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In Iowa, Cain says he sees a redeemable America in crisis
Colorado Independent ^ | 05.22.11 | Lynda Waddington

Posted on 05/22/2011 10:36:49 AM PDT by GonzoII

CEDAR RAPIDS — America is facing some massive problems, said Herman Cain, and it’s time for politicians and elected officials to be honest about the magnitude of what is before the nation.

Cain highlighted seven separate areas that need to be addressed — a moral crisis, an economic crisis, an energy crisis, an entitlement spending crisis, an immigration crisis, a national security crisis and a deficiency of leadership crisis in Washington, D.C.

“Now, we have other problems, but those are our seven crises — and I stopped at seven because it has sort of a Biblical significance. I like Biblical significance,” he said.

“Those are the seven biggest crises that we face. But here’s the good news: We can face them, and they aren’t going to face themselves.”

While most presidential candidates attend Iowa events with a box of swag comprised of bumper stickers, pamphlets and sign-up sheets for supporters, Cain came to Cedar Rapids with two items — a small tri-fold brochure with a detachable and mailable card for those wanting to donate to his Presidential Exploratory Committee and a 20-page, full-color brochure that lists that contains mini white papers on each of the crisis areas he’s identified. Pages three through 17 of the document, which measures roughly 3 inches wide by six inches long, contains only one photograph amid page after page of text.

Many of the problems before America, he notes, have plenty of “low-hanging fruit” ideas that could begin a move in the correct direction.

“If you think about it, there are a lot of simple and good ideas that come to Washington, D.C. and die because of liberal ideology,” he said.

If elected president, Cain said one of his first self-imposed jobs would be to jump-start the economy — “the biggest thing that we have got to turn around.” Toward that end, he would lower the nation’s highest level of corporate taxes from 35 to 25 percent.

“We are the only country in the world that has not lowered its top corporate tax rate in 15 years,” he said. “How dumb is that?! … And we wonder why jobs are leaving this country. It is all about the tax structure, that’s why jobs are leaving this country.”

Tax rates for America’s highest individual earners, he said, should also be reduced, the Capital Gains tax rate should be taken to zero, and taxes on employers and employees should be taken to zero for a year.

“I know that the liberals are going to say, ‘All you want to do is give tax breaks to the rich.’ That’s their usual class-warfare rhetoric,” he said. “But, you know, when Herman Cain becomes President, I’m going to make a breaking news announcement to all of America: It’s OK to succeed in America.”

And, when the tone has change, Cain says he plans “to put a bow around it” by making his new lowered tax structure permanent.

“We have to get this uncertainty off of this economy,” he said. “I plan to get Congress to do this in the first 90 days of my administration.”

Other items of note in Cain’s brochure:



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“A critical component of improving education in our country is to decentralize the federal government’s control over it. … Another way we can put kids first is to offer school choice as a real option for educational competition. This means expanding school vouchers and charter schools.”
1 posted on 05/22/2011 10:36:53 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

I like what I see,The leftie bats were going off the edge on C-Span this morning commenting on Mr Cain.


2 posted on 05/22/2011 10:43:49 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: GonzoII

Many questions about Cain need answering before I support him.


3 posted on 05/22/2011 10:46:38 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: GonzoII

Cain just keeps saying things that make sense.


4 posted on 05/22/2011 10:47:58 AM PDT by gleneagle
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To: Paperdoll
Indeed Paperdoll...

I am not convinced the republicans are going to put forth a candidate that has the ability to beat BO...rather are they willing to let BO take the heat for a fall’en nation and come in thereafter? I do believe both parties are looking at who is going to take the blame when the bottom does fall out. If it looks to the Democrats to have gone too far to “rescue” will they plan themselves for Obama’s demise? An illness or whatever to prevent his running that will be palatable to his base.?...and this at the last minute.

5 posted on 05/22/2011 10:54:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: GonzoII

I think Cain is a new world order socialist in drag. New information about his supprt of the bailouts and his belief that is a good theing that the government own banks so it can make a profit.

