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Zogby Poll: Cain Takes Lead over Romney
NewsMax ^ | 5/23/11

Posted on 05/23/2011 9:43:59 PM PDT by Kartographer

Herman Cain leads presumed frontrunner Mitt Romney as the top choice of Republican primary voters in the race for the 2012 Presidential nomination. Among all voters, no one in a list of 13 possible GOP candidates leads President Barack Obama.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: backstabberromney; benedictromney; betrayerromney; bigdigromney; brutusromney; cain; dncposerromney; flipflopromney; hermancain; saboteurromney
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To: repub4ever1

Cain has top notch Elite Establishment Credentials. The Fed doesn’t just appoint you Chairman of the Kansas City Fed without their approval. There are plenty of Republicans who look at things like resumes to make their decision, and “2 thumbs up” from the Fed is a very reassuring elite credential.
Cain has the elite resume, and most certainly can compete with Romney for the establishment Republican vote.

Cain is also targeting the Conservative vote with his language, but he has the resume that mainstream establishment Republicans can appreciate. The mainstream Republicans are having problems finding candidates who have appeal.


51 posted on 05/23/2011 10:39:13 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Glad to see you showed up I was worried about you. Thought maybe the Viking Kitties had got you.


52 posted on 05/23/2011 11:05:24 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

But Herman Cain can’t run! He’s black and the Republican nominee, though not yet chosen, is definitely a racist!

Has he been called an Uncle Tom yet? Or does that only happen when you reach a certain percentage in the polls?


53 posted on 05/23/2011 11:05:29 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Cain doesn’t have to worry half as much about the leftist as he does some of his fellow conservatives!


54 posted on 05/23/2011 11:06:45 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: mylife

Not formally in.


55 posted on 05/23/2011 11:08:42 PM PDT by repub4ever1 (Capitalism is not perfect, but it beats all other systems hands down.)
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To: truthfreedom

Baloney. The elites will do all they can to ignore him. They want Romney or Pawlenty, or Huntsman or any of the other liberals they can find to trot out. Cain is conservative. Cain is TEA Party. I don’t know any elites who will have anything to do with conservative TEA Party people.

As for targeting with his language, he has had a radio program for years. His language did not change when he decided to run for office. He has been hammering Obama and talking about conservative methods of solving problems for years. Rush Limbaugh says Cain sounds just like him. That didn’t just happen overnight. He’s been conservative. That puts him light years ahead of anyone who has currently announced their intention to run.

Unlike those who really are establishment clowns, Herman Cain is a conservative and has been for some time. I have no idea why you’ve decided to attack him with this specious argument, but I do suspect some ulterior motive. Stop drinking the Ron Paul bong water, stop trying to cloud the issue, stop trumping up ridiculous reasons to dismiss him, and give Herman Cain a chance to show the world who he really is.

When we decide to eliminate for the silliest reasons those who really do think like us, we should not be surprised when we end up with nothing but RINOs.


56 posted on 05/23/2011 11:16:01 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: mylife

Cain is getting support from people who want a male candidate who can be critical of Obama without fear that he and his supporters will be called racists. I can understand this because we are tired of being called racists whenever we oppose Obama.

Does this mean that our candidate will have to be black or a female? Probably because our other men seem to want to be friendly and sing Kumbaya and differ with Obama on the details while agreeing to the agenda.

Unfortunately, if by some chance, Herman Cain gets the nomination, he will be demonized with racial slurs by black democrats. White voters will be fed the propaganda that voting for Cain is somehow voting against black people.

Cain’s chances are somewhere between nil and none. People will not gamble a Presidential election on someone who has never been elected to any office. If he hasn’t played in the minors and won, how can we trust he’ll perform in the major leagues?


57 posted on 05/23/2011 11:25:12 PM PDT by excopconservative (organize4palin.com (what are you doing to save your country?))
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To: Georgia Girl 2

> Well that will enrage the GOP elites. Rove and Kraut will be in full smear mode by tomorrow night.

True that they are as mad — and boy is it sweet :-)

They can’t crank up their smear machie without having a bland RINO to back, though. And RomneyCare Mitt is a non-starter.


58 posted on 05/23/2011 11:29:03 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: Waryone
Unlike those who really are establishment clowns, Herman Cain is a conservative and has been for some time.

