults in our religious community make for amusing side notes in the daily news; the, as you call them "pseudo-scientists", are in league w/ self-serving politicians working to control our daily lives.

One's funny, the other's not.

50 posted on 05/19/2011 5:57:29 AM PDT by Pietro
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