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Next Year’s Pennsylvania Tax Return Will Test Your Honesty
CBS News (Philadelphia) ^ | 05/23/2011 | Tony Romeo

Posted on 05/23/2011 7:38:44 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen

Like to shop on the Internet? Do you head to Delaware to avoid sales taxes? Next year’s Pennsylvania income tax forms will test your honesty.

Next year, Pennsylvania’s tax forms will add a “use tax” line requiring you to declare any sales tax you may owe for items purchased from out-of-state retailers.

Revenue Secretary Dan Meuser says you will have to fill in that line. While he admits that for most individual taxpayers, if you fib by entering zero, you’re not likely to get caught, he still thinks the state will collect some money

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1 posted on 05/23/2011 7:38:45 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

So if you put a 0 in that line, does it mean you’re not being “patriotic”?


2 posted on 05/23/2011 7:43:05 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..")
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To: Kid Shelleen

We have that in Assachusetts. They have no way to track it. Remember, it’s the government we’re talking about here. They can’t even wipe their butt correctly.


3 posted on 05/23/2011 7:43:42 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Kid Shelleen
While he admits that for most individual taxpayers, if you fib by entering zero, you’re not likely to get caught, he still thinks the state will collect some money.

I think there should also be a line on the PA tax form for "bribes received," so politicians can test their honesty. While not likely to get caught for fibbing by entering zero, the state might collect some money.

4 posted on 05/23/2011 7:44:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Liberal Jews who vote for Obama deserve the Sharia Law he intends to bring about.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

We have had this in New York for quite a while. Most people are honest and pay what they owe.

I keep a spreadsheet of my internet purchases as I make them over the year.


5 posted on 05/23/2011 7:44:23 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Kid Shelleen

If I purchase anything from an out of state retailer, why should the state collect any taxes on that transaction? Oh yeah, I forgot ... all my money really belongs to them, doesn’t it?


6 posted on 05/23/2011 7:44:54 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Kid Shelleen

Illinois sent me a “volunteer” form several years ago, I pitched it in the trash and haven’t seen another one since.


7 posted on 05/23/2011 7:45:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

All of my purchases are done through an offshore subsidiary of me based in the Caymans, so no tax is owed.


8 posted on 05/23/2011 7:48:43 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Kid Shelleen

Not enough people are ready to quit enabling and practice tough love on their troubled government.


9 posted on 05/23/2011 7:50:20 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (I stand with Israel!)
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USE tax is an unconstitutional interstate tarif.


10 posted on 05/23/2011 7:50:47 AM PDT by webboy45
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I think there should also be a line on the PA tax form for "bribes received," so politicians can test their honesty.

LOL! Good one.

11 posted on 05/23/2011 7:51:50 AM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

The “use tax” is collected so in state retailers are not put at an unfair advantage because they are required to collect sales tax.

The “use tax” states that it is for items that are purchased “out of state” but will be used “in state”.

How can they possibly enforce this?
What if I buy something out of state and send it to someone in another state (so it is not being used in state)?
Am I still required to pay the tax? If so, why?


12 posted on 05/23/2011 7:52:20 AM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: Kid Shelleen

If the sale takes place in State ‘A’, how is it legal/constitutional for State ‘B’ to demand a tax on that sale?


13 posted on 05/23/2011 7:53:58 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: proxy_user
Most people are honest and pay what they owe.

I'd be honest and pay what I owe--which is not one d@mned dime. The government may have the power to take my money, but it has no right to.

14 posted on 05/23/2011 7:54:07 AM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

;-)


15 posted on 05/23/2011 7:54:39 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Kid Shelleen
What if you buy it in DE and use it there exclusively?

Is one really a tax slave to the State of nominal domicle?

16 posted on 05/23/2011 7:56:10 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: proxy_user

Maybe you can answer my question: If a sale takes place in State ‘A’, how is it legal/constitutional for State ‘B’ to demand a tax on that sale?


17 posted on 05/23/2011 7:56:23 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: proxy_user
We have had this in New York for quite a while. Most people are honest and pay what they owe. I keep a spreadsheet of my internet purchases as I make them over the year.

I would DEFINITELY spend hours updating Excel spreadsheets of my out-of-state Internet purchases - if I were aware of the vendors being out-of-state.

Fortunately, I've never noticed where their legal domicile actually is. It's simply never come to my attention.

Now, where was that "Atlas Shrugged" quote again about the State wanting everyone to feel guilty?

Regards,

18 posted on 05/23/2011 7:56:41 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: Peter from Rutland
They have no way to track it.

You get audited. In your letter, they say "bring your credit card statements."

19 posted on 05/23/2011 7:57:04 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Kid Shelleen

My G-d! I spend one-third my day and one tenth my days out of state. I will not keep a ledger of every transaction, nor collate any credit card transaction I make just to pay more taxes. This is intolerable, and begs people to be dishonest.