That is fasism.


6 posted on 05/22/2011 11:02:54 AM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: GonzoII
I think Cain is a new world order socialist in drag. New information about his support of the bailouts and his belief that is a good theing that the government own banks so it can make a profit.

That is fascism, and fascism is socialism

7 posted on 05/22/2011 11:03:38 AM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: stockpirate

Did Ron Paul come up with that one?


8 posted on 05/22/2011 11:09:52 AM PDT by RockinRight (It was crowded under Obama's bus BEFORE he threw 13 million Jews under it.)
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To: stockpirate

First of all, its spelled Fascism.

It’s interesting how anyone who acknowledges that capital flows around the world, and who understands that you can’t ignore the rest of the world when considering economic questions and business, is branded a “new world order socialist” by those who long to return to isolationism, which by the way was always anti-American, and always anti-intellectual anti-objective thought.

Second of all, if you think Herman Cain is a fascist, then you are obviously either a few beers short of a six-pack, or a liberal democrat troll plant.


9 posted on 05/22/2011 11:14:24 AM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: RockinRight

If something is true the source doesn’t matter, but nice try, a C for effort.

I’m not a Paul suporter, still open to every choice, let’s vet them all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol45PnAIFRU

Video description: “I politely attempted to question Herman Cain on his support of the TARP Bailout and tried to obtain his opinion on the fact that billions of American Tax Payer Dollars went to Foreign Banks... As a Tea Party member who is deciding on who I should support for the Republican Primary I was shocked to hear him say “That’s too long of a question to answer” Mr. Cain seems very protective of the Federal Reserve and their secretive financial transactions.. He has lost my vote...”

Herman Cain in his own words:

“Wake up people! Owning a part of the major banks in America is not a bad thing. We could make a profit while solving a problem. But the mainstream media and the free market purists want you to believe that this is the end of capitalism as we know it.” -Herman Cain, re: TARP, 2008

Seems Cain loves the bailouts http://washingtonindependent.com/68578/yes-palin-backed-the-bailouts

Herman Cain is a pro-Fed, pro-bailout.

Don’t be caught voting for an originally-bailout-supporting, flip-flopping faker.


10 posted on 05/22/2011 11:16:23 AM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: stockpirate

“As a Tea Party member who is deciding on who I should support for the Republican Primary I was shocked to hear him say ‘That’s too long of a question to answer’ “

Wow I have to admit I’ve heard more shocking things in my life than “That’s too long of a question to answer.”

When this person encounters the abbreviation “etc.” in books and periodicals are they sent into cardiac arrest?

How do they survive the inevitable “to be continued” at the of of some episodes of popular television series?

I would submit the cited Tea-Party supporter should grow a thicker skin to remain in the Tea-Party than their current aversion to incidental discontinuities seems to indicate is the case presently.


11 posted on 05/22/2011 11:27:00 AM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: NYCslicker

Sorry for the typo, and I actuall misuused the term fascism......

So you favor the government owning GM, OIG, and Ford, Burger King, McDonals, the NY Yankees. Because if they did they could use the profits to help us out of this mess. Becasue if what Cain said is true then he sure does. My question is where do you draw the line as to which business to own and which ones get to operate as a free company?

Look at all of the loot the communists/socialists could get from the oil companies if only we took the over. Well actually the government owning the company’s isn’t really fascism, which I not only misspelled but misused, it’s communism when th egovernment owns a business or part of the business, so my bad for thinking he is a fascist, he’s more of a scoislist.

See my tag line, it’s there to help stupid people understand what we are fighting, so there’s your sign.


12 posted on 05/22/2011 11:29:38 AM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: caww

Frankly, I agree that the GOP will not pick a winner deliberately, as they did in ‘98. I do not trust the RNC and I haven’t since ‘92. My hopes are with the Tea Party, but, as I’ve said before, there is something about Cain that doesn’t feel right to me. I do feel much better about one who has not yet announced, and that is Michelle Backman. It’s going to take a pile of dough, and since the RNC will not back a winner, it will be up to the electorate to fund her sufficiently to carry on a viable campaign. However, what she says should stimulate that support.
Then all we have to stand against is vote fraud.


