Skip to comments.Zogby Poll: Cain Takes Lead over Romney
Posted on 05/23/2011 9:43:59 PM PDT by Kartographer
Herman Cain leads presumed frontrunner Mitt Romney as the top choice of Republican primary voters in the race for the 2012 Presidential nomination. Among all voters, no one in a list of 13 possible GOP candidates leads President Barack Obama.
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As I said to the guy who made a more intelligent reply, I am disturbed that he hasn’t better prepared himself to run for president. The fact that you want someone no better than Obama is also disturbing. I’d like to elect someone who understands how to get things right this time. I can’t imagine why that’s not important to you.
He fumbled two questions. That’s simply a fact. Your denial of the fact doesn’t change anything.
I get it, you think when I said “Tea Party Conservatives are the ones who dont like the Fed” I meant that the Tea Party “hates him”, meaning Cain.
No, I didn’t say that or mean that.
I’m just saying that that one excellent elite credential that Cain has, being KC Fed Chair, is more appealing to Establishment Republicans and less appealing to Tea Party Republicans. I’m talking about Cain’s elite credential, the Chair of KC Fed, not Cain. Cain has been selling his message to Tea Partiers and they like what he has to say. I’m not arguing otherwise. I’m saying that the elite credential itself, not the man Cain, is appealing to establishment Republicans, and less appealing to tea partiers. I’m not sure how well known the fact of Cain was KC Fed Chair is to tea partiers.
I don't doubt that he's a good man, but I'm very concerned about his not trying to get up to speed on foreign policy before launching a candidacy for the presidency.
Thanks for the heads up!
. Quite honestly Mr. President, your calculations are incorrect, I said. In the competitive marketplace, it simply doesnt work that way.
He’s got my vote...and whatever else I can send him. His bell rings true.
He is a GREAT man...
you claim he has had 10 years to prepare- LOL! you should rally fact check these talking points ya’ll get before you repeat them....I have known him for over 7 years- He has not “prepared” for this campaign for 10 years....
Cain has integrity and is a principle man....I have full faith in his ability to deal with foreign policy- I have full faith he will always come down on the right side.
you are fully entitled to your pauses, and I am glad you bring them up....every candidate should be fully vetted...but be careful on repeating things you don’t know to be fact....
the tactic of using the “elite” term on Cain will not work....throwing him in the same club as Romney will not be effective either...although, I see you and your friends have adopted some of Romney’s tactics! Irony is a thing of beauty, the humor is well received!!!
HE HIT IT OUT OF TE PARK!!!
Face it the one and only reason you are on the Cain thread is in an attempt to support Paul by subversion. Be a PROUD spam monkey and proclaim your love of all things Paul! Tell us how you stand with Paul in denouncing OBL's bullet to the head!
My answer is cuts across the board.
What a lot people don’t understand, even some Ron Paul supporters, is that Ron Paul really isn’t a Libertarian.
He’s an old-timey, traditional Conservative who believes that the Federal Government has gotten way too big, and has grown way beyond the limits that the Constitution has set for it.
Regulating Drugs is just one of many many things that the Federal Government is doing that they shouldn’t be. Worrying about school test scores. That’s what local school boards are supposed to do. And on and on and on. Many many things Ron Paul would get rid of. Some of those things you like, but most of those things you don’t like.
Every President has grown the Government. Ron Paul wants to make it much much smaller, limited to what the Constitution allows. That’s the main pole, the support for the very sturdy, bolted to the floor, diner stool of Conservatism.
9 out of 10 major cuts and abolition of agencies true hardcore conservatives would support. Ron Paul is going the whole way and saying cut absolutely everything.
More on ending the War on Drugs. If the Federal War on Drugs ended, it doesn’t mean that all Drugs would immediately be legal. State Laws are still in place, or they would be put there. Ending the Federal War on Drugs just means that if states want to start making some drugs legal (and I’d imagine marijuana would be made legal in some states) they can. I do not believe that heroin would be legal anywhere.
About Foreign Policy, well, I would say that I personally don’t agree with his 2008 position that we should close all the military bases. He probably does have the same position, but I don’t know for sure.
I think the idea is just for the federal government to scale back it’s foreign policy objectives. Focus on keeping the US safe, and less on making sure every other country does what we want it to do. We really should be getting away from the idea that the US wants some other country to do one thing or another. Maybe we can move toward a “I don’t care what happens” policy. But, I really don’t care all that much about Foreign Policy, actually, except I think Ron Paul shouldn’t talk about it that much.
Also, wanting to close the bases doesn’t bother me, because I’m fully aware that if Ron Paul became President, he couldn’t just close all the military bases. And I’m fully aware that if Ron Paul became President, there is no way that he’d be able to accomplish everything he wants to do. But what won’t happen, is growth of the Government. Everybody will be expecting cuts. And everyone will be howling about the size of those cuts. And everyone will be trying to save this thing or that thing. But it will be all about cuts.