20 posted on 05/23/2011 8:01:07 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Kid Shelleen
I wonder if they will give you a refund if you enter a negative number on this line. Pennsylvania does not tax clothing. It is one of the reason so many of the mail order clothing places and outlet malls have set up shop here.

But many places that sell clothing and ship it to Pennsylvania still charge a standard rate of sales tax and remit simply because it is too difficult for them to keep track of 50 different state tax laws on what is and isn't exempt.

I think food is the most common exemption, covering 30 or so states. Clothing is exempt in another dozen or so states.

The tax grabbers in Harrisburg should be careful what they wish for. A lot of us in the southwest corner of the state shop in West Virginia or Ohio, but not Delaware.

21 posted on 05/23/2011 8:02:16 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Publius Valerius

They have no way to track it.
**You get audited. In your letter, they say “bring your credit card statements.”**

I throw away my credit card statements after I pay the bill off every month.


22 posted on 05/23/2011 8:03:03 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: Kid Shelleen
Most people will be able to put a zero there with no hassle.

If you are a TEA Party member, or otherwise annoying to the political establishment, expect to be audited on that item.

Atlas Shrugged:

"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after POWER and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.

23 posted on 05/23/2011 8:03:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Publius Valerius

Audit away. Without IP information, they cannot prove your physical locality at the point of purchase. You could have been visiting a friend out of state and used their PC for the purchase.


24 posted on 05/23/2011 8:09:16 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Publius Valerius
You get audited. In your letter, they say "bring your credit card statements."

Is there a law that requires us to keep credit card statements?

25 posted on 05/23/2011 8:13:22 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: proxy_user; WayneS
We have had this in New York for quite a while. Most people are honest and pay what they owe.

I admire your honesty but doubt that most people in New York are honest. Just look at the crooks they routinely elect.

As for the question of WayneS, there really isn't a question of constitutionality here. If I consume a meal at a McDonald's on the New York Thruway, I pay New York taxes even if I'm from Delaware. Even if it is take-out. It doesn't matter because it is a ready-to-eat product subject to the jurisdiction in which it is sold. If, on the other hand, I drive over to Delaware from Pennsylvania and buy a car with the intention of garaging and licensing it in Pennsylvania, our Commonwealth can rightfully claim a use tax under the law. I may not like it, but that's the way it works. If I want to avoid it, I can either move to Delaware, which is perfectly legal, or register and license it under the name of a friend in Delaware, which is considered illegal tax evasion.

That's why, applying the same logic, I should be able to enter a minus amount on this line for internet sales of clothing shipped in from another state on which sales tax is charged.

26 posted on 05/23/2011 8:13:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: PapaBear3625

We have a winner!


27 posted on 05/23/2011 8:42:34 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Kid Shelleen
From Dr. Ferris (Atlas Shrugged):

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt."

28 posted on 05/23/2011 8:48:33 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
If I purchase anything from an out of state retailer, why should the state collect any taxes on that transaction? Oh yeah, I forgot ... all my money really belongs to them, doesn’t it?

Really...I guess in theory, taxes are supposed to be applied because the government is offering some service, or providing some key component of a transaction. but what are they providing in the case of an online purchase? A state address?

29 posted on 05/23/2011 8:52:31 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
So if you put a 0 in that line, does it mean you’re not being “patriotic”?

If you put down $0 you go onto the automatic audit list.

30 posted on 05/23/2011 9:19:51 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: Kid Shelleen

True Christians will have to bite the bullet and be truthful.


31 posted on 05/23/2011 9:23:58 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

That used to be on the Ohio forms but I don’t remember seeing it there this year.I don’t shop online at all all of those Amazon boxes came from a friend....


32 posted on 05/23/2011 11:25:07 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Kid Shelleen; Tribune7

Don’t know if it still does, but I ran into that damnable tax theft back in the late 70’s when I was moved by my company from Delaware to upstate NY. I had a year-old car and in transferring the title got slammed with the NY/County tax rate of 7% of the full value. Delaware had taxed me with a 2% “Luxury Tax” - cars, boats, planes, jewelry, real estate, basically anything over $1000. NY would not credit me with that, as they didn’t consider it a ‘sales’ tax.

Company moved me down to PA in the mid 90’s, and I saved money on all types of taxes, plus my car insurance got cut by 1/3. Time to fire Dan Meuser - it ain’t your money, Dan!


33 posted on 05/23/2011 12:28:12 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


34 posted on 05/23/2011 9:15:14 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: Vigilanteman; proxy_user; WayneS
Remember how John Kerry tried this with his yacht Isabel, avoiding Massachusetts taxes by berthing it in Rhode Island?
35 posted on 05/26/2011 5:19:58 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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