13 posted on 05/22/2011 11:41:51 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: stockpirate

You make some good points:

“So you favor the government owning GM, OIG, and Ford, Burger King, McDonals, the NY Yankees.”

No I don’t favor that.

“Because if they did they could use the profits to help us out of this mess. Becasue if what Cain said is true then he sure does. My question is where do you draw the line as to which business to own and which ones get to operate as a free company?”

We should draw the line at no tolerance for the government owning businesses, and then after that you figure out what parts of the government can be eliminated and/or de-governmentalized.

“Look at all of the loot the communists/socialists could get from the oil companies if only we took the over. Well actually the government owning the company’s isn’t really fascism, which I not only misspelled but misused, it’s communism when th egovernment owns a business or part of the business, so my bad for thinking he is a fascist, he’s more of a scoislist.”

I actually don’t think he’s a fascist or a communist. I think there are a lot of people that supported those moves in 2008 that wouldn’t support them now, and would like to disavow supporting them then. This may include Cain.

On another branch of this line of reasoning however, the media likes to skip the fact that Fascism essentially grew out of socialism in Germany. Fascism did not grow out of free-market classical liberalism (by which I mean modern Republican free-market financial conservatism.) It is often skipped over in the media’s rush to brand all free-market purists as Nazis, that fascism requires a socialistic surrender of the self at its beginning. So Nazism and Stalinism grow out of the same tree of socialist collectivism. With Nazism the perfection of the philosophy is self-sacrifice to the state and to the race, or the mythical idealized race, and with Stalinism the perfection of the philosophy is self-sacrifice to the state and to the “people” as an mythical idealized entity. Notice that both philosophies share the brotherhood of the concept of grinding the individual to unrecognizable fodder in the engine of collectivism and self sacrifice.

So the current dialectic between Nazism on the one extreme and Stalinism on the other extreme is a false dialectic set up by the majority of media outlets, meant to obscure the more important contrast, the real contrast between collectivism and individual liberty.


14 posted on 05/22/2011 11:42:38 AM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: NYCslicker

You know, the ones with the highest IQ are often the ones with the lowest common sense


15 posted on 05/22/2011 11:46:23 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: Paperdoll

I just am not happy with how things are playing out thus far. Though there are some good speaker candidates I cannot see most as being able to turn things in our country around. It is not going to be enough to be popular or simply like a candidate who knows how to stroke our backs and make us feel better. Our country is in serious trouble and what is ahead is not going to be a cake walk by any means. Who has the stuff that will be needed?


16 posted on 05/22/2011 11:47:05 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Well, that is an interesting theory, but who is in power when it does collapse will have more control over which direction country goes at that time, might not even have elections


17 posted on 05/22/2011 11:47:32 AM PDT by mel (o fFR monthly...Do You?????)
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To: Paperdoll

Often that’s true, but not always.

Interesting statement but not backed up by reasoning on your part to any extent.

What exactly do you disagree with?


18 posted on 05/22/2011 11:48:35 AM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: GonzoII
And we wonder why jobs are leaving this country. It is all about the tax structure, that’s why jobs are leaving this country.”

I disagree.

Regulation is to taxation as 10:1 in the job exodus.

19 posted on 05/22/2011 11:49:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: Jim Noble

Regulation and taxation are two heads of the same monster.


20 posted on 05/22/2011 11:51:29 AM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: Paperdoll

I like Bachman....and she does have some expereince in Washington dynamics. But not so sure she can be tough enough where toughness will matter.

We’ve got The S. American Issue with Venzuela...and the hightened events in the ME in constant motion...the “Universalism” push driving events as well...and the deep propblems in our own country. It’s going to take an in your face Pres. to stand against what’s coming...who at the same time can be diplomaticc when called for.