I would recommend thinking not about what would happen if Ron Paul became President and if every Congressman became a carbon copy of Ron Paul. Because not every Congressman will become a carbon copy of Ron Paul.
He’ll have a Senate and a House with a lot a Democrats and a sizeable number of RINOs. Will massive massive cuts pass?
Think just of the direction. Going from what new spending to what new cuts. And that’s the direction I want.
The biggest problem we have right now is the Federal Government does too much. Ron Paul is the one I trust the most to make the necessary cuts, to focus only on reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government.
thanks for your thoughtful and full response...
I think I would like most of Ron Paul would do....I know I would enjoy seeing the rest of DC implode on a daily basis when he sent everything back....
see post 161 about Paul.
No, seriously, I think Cain could have a better shot running as an Establishment Republican (but a Conservative one) than a Tea Party Conservative. He has Palin (potentially), Paul, and Bachmann to get that vote. If he picks the establishment side, he has Romney, Gingrich and a whole bunch of people who aren’t going to win to contend with. It’s the easier side of the bracket.
It’s somewhat serious analysis. Certainly, it’s an outcome I want, because for me, Cain would be an upgrade over Romney, Gingrich and everyone else.
I tired of wasting good photons on you.
You have a good day.
The budget negotiations would be interesting. The “threat to shut down the government” situation would be different with Ron Paul as President. Ron Paul I don’t think would hesitate to shut down the government. If you don’t give me a skillion dollars in cuts, I’m not signing the budget. And that’s that.
Mr Cain is an American, and a Southerner to boot!
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I want some of what you're smoking. It must be good stuff.
I never heard his show, but I always assumed that he talked about both foreign policy and domestic issues. Every talk radio show on politics seems to cover both areas. That's why I was so shocked to see him fumble these questions. Your assurance that he'll be on the right side of things internationally is nice, but I'd like some evidence that he already understands the issues and understands strategies for doing what must be done.
I'm glad that you think he has a good economic vision, but he's never tried to implement any kind of economic vision from an elected office. Executive experience in business is good and relevant, but that experience isn't quite the same as dealing with a legislature.
He seems to be a great guy. I'm still looking for him to say or do things that give me any confidence that he can be a good president. Much of what he's saying is causing me to have less confidence in hm.
It is not a fact. I watched it myself. We are getting to the point where FR isn’t even to tolerable with you and countless other shilling for their candidates and trashing others.
A flub is Newt Gingrich last week completely sinking his campaign in one interview with politically tone deaf statements. a flub is Daniels sinking his potential candidacy time and time again with the truce bullcrap. In the course of interviews no candidate knows everything about everything. Chiris Wallace asked Cain about a specific term that probably 70% of Americans have never even heard, and answered it on the stop based on his best interpretation of the term. I had not heard that term used in years until last week. He should have been ready, yes, but it was a minor blip, at worst.
Who cares? Cain won’t wallow away and write a book.
He will make history and be the first black President.
Herman Cain is a fresh voice for many.
Meanwhile, Romney’s support is a hangover from 2 years ago. What’s he really done in the public eye to get excited about lately? Besides bring us Scott Brown...
Bitter Beer Barry?
HA HA LOL
“How am I trashing Cain?” #88
#89 “Herman Cain cant possibly win in 2012 because
hes not famous enough”.
Anyone know what year it is?
Wow, were you afraid we wouldn’t get your point? Do you think you repeated yourself enough?
Cain’s a completely self-made man and his specialty is solving financial crises in businesses. I know that doesn’t roll off the tongue like “elite establishment”, oh sorry, that’s “Elite Establishment”, but MY assertion happens to be demonstrably TRUE.
Yes he will. They’ll Clarence Thomas him.
Maybe this'll throw some light: White House Adds New Position to Deal with Unfavorable Online Media - and we all know which party the left's useful idiots belong to.
What did you say about Cain that IS accurate? Why do all libertarians insist on joinging with the dems in using fallacious argument to make untruth seem like truth?
I like Malkin too. I also liked Alan Keyes — was very loyal to him in 2000, but he simply lacked the leadership skills, and I refused to admit it to myself at the time. Cain is an outsider, just like Malkin and Keyes. So I’m thrilled. But I’m not counting out Palin either.
Funny thing is that Boortz had a “guy crush” on Newt when the real power house was right under his nose. Talk about bad instincts!
I had predicted wa ... ay back that Newt would flop and that Cain had potential. [Buffing my VRWC decoder ring.]
Romney is kind of like today’s Forbes in some ways. Remember how Forbes spent tons of money and ended up nowhere? I remember [when I was shnookered into having satellite] how Forbes dropped a ton of balloons just before his speech in Iowa [2000 race]. The people kept popping balloons while he tried to talk. It broke his momentum, making him blink the entire time. I laughed myself silly.
