Skip to comments.The Pimp and The Poster (Mod Lecture Series)
Posted on 05/19/2011 8:28:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
In the ancient city of London, on a certain autumn day in the second quarter of the sixteenth century, a boy was born to a poor family of the name of Canty.. oh wait, thats not how this goes. Lets try again.
Imagine for a moment an old farm on the edge of the interstate. This farm has been a part of the community for years. All of the farmers friends love to come to the farmers house for meals and conversation. Sometimes, the farmers friends like to put up a sign on the land, right along the interstate, when election time comes around, asking people to vote for their favorite candidate. Other times, they have put up signs welcoming soldiers home. The farmer welcomes this and beams with pride that he has this land that he can let his friends do this.
Then one day, a new neighbor moves in nearby. He decides that the farmers land is a great spot to put up a billboard for his business so one day, he starts putting up billboard after billboard all along the farmers land. Sure, it is great land, and he has seen others put up signs before, so whats the harm? Before you know it, the farmers land is covered with billboards. The worst part, the new neighbor never even asked the farmer if he could put up the signs or what signs were OK. Did the farmer only want short signs, tall signs, brown signs? The neighbor didnt care to ask, nor did he care what the farmer thought. He only knew that the farmers land was next to the interstate and he wanted it.
Thus is the tale of The Pimp and The Poster.
It seems there has been a lot of conversation about what we consider pimping versus acceptable in the Bloggers forum. If this tale didnt get to the point, well make it a little simpler. The difference between The Pimp and The Poster is one comes here solely for the purpose of cross-linking and the other comes here to be part of the community. Cross-linking or as some put it pimping is the use of one sites reputation with search engines or popularity for the purpose of advertising your website. If you search for advice on how to promote your site, youll see thousands of articles recommending this. Many of these sites and articles actually recommend Free Republic as one of these sites because of its instant high rankings for Google results. We even found several conservative sites recommending this. For example:http://constitutionclub.org/2011/05/10/some-sage-advice-for-the-conservative-blogger/
So it comes down to intention. Do you want to use the site for free advertising or do you want to be part of the community?
Something that has popped up a lot is blogs not posting original content. For example, a blog may take a video from Fox News, post it on their site with no commentary, and then post it in the bloggers forum as their own. If the content is not your own or original to the blog it is posted on, post to the original source only. Exceptions to this can be made if the blog provides unique commentary on it, such as critical analysis or debunking.
What about the Pimp Busters?
One thing that seems controversial are members who have decided to become Pimp Busters. While not everyone agrees with what they do, we actually saw some value in keeping the leash a little longer for them. Unlike popular myth, mods dont like zotting people. We want to keep members. Sometimes when new members show up they may not know the ropes and think this is just another site they can cross-post on. The pimp-busters have acted in a way, like a gauntlet to weed out the spammers from people who want to be part of the community. We attempted to have a Free Republic welcome wagon where new members were shown the ropes and welcomed into the community. This backfired. Personal squabbles followed those who wanted to be part of the welcome wagon and pimps simply ignored them. The Pimp Busters seemed to pop up shortly after. Consider them a trial by fire. Is your skin thick enough to stand the debate here? Are you here to just spam or be part of the community? How people react to others gives a good sign as to their intention. Most pimps who have been zotted were either because it was obvious they were spammers, posting dozens to hundreds of articles with no replies. Others showed their true colors and got nasty with members. The untold story is the far greater number of new members who passed through the gauntlet and have become active participants. Are the Pimp Busters mods or have any official power? No. They are members like any other.
News versus Blogs?
Another question comes up often as many bloggers seem to think that they are news-worthy. This also applies to posting from other blog sources. This can be a touchy subject because the MSM is often less trustworthy than those who comment on them. To keep this simple, we look at a few guidelines. If it is based on a blog platform (Blogger, Wordpress, etc) but not affiliated with a major news site, it should be considered a blog first and depending on the subject or author, you can ask for it to be moved. If it is a site that anyone and their grandmother can sign up to write for with no indication of their actual knowledge, such as The Examiner, it is considered a blog. If it not unique news but simply a commentary on other news by someone not noteworthy, it should be considered bloggers. News should be left to articles that are new and/or noteworthy. If you feel as though you found a blog article that meets that criteria, post it in bloggers and write a note to the mods to see if they will move it. Being nice about it goes a long way to.
As always, it is best to just ask. We cant answer every note that comes in just because we can get overwhelmed, but we do try. We hope that answers some questions for this week.
Thank you for the clarifications.
Clear Friday morning,
Admin Mod remind us all:
"Thou Must Not Blog-pimp."
We could use a good mascot. Those dogs (That dog?) fits the bill.