21 posted on 05/22/2011 11:57:45 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

You are right. It’s going to take someone with an open line to God Himself to turn our country around. It will take a mono mental amount of correct moves to turn our ship of state which is headed for complete destruction. Just saying the things the people want to hear will not do it. Never before have we needed to examine each candidate minutely before making a decision. And with the government owned media that examination will be sorely challenged.


22 posted on 05/22/2011 11:59:21 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: Jim Noble

It sounds like under the fair tax we would be paying exponentially more than we do now. Tax deductions are necessary for things like mortgage interest payments, charities, business expenses, and losses. Paying 23% tax on food, home purchases, and utilities would be a real killer for most people. Many states have sales tax, and many have income tax so it only makes sense that an all inclusive Federal sales tax would cause a mass emigration OUT of the country.


23 posted on 05/22/2011 12:11:27 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: caww

Of all the candidates, I think Bahman has the stuff needed to stand up to those problems, although why would she want to if not for the love of her country? Possible candidates are dropping like flies in the face of those problems, either for the love of money, or the lack of self reliance and dedication. There is no tiger like an angry woman. Believe me.


24 posted on 05/22/2011 12:19:23 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: gleneagle
Watched Cain on Chris Wallace's show this am, and I think Cain was walked into a misstatement by Wallace. He was being asked about the debt ceiling and his plan. Wallace said even Boehner is saying they need to make a deal and how could Cain's plan work. Cain's plan was pay the debt, pay for military, pay SS and medicare. Then start cutting from there. But Wallace got Cain to say his own plan would not work because they waited to long. He should have said something along the lines of they waited so long, that there are few options left and my plan is one of them.


Money line from the show was when Wallace asked what Cain would offer the Palestinians to accelerate peace talks. Cain: "NUTHIN!"

25 posted on 05/22/2011 12:35:14 PM PDT by ScottinSacto (If anyone will beat Obama, let's not send just anyone. Cain/West 2012)
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To: ScottinSacto
“NUTHIN” was sure a great answer. Maybe the Cain Plan wouldn't work by the time he could get into the White House but I think he above all other candidates or potential candidates including Romney (barf) could figure it out when he has all knowledge of whats going on
26 posted on 05/22/2011 12:46:06 PM PDT by paul revere is riding
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To: Paperdoll

Many questions? Like is he stil a member of the KKK, get real Sarah Palin has nothing but good things to say about this man.

He is going to make a really dull primary into something we can watch. Daniels is out, Newt is in self destruct mode, T Paw is exciting as watching paint dry. I said a couple weeks ago the next Republican President has not entered the race, whether or not it is Palin and I could be wrong about The Herminator.


27 posted on 05/22/2011 1:11:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: GonzoII

Cain morphed into McCain right before our eyes, endorsing the palestinian right of return.

Fork, pig, done.


28 posted on 05/22/2011 1:16:48 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Paperdoll
That's exactly why I am thinking both parties are determining who's going to take the fall more than who is going to turn this boat around.

I'm not so sure either. that whoever sits in that position of power will have the clout to move any direction of their choosing....hard to steer anything when there is no money....let alone plug the holes. Whoever it is they will not be popular and will look bad most of the time, that is short of God having mercy on our country. It doesn't look to me like He is going to do that...although He certainly is still holding it together somewhat at this point. I think He's going slow to give the American people every inch of time to consider and or re-consider to turn or not.

29 posted on 05/22/2011 1:49:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: Hardraade

Haven’t stayed with Cain on this...are you saying Caine is supporting the Palestinians right of return?.... Because if so then he has NO understanding of the Israel/Palestinian issue at all.


30 posted on 05/22/2011 1:52:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: gleneagle
Cain just keeps saying things that make sense.

Talk is cheap...anyone can play that role and come out smelling like a rose. What's his background in what he stated before his run......that determines much more than what one says now they are in the race and saying whatever itchy ears want to hear.

31 posted on 05/22/2011 1:57:20 PM PDT by caww
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To: Hardraade

I found it...and yes he does support the right of return...but I do question if he really knows what that is about...