“These 5 can win the nomination - Palin, Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Bachmann. [Or The others cant...Republicans dont vote for fresh faces.”
Ron Paul? Nowhere. Romney or Gingrich would need ticket splitters to squeak through. I admire Bachman, but she needs something to happen — a mistake by Cain. She needs to hope that Palin doesn’t enter. Her name is not as well known as you might think. Giuliani was soundly rejected in the past, largely because he doesn’t respect Life. He would have to squeak through with a ticket splitter even more desperately than Gingrich or Romney.
If Palin doesn’t run, the only reason Cain would lose is because of Herman Cain. This is his to lose unless she enters. It was the same as Howard Dean — his primary race was his to lose, and Dean blew it. But Cain strikes me as very self-disciplined. His main stumbling block would be the tax lobby network — like H&R Block, brilliant people who are too comfortable with exploiting the complex tax code. They will try to harm him in a big way.
The reason Cain is rising so rapidly is this:
The conservative movement is much more dynamic now as the information age grows in maturity. A primary cannot be predicted with a static mindset. For example, while some conservatives still stick to dead tree papers, they read columns from people who research online. Radio hosts are building up reputations and forging more influence. FoxNews is doing the same. The radio hosts and FoxNews — all study online intently. This makes primaries much less traditional than in the past.
A strong movement has been forged to block the Ruling Class. This movement is even larger than the Tea Party; it’s not even a formal thing, and it’s bipartizan. I don’t even know if anti-conservative crossover primary mischief is going to happen this year.
just like ?malkin? and Keyes ? No BACHMAN and Keyes.
“Yes he will. Theyll Clarence Thomas him.”
Good point; they will try. I hope he took that into account and is sure that he’s safe on that front.
“Right now, only Sarah Palin deciding to run could derail Cain as the conservative frontrunner.”
I agree. If Palin runs, Cain will have a fight on his hands. Otherwise, this is his to lose. [If he has a scandal or makes a major verbal slip, for example.] In this day and age, people can rise from obscurity if ...
1. They have a strong base that is willing to work hard.
2. They know how to lead and expand that core base.
3. They are mentally prepared and make the right moves well in advance.
Foreign policy experience is important, but the know how to bring this country out of its financial doldrums I feel is even more important.
It’s a lot easier to “negotiate” on the foreign stage as a rich country, than as a poor one.
Wealthy nations can mount a strong defense, and keep their citizens healthy and strong, with the ability to feed them and provide healthcare for them at home. Poor nations don’t really stand a chance now, do they.
ding ding ding! We have a winner :)
The sooner Americans fully understand that politics is about enriching the media and making average people think they have some measure of control, the better off we will be. Then we can get rightfully POd and do something about it.
The Tea Party concept was built upon the frustration that we typically feel when the powers that be who run the system listen not to us, but instead push us into something we don’t want such as amnesty for illegals, or the millions more H1B visas instead of educating Americans, or billions spent in foreign aid while they figure how to cut enforcement of Medicare fraud against their cronies, or wars in Libya, or the perpetual war on terror, or the UAE managing our ports, or average Americans paying more taxes than GE.
Make no mistake the Party elite will be determining the candidates not average Americans. You will get to choose but only what they decide.
I remember the same was said for $4-per-gallon gas a few months ago. The sheeple are more easily conditioned to accept the formerly unacceptable, so long as those in power have an effective propaganda arm to guide their thinking.
Including Paul in ‘can win’ and excluding Cain is denial at best and complete lunacy at worst.
Unless all nations agree to do so simultaneously, the dissolving of a central bank amounts to the economic equivalent of unilateral disarmament.
"End the Fed" is an ignorant slogan, not a solution.
Yes, they will. Yes, Herman is ready. And besides ....
CLARENCE THOMAS WON! (check out biden's shame)
The last Gallup poll I checked, Ron Paul was known by 76% of Republicans, and Cain was known by 29% of Republicans.
The difference between 76% and 29% is the difference between can win and can’t win.
Cain is certainly a fresh face, and the Democrats do elect fresh faces. But the Republicans never elect fresh faces.
My argument is only that Cain isn’t well known enough to win.
And that Republicans only pick well known candidates.
If you want to mention all the unknown Republicans that get the Republican Nomination in the last 50 years, go ahead.
I’m saying Cain isn’t famous enough, that’s all.
The 5 I mentioned all have high name recognition. Bachmann has the lowest of the 5. Cain has name recognition half of Bachmann. He falls short, just not famous enough for 2012.
All you have to do to make your case is find a quote of mine, and tell me where I’m wrong.
Herman Cain has excellent elite credentials. It’s a fact.
He was Chair of the KC Fed. Another fact.
I don’t know what libertarians do.
I’m a Limited Constitutional Government Conservative who wants a much smaller Federal Government.