The blog pimps are like someone who sneaks into the farmer's cornfield and puts in a marijuana patch.
And when the farmer finds the patch, pulls the plants out by the roots and tosses the plants into the neighbor's yard, the neighbor gets all mad and calls the cops to complain.
With predictable results.
Stolinsky, there's a lot for you to learn here. You became nasty, and all I threatened to do was eat your children.
Well crafted analogy. Very informative and entertwaining.
Your explanation of the pimpbusters is powerful and important.
Indeed they are, I think she needs a twaining bwa.
However, stay tuned for....
Blogpimper III: Rise of the Sockpuppets!
Every blogger will create his own personal sockpuppet to post his excerpts. "But I can't post the article, I didn't write it! Ignore the arm coming out of my behind!"
I still think if you put in a restriction that won’t allow posting articles until you’ve made 100 replies most of the troll, pimp and noob vanity problems will go away all by themselves. Heck, even 20 would fix half of them.
We’ve had that. We’ve also had pimpers post sockpuppet accounts to respond to their own posts praising themselves. And for one site, create dozens upon dozens of new accounts day after day and when one gets zotted, pull up another and start pimping again.
Well written, very clear and extremely helpful for everyone involved. Thanks for putting this up and I have it bookmarked for future reference.
Would you share which site that was?
I've actually had posts deleted when I pointed out that a certain blog pimp, specifically pacothecat makes post after post that is nothing but a link to a blog, yet never, ever comments on posts or replies to these postings.
I copied him with this post, yet I'm quite confident that he/she will never see or notice it.
Excellent work, AM.
Aw. That was so poignant, I think I’m going to cry.
Perhaps a probation period would be in order.
It floors me that people will join up and post articles without hanging around and posting comments for a while.
Then again, I have maybe 2 threads posted and nearly 100k comments.
It’s doggerel, but that’s about all a blog pimp is worth.
The lovely graphic was made by 50mm, who stuck my silly poem on it and elevated it beyond its aspirations. ;-)
Oh, I missed your post, sorry, Pauly.
Thank you, but I just messed with one of my favorite tunes, and 50mm put it on the blog pimp background for me.
I didn’t notice a problem! 50mm is a good guy.
Man, Hal Holbrook has been doing his “Mark Twain Tonight” gig for eons. I’m 64, and remember my mom taking me to see him around 50 years ago, when I was a young’n...
Heh heh heh! ROFLOL!
Ha ha. I like it.
Lol. We've suspected stuff like that sometimes. How lame.
There have been several blogpimps who were convinced all the pimpbusters were actually the same person.
Don’t forget the part about the complete elimination of his bloodline.
Oh. yeah - you’re reich.
Humblegunner is legion!
It’s easy for AI-Laz to be humblegunner.
Just plug in the Netgear humblegunner module, $15.88 at Best Buy.
Good thing there is nothing else going on in there!
Man, everytime I see that tagline of yours I can’t help but laugh.
Lincoln posted his original Gettysburg Address here but excepted it.
Jim's own personal kennel of bloghounds. ;-)
Those Yankees, always trying to make a buck!
A long long long time ago I use to post articles I wrote about the UN and stuff. Once in a while I found something deep in the UN site not mentioned anywhere and posted that.
Ah, the good ol’ days. lol.
I also posted funny stuff, in full of course, like when I wrote the “Wonderous Willard of Oz” parody just after the Clinton admin ended.
L O L !
Do you want to use the site for free advertising or do you want to be part of the community?
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Has any consideration been given to setting some limits to those only posting blog excerpts and not replying or participating on other threads?
Posting history is always a red flag on individual threads, but really it is just a reminder to always consider the source(and the poster). All reading and posting here had a start date.
If I had to quantify, I would estimate I post replies on less than 1% of the threads I actually read.
I have “originated” less than ten articles.
On a related topic, but who is humblegunner?
Is he/she after my VK thread killer title belt? lol!
I don't see that at all. Making new members post 20 replies before they could post articles would stop a huge amount of space wasting garbage.
On a related topic, but who is humblegunner?
Humblegunner? He's the self styled Blogger Overlord, leader of the Pimp Busters. They attempt to regulate the dozens of bloggers who fantasize about being the next Allahpundit or Michelle Malkin or Andrew Breitbart and look to generate hits for their websites by spamming Free Republic.
Looks like he/she is banned now.
And I don’t agree with your litmus test of “20 replies before posting”.
My “Marine” will be home soon after having served active duty tours in two combat zones.
His “sign up date” would be later this year, if he cares to participate on this forum.
He might be willing to share experience based information or just his personal opinions that all of us could benefit from reading.
Frankly, I hesitate to direct his attention here.
Jim does a really good job of laying out the “rules” on the homepage of this website.