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Report: Hincapie tells feds Armstrong used PEDs
AP ^ | 5/20/11 | Stephen Wilson

Posted on 05/20/2011 4:20:35 PM PDT by Vision

NEW YORK (AP) — A report by "60 Minutes" says George Hincapie, a longtime member of Lance Armstrong's inner circle, has told federal authorities he saw the seven-time Tour de France winner use performance-enhancing drugs...

Hamilton said he also used PEDs with Armstrong.

Hincapie has often been depicted as one of Armstrong's most loyal teammates and was with him for all seven Tour victories. In an interview last year, Armstrong said Hincapie was "like a brother to me."

Armstrong has steadfastly denied doping...

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To: PGalt

Fair enough. But the Feds are coming.


51 posted on 05/21/2011 7:24:17 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I coached a junior team in the 80’s. Hincapie was a monster of a rider even then. I always had the impression he was a decent guy.


52 posted on 05/21/2011 7:41:23 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Vision
Fair enough. But the Feds are coming.

Good. Bring it, FEDS. If the evidence is overwhelming and they get a conviction, I'll reassess my opinion. Fair enough.

53 posted on 05/21/2011 8:44:27 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Hot Tabasco

I fear you are correct.


54 posted on 05/21/2011 10:20:08 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Vision

I don’t care what anyone says. Armstrong is still the best cyclist of all time.


55 posted on 05/21/2011 10:27:43 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: sargon
To be honest, we don't even know of the Hincapie information is accurate. There were anonymous sources who claimed what he said. He refuses to confirm it. From the article:
Later, Hincapie released a statement through his attorney: "I can confirm to you that I never spoke with '60 Minutes.' I have no idea where they got their information. As I've said in the past, I continue to be disappointed that people are talking about the past in cycling instead of the future. As for the substance of anything in the '60 Minutes' story, I cannot comment on anything relating to the ongoing investigation."
Hincapie has been implicated by other people in doping, but has never confessed. I'm not sure why there is a grand jury, because as far as I can tell there is nothing illegal about performance-enhancing drugs. But he'd have to have been careful, because if he DID testify, then anything he said now could be used to get him for perjury.
56 posted on 05/21/2011 1:28:12 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Revolting cat!
Bad. Cheryl will now divorce him!

The never married and broke up years ago.

57 posted on 05/21/2011 1:34:45 PM PDT by SeeSac
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To: Vision

Can someone explain to me what we gain from this? This is all for a fraud investigation really? It seems almost like they are creating the fraud to then punish. None of the sponsors would have any claim to being defrauded or not having got their money’s worth without these investigations now well after the fact.

I am a fan of Lance’s and very much want to believe that he was clean. If he wasn’t then so be it, I wouldn’t care too much if he were a normal athlete that I liked. He is not. Livestrong appears to be a very good charity. To destroy Lance is to destroy Livestrong. I think that is a very bad thing and I don’t see how anyone can see any good from it that outweighs that bad.


58 posted on 05/21/2011 7:05:20 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: SeeSac

From now on try reading comments that to you appear uninformed, as being tongue in cheek. You’ll have more fun!


59 posted on 05/21/2011 7:13:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!
From now on try reading comments that to you appear uninformed, as being tongue in cheek. You’ll have more fun!

Can't see that as tongue in cheek. Sorry.

60 posted on 05/21/2011 7:20:51 PM PDT by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

No apologies necessary (I’m blushing.) It’s just my style - no sarcasm tags!


61 posted on 05/21/2011 7:24:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Liberty Valance

No... Armstrong is the best Tour de France rider of all time.

Eddy Mercx is the best cyclist of all time - their records don’t even begin to compare.


62 posted on 05/22/2011 6:57:23 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: Liberty Valance

Sorry - Merckx. Need to proofread...


63 posted on 05/22/2011 6:58:44 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: Revolting cat!

I thought it was funny...


64 posted on 05/22/2011 7:00:26 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: green iguana
Agreed. 60 minutes spent an hour trying to bury Lance tonite. He must have spent too much time riding with Bush and wounded Warriors for them to attempt this kind of character assassination.
65 posted on 05/22/2011 7:28:54 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: dfwgator; Red Badger; omega4179; rockvillem; Retired Greyhound; golux; grey_whiskers; ...
CAUTION - contains candid materials and hard truth!