Wallace: Where do you stand on the right of return?

Cain: The right of return? The right of return?

Wallace: The Palestinian right of return

Cain: That should be negotiated.

Wallace: You think the Palistinian refugees kicked out in 1948 should have any right to return to Israeli land?

Cain: Yes, they should have the right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make.

Cain might have to wait until he’s elected to know what the experts think about Afghanistan but all he had to to was read yesterday’s newspapers to know what Israel thinks about the right of return. No way.

Netanyahu underscored just how difficult that last issue is alone, declaring that Palestinians will not be allowed to settle in Israel as part of any peace plan.

“It’s not going to happen. Everybody knows it’s not going to happen”, he said. “And I think it’s time to tell the Palestinians forthrightly it’s not going to happen.”


32 posted on 05/22/2011 2:01:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: Hardraade
Wallace:...” You think the Palestinian refugees kicked out in 1948 should have any right to return to Israeli land?”

Too bad Wallace didn't mention that it was the Muzzies who told the Palestinians to get out of Israel...so they could push Israel into the sea. Then they kicked them out of Jordon because nobody could control their dreadful and sicko ways...caused everybody problems...just as they do today..and that is not going to change. That's why the Arabs won't help them or any other ME country....they're bad news....further they are not about to give up their incubator site for suicide killers....they keep those camps hungry for a reason....

You give the Palestinians a state and you will find death and destruction for all their neighbors.

33 posted on 05/22/2011 2:07:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Thing is, if he doen’t know, he has no place in a run against the WH mullah.


34 posted on 05/22/2011 2:11:18 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: NYCslicker

Your points are very well taken and thank you for the information. There is a difference between the two camps mentioned, National Socialism vs Communism that you may be unaware.

Rather then post it here, I will post the lnk to Von Mises and the paper on National Socialism.

http://mises.org/daily/47

And my point about Cain is if he said “it is a good thing to the government to banks so the government can use the profits to help get us out of this mess.”

So, if this is truly his position then he is in fact a socilist in the communist model. You see A is A and cannot be non A, read my tagline.


35 posted on 05/22/2011 2:42:26 PM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: caww

I watched it and he did not endorse Palestinians Right of Return. He said it was a decision for Israel to make during any negotiations.


36 posted on 05/22/2011 3:09:41 PM PDT by ScottinSacto (If anyone will beat Obama, let's not send just anyone. Cain/West 2012)
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To: Hardraade
Correct... and that is what is concerning for me with the candidates who run...do they understand the Islamic threat against this nation, or are they going to play the appeasement role in how they respond.

Cain appears not to understand the M.E. dynamics or he would not have answered as he did. If he did understand his response would have been more centered and defined, as he does with other statements. This one is critical to our national security but he surely seemed to question even what the “right of return is” just by his hesitation etc.

Unfortunately I do think Barry would gladly go head to head with Cain....and not see him as a threat to his Pres. at all. We can't forget the media is going to give time to “their” favored “republican candidate”....anyone who is NOT a threat to BO...and they will trash everyone who is a threat when they do give them time.

I for one will not vote for the candidate they put forward, and I think we'll be able to tell exactly who that will be.

37 posted on 05/22/2011 3:16:47 PM PDT by caww
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To: stockpirate

A = A.

Also don’t Immanentize the eschaton.


38 posted on 05/22/2011 3:29:09 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: ScottinSacto
Cain:...." Yes, they should have the right to come back....... if that is a decision that Israel wants to make."

Those are his exact words....

do I see a "Yes,...I believe yes is not no or maybe..... they have a right to come back"...????... Of course I do.

Tacking on the rear of that comment..."IF" that is a decision Israel wants to make"...is very telling.... Israel has made that "Decision" already and crystal clear for decades,.... and BiBi just said in his comments to BO..."That is not going to happen, EVERYBODY knows that is not going to happen"..end quote.

