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The Pimp and The Poster (Mod Lecture Series)
FR | Admin Moderator

Posted on 05/19/2011 8:28:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

In the ancient city of London, on a certain autumn day in the second quarter of the sixteenth century, a boy was born to a poor family of the name of Canty.. oh wait, that’s not how this goes. Let’s try again.

Imagine for a moment an old farm on the edge of the interstate. This farm has been a part of the community for years. All of the farmer’s friends love to come to the farmer’s house for meals and conversation. Sometimes, the farmer’s friends like to put up a sign on the land, right along the interstate, when election time comes around, asking people to vote for their favorite candidate. Other times, they have put up signs welcoming soldiers home. The farmer welcomes this and beams with pride that he has this land that he can let his friends do this.

Then one day, a new neighbor moves in nearby. He decides that the farmer’s land is a great spot to put up a billboard for his business so one day, he starts putting up billboard after billboard all along the farmer’s land. Sure, it is great land, and he has seen others put up signs before, so what’s the harm? Before you know it, the farmer’s land is covered with billboards. The worst part, the new neighbor never even asked the farmer if he could put up the signs or what signs were OK. Did the farmer only want short signs, tall signs, brown signs? The neighbor didn’t care to ask, nor did he care what the farmer thought. He only knew that the farmer’s land was next to the interstate and he wanted it.

Thus is the tale of The Pimp and The Poster.
It seems there has been a lot of conversation about what we consider ‘pimping’ versus acceptable in the “Bloggers” forum. If this tale didn’t get to the point, we’ll make it a little simpler. The difference between The Pimp and The Poster is one comes here solely for the purpose of ‘cross-linking’ and the other comes here to be part of the community. Cross-linking or as some put it ‘pimping’ is the use of one site’s reputation with search engines or popularity for the purpose of advertising your website. If you search for advice on how to promote your site, you’ll see thousands of articles recommending this. Many of these sites and articles actually recommend Free Republic as one of these sites because of its instant high rankings for Google results. We even found several conservative sites recommending this. For example:http://constitutionclub.org/2011/05/10/some-sage-advice-for-the-conservative-blogger/
So it comes down to intention. Do you want to use the site for free advertising or do you want to be part of the community?

Original Content
Something that has popped up a lot is blogs not posting original content. For example, a blog may take a video from Fox News, post it on their site with no commentary, and then post it in the bloggers forum as their own. If the content is not your own or original to the blog it is posted on, post to the original source only. Exceptions to this can be made if the blog provides unique commentary on it, such as critical analysis or debunking.

What about the Pimp Busters?
One thing that seems controversial are members who have decided to become Pimp Busters. While not everyone agrees with what they do, we actually saw some value in keeping the leash a little longer for them. Unlike popular myth, mods don’t like zotting people. We want to keep members. Sometimes when new members show up they may not know the ropes and think this is just another site they can cross-post on. The pimp-busters have acted in a way, like a gauntlet to weed out the spammers from people who want to be part of the community. We attempted to have a Free Republic ‘welcome wagon’ where new members were shown the ropes and welcomed into the community. This backfired. Personal squabbles followed those who wanted to be part of the welcome wagon and ‘pimps’ simply ignored them. The Pimp Busters seemed to pop up shortly after. Consider them a trial by fire. Is your skin thick enough to stand the debate here? Are you here to just spam or be part of the community? How people react to others gives a good sign as to their intention. Most pimps who have been zotted were either because it was obvious they were spammers, posting dozens to hundreds of articles with no replies. Others showed their true colors and got nasty with members. The untold story is the far greater number of new members who passed through the gauntlet and have become active participants. Are the Pimp Busters mods or have any official power? No. They are members like any other.

News versus Blogs?
Another question comes up often as many bloggers seem to think that they are news-worthy. This also applies to posting from other blog sources. This can be a touchy subject because the MSM is often less trustworthy than those who comment on them. To keep this simple, we look at a few guidelines. If it is based on a blog platform (Blogger, Wordpress, etc) but not affiliated with a major news site, it should be considered a blog first and depending on the subject or author, you can ask for it to be moved. If it is a site that anyone and their grandmother can sign up to write for with no indication of their actual knowledge, such as The Examiner, it is considered a blog. If it not unique news but simply a commentary on other news by someone not noteworthy, it should be considered bloggers. News should be left to articles that are new and/or noteworthy. If you feel as though you found a blog article that meets that criteria, post it in bloggers and write a note to the mods to see if they will move it. Being nice about it goes a long way to.

As always, it is best to just ask. We can’t answer every note that comes in just because we can get overwhelmed, but we do try. We hope that answers some questions for this week.


TOPICS: Announcements; Free Republic
KEYWORDS: adminlectureseries; blog; bloggers; blogpimp; dontpimpyourblogonfr; freerepublic; lecture; lore; mod; modlectureseries; pimp; pimpbusters; series
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you for the clarifications.