There are some who try to twist Herman Cain into an apologist for affirmative action (an invention which is contrary to Constitutional Conservatism). As far back as 2004, Mr. Cain put that to rest. Like you, I think he's the real deal and is now and has long been true to Conservative principles, both fiscally and socially.

Furthermore, his accomplishments in both business and in academics put him far above the smooth-talking professional politicians. I'll admit to only recently becoming aware of Herman Cain (thanks largely to FR) but what I've seen and heard so far has been impressive.

59 posted on 05/23/2011 11:35:39 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: WFTR
Considering that he’s fumbled two foreign policy questions in the past few weeks, these results are a sad indication of lack of seriousness in the GOP voters.

I disagree. GOP voters and, more particularly, Tea Party members are perfectly aware of what the important issues are right now and the Palestinian "right of return" isn't close to being one of them. We have a political class comprised mostly of people who've never worked in private industry, never had to meet a payroll, never created a single job. These dilettantes understand neither basic economics nor human nature and they are driving this nation into financial ruin.

A man who has built and revived businesses and understands economic reality is a man we need in the White House - whether Cain is that man remains to be seen, but I already like him more than the likes of Romney, who is the epitome of the mindset that has gotten us into the catastrophe we now face.
60 posted on 05/23/2011 11:49:38 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Awesome!


61 posted on 05/23/2011 11:58:31 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: re_nortex

19 percent isn’t bad. Nearest challenger is Chris Christie. Romney got 11 percent with 9 percent unfavourables.

Still a long way to go. They have Cain at 46-38 against Obama, right up with Bachmann.

Romney is at 45-40.

So that’s huge for Herman. He’s only 2 points down of Obama on the ballot, right up there with Pawlenty, Bachmann and Daniels.

He’s got to be considered top tier, and just outpolled Paul against Obama.


62 posted on 05/24/2011 12:08:08 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Kartographer
I understand how upset you must be with Cain getting the stoplight and your candidate no coverage at all.

No, I'm happy that none of my candidates have made these kinds of gaffes. I'm just sorry that so many people don't understand the importance of getting these things right. Ignorance gave us Obama, but ignorance won't get him out of office.

63 posted on 05/24/2011 12:15:13 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Kartographer

Just donated to hermancain.com
If the GOP is trying to hide and downplay him then he must be for real.


64 posted on 05/24/2011 12:15:53 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: Brookhaven
"We’ll at least Romney can be proud he has raised the most money."

The Three Finger Mitt spent the last two years ginning up those bucks so they could be donated at his opening bash. Good PR.

yitbos

65 posted on 05/24/2011 12:27:19 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Kartographer

Great news!!


66 posted on 05/24/2011 12:30:29 AM PDT by CainMutiny
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To: Netizen

I’m glad Christie ain’t running. He’s got too much liberal baggage yet the GOP would push him hard.


67 posted on 05/24/2011 12:30:31 AM PDT by CainMutiny
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I disagree. GOP voters and, more particularly, Tea Party members are perfectly aware of what the important issues are right now and the Palestinian "right of return" isn't close to being one of them. We have a political class comprised mostly of people who've never worked in private industry, never had to meet a payroll, never created a single job. These dilettantes understand neither basic economics nor human nature and they are driving this nation into financial ruin.

A man who has built and revived businesses and understands economic reality is a man we need in the White House - whether Cain is that man remains to be seen, but I already like him more than the likes of Romney, who is the epitome of the mindset that has gotten us into the catastrophe we now face.

The Palestinian "right of return" may not be that important an issue, but foreign policy is always a big issue for the president. Our Founding Fathers intended Congress to take the lead on domestic policy like spending and the regulation that would affect jobs. The executive office was to implement what Congress passed and take the lead in dealing with foreign powers. That's why the first administrations had departments of state and war but not a department of commerce.

Whether we are in more danger from pressing debt and over-regulation or from terrorism and war could be an amusing but pointless debate. Either issue could eventually destroy this country if we don't take appropriate action. I'd like to have a president who understands how to do both things well. If Mr. Cain isn't willing to be that president, he shouldn't be receiving so much support.