It appears everybody knows but Cain...sorry but he does not understand the Israel/Palestinaian situation or he could not have stated it as he did...further coming off BiBi's speech which was also crystal clear..."No return"...zip nada.

You can try and frame that or claim that his comments ment something else but those words clearly revealed he does not know what he is talking about. "Nobody would say yes they have a right to return...except someone who supported the Palestinaians...or...was ignorant of the conflict. Both of which are not favorable for Cain.

National Security matters...Cain failed on this and any candidate better have a strong understanding of that conflict. The nuclear button and who has it matters.

39 posted on 05/22/2011 3:31:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: itsahoot

I have questions about his stand on trade agreements, how fair his fair tax is, his Masonic affiliations, and his thoughts on the monetary system. It is far too early to know if this man who popped up from nowhere is the man for the job. Let us not take an unknown at his word until we get a few answers, and then we can decide if he is, indeed, the best person the country. That is getting real.


40 posted on 05/22/2011 3:37:06 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: Paperdoll

Credentials matter, unlike “present”, in this election. People are not going to settle for otherwise. Trouble is I’m hearing a lot of people unhappy about the choices...it seems those who have the ability are so far not running.


41 posted on 05/22/2011 3:38:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: Paperdoll

Yikes! Is Cain A Mason? Sheesh...this just gets worse!


42 posted on 05/22/2011 3:41:32 PM PDT by caww
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To: NYCslicker

“Also don’t Immanentize the eschaton”

LOL, your point is well taken and Mr. Buckley would approve of what you suggest.


43 posted on 05/22/2011 3:42:36 PM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: Paperdoll

I agree with you.....let’s wait and see and learn more about this canidate.


44 posted on 05/22/2011 3:54:17 PM PDT by mickie
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To: caww

I admire your optimism. God brought us so far, but the people did not resist temptations, and the country has become so corrupt that I cannot blame Him for withdrawing His blessings from us. And Obama coming down so hard on Israel will not win us any points with Him either!

As far as this election is concerned, Let us wait to see if Michelle Bachman announces and hear what she has to say. I do think she definitely has fire in the belly for the race because she truly loves our country and what it stood for in the past. And she does have a record to stand on. When all the cards are dealt, we should know which one to play. Pray that we pick the right one this time. God bless.


45 posted on 05/22/2011 4:01:12 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: caww

Ire ad where on FR that he is a 32nd degree Mason.


46 posted on 05/22/2011 4:05:43 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: stockpirate

Don’t forget Mr. Voegelin.


47 posted on 05/22/2011 4:19:28 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: caww

And another thing.....perhaps most important of all questions: Where does Herman Cain put God in his list of priorities? If it is not first of all, it is not enough. And if he is a 32nd degree Mason, yet has stayed with the program, his God is not my God.


48 posted on 05/22/2011 4:53:00 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: stockpirate

Herman Cain has repeatedly answered the Fed question -

Here Herman Cain addresses the Fed and TARP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI_oocjB3A8

More on Herman’s stance on the Fed

1) Herman Cain is not against auditing the Fed.

2) Herman Cain is an advocate for a smaller govt & he believes that oversight should be done through Congress. Congress already gets testimony & regular reports on the FED, & any oversight/audit would be an extension of their duties. Specifically, the banking committee could perform this duty without the creation of a new govt (committee or presidential commission). Also, Mr Cain has stated that he is a supporter of Congressman Paul’s bill for congressional oversight. Here are several videos where Mr. Cain discusses this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caeNXivEGEg (lengthy discussion by Herman on Fed)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Mqie_h9uU.

http://yourdaddy.net/2011/05/19/herman-cain-interview-by-rusty-humphries-of-640-wgst-atlanta/


49 posted on 05/22/2011 5:08:35 PM PDT by justsaynomore ("I sure wouldn't have taken 16 hours to make that call - and jeopardize that mission" - Herman Cain)
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Wow I guess he’s not perfect.

Well we better just all vote for Obama then. . . .


50 posted on 05/22/2011 5:16:46 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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