Well, here it is The full story on testimony from Hamilton, Hinacpie and more

66 posted on 05/23/2011 7:52:04 AM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: rockvillem
At this point the guy is retired and never tested positive - if he used PEDs so be it, but why on earth are our tax dollars being used to investigate his conduct?

Because Congress wants to show that everybody is a fraud except for them.

67 posted on 05/23/2011 8:04:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Baynative

Why, after all these years, is this happening? Does he need money? Book deal? Movie deal? I’m not fully convinced...................


68 posted on 05/23/2011 8:10:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven............)
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To: golux
Shall we shame Merckx now?

As Merckx was busted for doping at least 3 times I think and has publicly recanted, he's "safe." Of course Indurain used EPO too; no way a 6'3" guy gets over the Pyrenees like he did without some blood boosting.

What sets Lance apart is that he had the best team doctors and scientists at his beck and call to monitor EPO (and now I guess testosterone too) levels and keep his hematocrit under the magic 50% line. (Or whatever they allow.) You can boost red blood cells and oxygen uptake via altitude training and oxygen tenting. Not as quickly as EPO or CERA will do it, but it is still quite effective. It's not by accident that the USOC training facility is in Colorado Springs.

I've always sort of told myself (also as a former Cat 2 racer) that EPO was different. Heck, Amgen who is the main sponsor of the Tour of California makes EPO! - anyway, boosting red blood cells is something different to me from steroids, testosterone patches, amphetamines and the grisly practice of transfusions.

Is it really? No, not really. But when your livlihood is based upon success, and race organizers get off on absurd routes and ultimate pain (See this year's Giro for proof that's not changing), what do you expect?

Eliminate the insane 20+% dirt road grades, the 150 mile torture routes through mountain passes, shorten the Feb-Nov season and then maybe they'll convince the pros to stop the doping.
69 posted on 05/23/2011 9:31:53 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: Baynative

Well Bay, Hincapie has said nothing in public and his grand jury testimony hasn’t been released, so what he may have said is not certain at this point.

As to Tyler, here’s the UCI’s official response to his commentary on 60 minutes:

Press release - UCI rejects allegations made by Tyler Hamilton

Date:
23.05.2011

Description: The International Cycling Union categorically rejects the allegations made by Mr Tyler Hamilton, who claims that Lance Armstrong tested positive for EPO during the 2001 Tour of Switzerland and had the results covered up after one of his representatives approached the Lausanne laboratory responsible for analysing test results from the event.

The UCI is deeply shocked by the seriousness of the allegations made on the “60 Minutes” programme aired by US television network CBS, and by the extent of the media interest in the case, and wishes to state once again that it has never altered or hidden the results of a positive test.

The allegations of Mr Tyler Hamilton are completely unfounded. The UCI can only express its indignation at this latest attempt to damage the image of cycling by a cyclist who has not hesitated to abuse the trust of all followers of cycling on several occasions in the past. At no time did he see fit to inform the UCI of the events he claims to have witnessed ten years ago, and which he is now using in his attempt to harm the UCI.

The UCI can only confirm that Lance Armstrong has never been notified of a positive test result by any anti-doping laboratory.

Aside from the fact that no legal action may now be taken in respect of events that occurred in 2001, the UCI also wishes to point out that in doping cases it must abide by the rules of evidence; any statutory or scientific evaluation must necessarily be made on the basis of the rules, knowledge and detection methods available at the time.

Once again, the UCI wishes to state that no manipulation or cover-up has occurred in respect of its anti-doping procedures. The UCI will continue to defend its honour and credibility by all means available, and reserves the right to take any measures it deems necessary against Mr Hamilton or any other person.

The UCI confidently awaits the results of the inquiry being conducted by the US justice system. It hopes that the investigations may be concluded swiftly and the truth ascertained, so that the sport of cycling may be spared further unnecessary damage.

UCI Press Office

So the UCI says: “Tyler, You Lie!”

But we knew that, didn’t we.


70 posted on 05/23/2011 9:44:32 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Baynative

How did he pass over 500 tests and never get caught once? This is bad for him. I hope it is not true. If Hinacpie has indeed testified against Lance, backing up Hamilton, then I afraid it might be over for Lance? I do not see how he can keep denying and keep denying, when more and more people are coming out against him?

Just curious why the Feds are so interested in this? Someone mentioned on another thread that the sponser at the time, the USPS, makes this a federal issue?


71 posted on 05/23/2011 9:52:43 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
How did he pass over 500 tests and never get caught once?