Mr. Cain has been out of the restaurant business for over ten years. Even as early as 2000, he was mentioned as someone who might run for president or be a vice-presidential nominee. He ran for US Senate from Georgia in 2004. If he had any remote interest in being president at any time in the past, he could have prepared himself for foreign policy questions. Many experts in this field leave government service and write books about these issues. Any of us can buy and read these books. As a prominent man in Republican circles, Mr. Cain could have requested and received a private audience with many of these experts. They might have specific secrets that they couldn't give him, but they could have taught him the important issues involved in various important regions.

Mr. Cain's fumbling these questions tells me that at least one of a few possibilities must be true. One possibility is that he doesn't understand the importance of presidential leadership in foreign affairs. Getting economic policy right is important, but Congress must play a huge role in that policy. No one but the president can lead on foreign policy, and if Mr. Cain doesn't understand this fact, he shouldn't be president. Another possibility is that Mr. Cain vaguely understands the importance of foreign policy but has failed to make an effort to prepare himself in that area. I'm not sure whether I'm more frightened of someone who doesn't understand the importance or someone who understands but doesn't make an effort to prepare himself. A third possibility is that he's tried to prepare himself in foreign policy but has been ineffective in learning what he needed to learn.

He's had at least ten years to learn these topics. If he's not ready by now, he's not going to be ready to take office in 2013. If he'd fumbled only one question, I'd not be that worried. If he doesn't fumble another foreign policy question for the next seven months, maybe the concern will pass. To see him fumble two questions within a few weeks is a big concern.

68 posted on 05/24/2011 12:38:58 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: excopconservative
"People will not gamble a Presidential election on someone who has never been elected to any office."

A little different from Alan Keyes who lost a couple of elections. But there haven't been two more consistent absolute conservatives.

yitbos

69 posted on 05/24/2011 12:42:15 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Waryone

This is not an argument about who the “elite” likes.

I’m talking about establishment republican voters and what kinds of things establishment republican voters tend to like on their resume. Country Club Republicans, a portion of the Republican electorate.

Cain has elite credentials. There is no disputing that. Establishment Republicans like elites. Cain was the Chairman of the Kansas City Fed. Fed Approved. Establishment Republicans look for those signs of approval of the elite and they think positively of these things.


70 posted on 05/24/2011 1:04:25 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Romneys resume and Cains resume are similar. Romney did have the advantage of a famous political dad.

I think people who could like Romney could also like Cain. A very successful businessman, for certain, with the Fed job, elite approved. People who are Conservative, but worry about rocking the boat too much, establishment Republicans, country clubbers might respond well to Cain.


71 posted on 05/24/2011 1:10:28 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: MacMattico

“Has he been called an Uncle Tom yet? Or does that only happen when you reach a certain percentage in the polls?”

Yep. He had a talk radio show in Atlanta. He stopped since he announced his decision to run for president. He’s been called just about every name in the book. Mostly coming from other black democrats who are still on the Democrat party plantation. There was one really vicious attack from a liberal blogger after his CPAC speech earlier this year. That was really hateful and nasty. Mr. Cain just kept on keeping on. Name calling has not deterred him.


72 posted on 05/24/2011 1:21:05 AM PDT by abcc2011 (Christian and conservative.)
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To: mylife

Howdy! So you like this guy to ehh?


73 posted on 05/24/2011 1:38:06 AM PDT by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: Kartographer

Straight talk beats forked tongue!


74 posted on 05/24/2011 2:37:36 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like With Trump in attendance, Owhat you say))
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To: WFTR

Let me see I don’t recall McCain making many gaffs, but I DO RECALL ‘BAMMY’ making plenty of them (57 States, my muslim faith and so on) and it didn’t seem to hurt ‘Bammy’ do bad now did it. Face it Cain could have knock those questions out of the park andf you still would like him, why? Well I’ll leave it to you.


75 posted on 05/24/2011 4:08:24 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: truthfreedom

Face it RON PAUL is never never ever going to get the Republican nomination.

This is exactly why because Paul backers spend are so obnoxious to people and spend more time knocking down fellow Republican candidates than they do promoting Paul.

When was the last time you posted something about how much you like Paul or how Paul’s postion is this or that on something instead of posting negative stuff on threads about other candidates?

Next to his own positions Paul greatest weakness is the unpleasant and rude behavior of his backers.