BTTT


51 posted on 05/20/2011 4:59:56 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Admin Moderator
To recap in a haiku:

Clear Friday morning,
Admin Mod remind us all:
"Thou Must Not Blog-pimp."

52 posted on 05/20/2011 5:13:37 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: shibumi

We could use a good mascot. Those dogs (That dog?) fits the bill.


53 posted on 05/20/2011 5:15:21 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: humblegunner
In the case of blog pimp flameouts, I have a better analogy.

The blog pimps are like someone who sneaks into the farmer's cornfield and puts in a marijuana patch.

And when the farmer finds the patch, pulls the plants out by the roots and tosses the plants into the neighbor's yard, the neighbor gets all mad and calls the cops to complain.

With predictable results.

54 posted on 05/20/2011 5:38:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Admin Moderator; humblegunner; stolinsky
HG, the Mods see your work as valuable. Sign me on the PimpBusters Clan.

Stolinsky, there's a lot for you to learn here. You became nasty, and all I threatened to do was eat your children.

55 posted on 05/20/2011 5:43:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Well crafted analogy. Very informative and entertwaining.


56 posted on 05/20/2011 5:48:32 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Admin Moderator

Your explanation of the pimpbusters is powerful and important.

Thank you.


57 posted on 05/20/2011 5:50:34 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: thackney; 50mm; humblegunner; shibumi; Larry Lucido; Eaker; Allegra; Salamander; ...

58 posted on 05/20/2011 5:56:17 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

Outstanding!


59 posted on 05/20/2011 5:57:50 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: eastforker
Those Twains are riding kinda close if you ask me!

Indeed they are, I think she needs a twaining bwa.

60 posted on 05/20/2011 6:02:26 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: Admin Moderator; humblegunner; Eaker; Allegra; TheMom; TheOldLady; 50mm; Larry Lucido; ...
Very well stated.

However, stay tuned for....

Blogpimper III: Rise of the Sockpuppets!

Every blogger will create his own personal sockpuppet to post his excerpts. "But I can't post the article, I didn't write it! Ignore the arm coming out of my behind!"

61 posted on 05/20/2011 6:03:34 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: TheRightGuy

Groan! (LOL!)


62 posted on 05/20/2011 6:04:04 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Admin Moderator

I still think if you put in a restriction that won’t allow posting articles until you’ve made 100 replies most of the troll, pimp and noob vanity problems will go away all by themselves. Heck, even 20 would fix half of them.


63 posted on 05/20/2011 6:05:29 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: shibumi
Some dogs are more cultured than others...


64 posted on 05/20/2011 6:06:51 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Larry Lucido

We’ve had that. We’ve also had pimpers post sockpuppet accounts to respond to their own posts praising themselves. And for one site, create dozens upon dozens of new accounts day after day and when one gets zotted, pull up another and start pimping again.


65 posted on 05/20/2011 6:07:46 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Well written, very clear and extremely helpful for everyone involved. Thanks for putting this up and I have it bookmarked for future reference.

Cheers!


66 posted on 05/20/2011 6:08:00 AM PDT by Bean Counter (If Obama is the answer, how stupid was the question??)
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To: Admin Moderator
And for one site, create dozens upon dozens of new accounts day after day and when one gets zotted, pull up another and start pimping again.

Would you share which site that was?

67 posted on 05/20/2011 6:26:10 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Admin Moderator; Pacothecat
Most pimps who have been zotted were either because it was obvious they were spammers, posting dozens to hundreds of articles with no replies.

I've actually had posts deleted when I pointed out that a certain blog pimp, specifically pacothecat makes post after post that is nothing but a link to a blog, yet never, ever comments on posts or replies to these postings.

I copied him with this post, yet I'm quite confident that he/she will never see or notice it.

68 posted on 05/20/2011 6:45:09 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Excellent work, AM.


69 posted on 05/20/2011 6:49:36 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL!


70 posted on 05/20/2011 6:51:25 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TheOldLady

Aw. That was so poignant, I think I’m going to cry.


71 posted on 05/20/2011 6:54:56 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: zeugma

Perhaps a probation period would be in order.
It floors me that people will join up and post articles without hanging around and posting comments for a while.

Then again, I have maybe 2 threads posted and nearly 100k comments.


72 posted on 05/20/2011 6:55:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: trisham; 50mm

It’s doggerel, but that’s about all a blog pimp is worth.

The lovely graphic was made by 50mm, who stuck my silly poem on it and elevated it beyond its aspirations. ;-)


73 posted on 05/20/2011 7:01:37 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady; 50mm
It's beautiful.


sob

74 posted on 05/20/2011 7:09:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: paulycy

Oh, I missed your post, sorry, Pauly.

Thank you, but I just messed with one of my favorite tunes, and 50mm put it on the blog pimp background for me.


75 posted on 05/20/2011 8:21:33 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

I didn’t notice a problem! 50mm is a good guy.


76 posted on 05/20/2011 8:23:12 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Man, Hal Holbrook has been doing his “Mark Twain Tonight” gig for eons. I’m 64, and remember my mom taking me to see him around 50 years ago, when I was a young’n...