Because the usage of EPO isn't like taking a conventional PED like steroids. For many years, EPO was unknown to the testers. When they became aware, the way to bust a user was to measure his red blood cells as a ratio. If that ratio went over a set limit (say, 50%), he was busted.

(By raising red blood cells, one increases his ability to oxygenate one's blood, providing a rather large advantage in endurance events.)

When users are very careful and have done all the science and employ their own doctors and scientists to keep on top of things, the user only uses enough to keep his levels just under the max allowed. Those close to pro cycling would say that every top pro rider has used EPO in the last 15 years many times. It's viewed as no worse or different from oxygen tents, which acheive the same desired effect - and which the UCI thought of banning at one time.

There is a newer sort of synthetic EPO called CERA which allowed users to control their counts better, but it's now easily seen in blood testing. Then there are the transfusers who store up their blood and infuse it back into themselves to increase blood volume and therefore, RBC counts again.

Every now and then, you have real idiots like Vinokourov who transfused his FATHER'S blood into himself.

And yes, the Feds are interested because of other types of issues, all tangential (and arguably more important) than the doping itself.
72 posted on 05/23/2011 1:45:51 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: rawhide

I should further note that some of the high profile busts (like Ullrich) have never actually been confirmed in tests, but rather in the paper trail and circumstantial evidence. Evidence that would NEVER fly in the US.

Also, the UCI has Armstrong’s blood dating back something like 8 years. They do keep trying new tests on it, but so far have come up with nothing.

Also,the pro peleton today has a thing called the “passport” which is a measure of all kinds of blood/urine related things that they have to get “updated” all the time, all year long. So say you’re a pro and your hematocrit is measured at 43% in January. You can’t then spike it to 48% in July and simply say, “hey, I’m under the UCI legal limit,” no, because you spiked 5% somehow and you cheated. They measure all that stuff, like testosterone levels and all sorts of natural hormones and chemicals – and you have to stay within a narrow band in all your tests, in and out of competition, 365 days/year.

Wanna bet they’re still “cheating” somehow though?


73 posted on 05/23/2011 1:53:23 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: whattajoke

Vinokourov did not infuse his father’s blood. That was just an ‘urban’ myth.

He heard about this myth and once joked “I assure you that if I had infused my Father’s blood I would have tested positive for vodka!”

I really appreciate these cycling threads. Do you suppose anyone might step up to manage a pinglist? Maybe I could do it.


74 posted on 05/23/2011 2:44:22 PM PDT by golux
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To: rawhide; green iguana; Red Badger
Ekimov rejects Hamilton's allegations!
75 posted on 05/23/2011 9:26:14 PM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: nutmeg; whattajoke; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; Drango; glorgau; Cecily; ..
"A former teammate of Hamilton's with the U.S. Postal squad, Ekimov was extremely irritated by Hamilton's detailed allegations on ''60 Minutes'' that Lance Armstrong and other team leaders encouraged, promoted and took part in a doping program on the way to winning the Tour de France a record seven times.

''The main point is just the total disappointment of people that you used to work with and then all of a sudden you see their real faces,'' Ekimov told The Associated Press on Monday...
''They're liars.''

76 posted on 05/23/2011 9:32:51 PM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: golux; nutmeg
"...By the way - will there be a Tour de France pinglist this year?
Are there any Freepers who might be willing to manage a cycling / roadie pinglist?..."


Check this with FReeper Nutmeg who previously managed a pinglist for those interested in cycling topics...

77 posted on 05/24/2011 8:19:00 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Baynative

A shot across the bow eh?


78 posted on 05/24/2011 3:59:53 PM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: Baynative
Bring Ekimov to the grand jury and find out his story. We're way beyond the he said he said stage.
79 posted on 05/24/2011 4:08:20 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Vision

You’d have to be an idiot to go to that grand jury. It is clearly looking for the “right” answers, and if you disagree with the story, even if you aren’t lying, you’ll end up being charged with perjury based on the testimony of the others.

Because no way they’ll ever go after the confessed liars and cheaters for perjury when those guys gave them the answers they expected and wanted.


80 posted on 05/24/2011 9:08:54 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Blue Jays

The USA is swirling around the toilet bowl and Congress has nothing better to do with their time?

Nero writ large.


81 posted on 05/25/2011 5:50:18 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Never underestimate the power of government to distort markets)
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