77 posted on 05/20/2011 8:34:46 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: EternalVigilance

Heh heh heh! ROFLOL!


78 posted on 05/20/2011 8:40:41 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: humblegunner

Ha ha. I like it.


79 posted on 05/20/2011 8:42:59 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Admin Moderator
We’ve also had pimpers post sockpuppet accounts to respond to their own posts praising themselves

Lol. We've suspected stuff like that sometimes. How lame.

80 posted on 05/20/2011 8:46:29 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Admin Moderator
We’ve also had pimpers post sockpuppet accounts to respond to their own posts praising themselves.

That's ironic.

There have been several blogpimps who were convinced all the pimpbusters were actually the same person.

81 posted on 05/20/2011 8:52:50 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Lazamataz
"You became nasty, and all I threatened to do was eat your children"

There was that little bit about the acetylene torch, but why quibble?
82 posted on 05/20/2011 9:03:15 AM PDT by shibumi (Ego Nunquam Ubi Sub Ubi!)
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To: shibumi

Don’t forget the part about the complete elimination of his bloodline.


83 posted on 05/20/2011 9:06:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh. yeah - you’re reich.


84 posted on 05/20/2011 9:10:04 AM PDT by shibumi (Ego Nunquam Ubi Sub Ubi!)
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To: humblegunner
all the pimpbusters were actually the same person.


85 posted on 05/20/2011 9:12:38 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; humblegunner

86 posted on 05/20/2011 9:14:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Lazamataz

Humblegunner is legion!


87 posted on 05/20/2011 9:17:35 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

It’s easy for AI-Laz to be humblegunner.
Just plug in the Netgear humblegunner module, $15.88 at Best Buy.


88 posted on 05/20/2011 9:58:31 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner; Markos33
Now I’ll have that tune running through my head all day.

Good thing there is nothing else going on in there!

89 posted on 05/20/2011 10:27:35 AM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Eaker

Man, everytime I see that tagline of yours I can’t help but laugh.


90 posted on 05/20/2011 10:30:38 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Lincoln posted his original Gettysburg Address here but excepted it.


91 posted on 05/20/2011 1:45:47 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: 50mm
We're dogs?

Jim's own personal kennel of bloghounds. ;-)

92 posted on 05/20/2011 1:52:50 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (The stench of dependency is a sickening smell. Strive to become an asset, not a liability.)
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To: Eaker

Those Yankees, always trying to make a buck!


93 posted on 05/20/2011 2:35:30 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: knews_hound

A long long long time ago I use to post articles I wrote about the UN and stuff. Once in a while I found something deep in the UN site not mentioned anywhere and posted that.

Ah, the good ol’ days. lol.

I also posted funny stuff, in full of course, like when I wrote the “Wonderous Willard of Oz” parody just after the Clinton admin ended.


94 posted on 05/20/2011 6:36:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: EternalVigilance

L O L !


95 posted on 05/21/2011 1:37:22 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Admin Moderator; JedEckert2000; Starman417

Do you want to use the site for free advertising or do you want to be part of the community?

- - - -

Has any consideration been given to setting some limits to those only posting blog excerpts and not replying or participating on other threads?

Some examples:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:jedeckert2000/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:starman417/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


96 posted on 05/25/2011 12:23:50 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Pan_Yan
That would be counterproductive.

Posting history is always a red flag on individual threads, but really it is just a reminder to always consider the source(and the poster). All reading and posting here had a start date.

If I had to quantify, I would estimate I post replies on less than 1% of the threads I actually read.

I have “originated” less than ten articles.

On a related topic, but who is humblegunner?
Is he/she after my VK thread killer title belt? lol!

97 posted on 06/15/2011 5:13:01 PM PDT by sarasmom (God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy....)
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To: sarasmom; humblegunner
That would be counterproductive.

I don't see that at all. Making new members post 20 replies before they could post articles would stop a huge amount of space wasting garbage.

On a related topic, but who is humblegunner?

Humblegunner? He's the self styled Blogger Overlord, leader of the Pimp Busters. They attempt to regulate the dozens of bloggers who fantasize about being the next Allahpundit or Michelle Malkin or Andrew Breitbart and look to generate hits for their websites by spamming Free Republic.

98 posted on 06/15/2011 5:31:39 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Looks like he/she is banned now.

And I don’t agree with your litmus test of “20 replies before posting”.

My “Marine” will be home soon after having served active duty tours in two combat zones.
His “sign up date” would be later this year, if he cares to participate on this forum.
He might be willing to share experience based information or just his personal opinions that all of us could benefit from reading.

Frankly, I hesitate to direct his attention here.
Jim does a really good job of laying out the “rules” on the homepage of this website.


99 posted on 06/15/2011 7:06:55 PM PDT by sarasmom (God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy....)
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To: sarasmom; humblegunner
Looks like he/she is banned now.

(snort)

100 posted on 06/15/2011 7:19:13 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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