How about spending more time tell us why we should back Paul and less time tearing down fellow Republicans.


76 posted on 05/24/2011 4:27:00 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: excopconservative

The only way Zero won his legislative and Senate positions was to smear his opponents until they backed out so he could win by default.

Then he scammed enough idiots into voting for him for Prez. He’s less experienced than Herman Cain and he won.

We need someone who knows how to turn things around. I respect someone who doesn’t claim to know everything about everything and admits his lack of knowledge. A good President is like a good business executive. He knows he can’t do it all but he picks a good team and leads.

Herman Cain is the real deal and instead of sitting around sniping at him we need to help him out. He is absolutely the best choice for the GOP nomination and can and will beat Zero.


77 posted on 05/24/2011 4:37:56 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: mylife

LMFAO. With the pinky nearly extended. He’s such a wanna-be.


78 posted on 05/24/2011 4:40:35 AM PDT by MatD
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To: mylife

LMFAO. With the pinky nearly extended. He’s such a wanna-be.


79 posted on 05/24/2011 4:40:40 AM PDT by MatD
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To: WFTR

BS about ‘fumbling’ two questions. Total BS.


80 posted on 05/24/2011 4:42:06 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Kartographer

I don’t understand why, when I was talking about how Cain, due to his elite credentials, might appeal to establishment Republicans who are currently supporting Romney, you choose to talk about another candidate? Very odd behavior.

I’m noticing that Ron Paul is #2 in New Hampshire behind Romney, since you brought him up. Ron Paul is also #2 in Texas behind Palin. More Freepers would support Ron Paul than Mitt Romney. (Most would support Sarah, if that was a choice).

I’m paying Cain a compliment, by simply pointing out that, because he was Chairman of the Kansas City Fed, establishment Republican voters will appreciate Cain’s elite resume. That’s a good thing. Cain can get more votes for Cain by taking them from potential Romney supporters. I’m saying that Cain has excellent elite credentials. I’m not criticizing Cain.

You seem to want to be arguing with someone else, or against a different set of words.


81 posted on 05/24/2011 4:47:09 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: C. Edmund Wright

If you are referring to the Chris Wallace interview,
Wallace was talking about the Palestinian allegation
of THEIR purported ‘right of return’. THAT is why
Cain was bewildered. It was a FOX-Romney-SOROS trick.

Just another Mitt Romney -Fox/Soros - dirty trick
for which you have fallen.


82 posted on 05/24/2011 4:47:47 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: truthfreedom
You should write comedy.

I think Paul and his backers were summed up pretty well by our own Jim Robinson when he said:
" Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07
83 posted on 05/24/2011 4:56:24 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedumb2003

In before the “Herman Cain can’t possibly win, and we shouldn’t nominate another minority because we did so bad with the last one” bots arrive.


84 posted on 05/24/2011 5:04:28 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Kartographer

I’m talking about how Hermain Cain has an excellent elite resume because he was the Chairman of the Kansas City Fed.

You want to talk about Ron Paul. I don’t see how that’s on point at all.

If you support Herman Cain, which I expect you do, I would think you would gather up this information and make the attempt to try to get votes from Romney supporters, Pawlenty supporters, Daniels supporters. Cain is a successful businessman, just like Romney. Romney’s appeal lies in substantial part in his being a successful businessman. Cain can appeal to the same people (people who like successful businessmen) as Romney. Bain Capital had some failures, and I’m not sure, but I think that Cain had the better record. He can claim that he’s the better businessman. A better businessman means better for the economy. These are all helpful ideas for Cain.


85 posted on 05/24/2011 5:05:10 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

You don’t want to talk about Paul you just want to trash other candidates like Cain spam monkey.


86 posted on 05/24/2011 5:08:58 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Fresh Wind

Its calmed down a lot from how it was over the weekend when the Palin supporters were trashing Cain more than the Paulist.

I have to say at least the Paulist have a horse in the race Palin hasn’t even declared yet.

You ever notice how the Paul backers don’t post threads about Paul they just jump on threads about other candidates and trash them, like that’s going to earn Paul some more supporters.


87 posted on 05/24/2011 5:14:03 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

How am I trashing Cain?


88 posted on 05/24/2011 5:15:14 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Fresh Wind

Herman Cain can’t possibly win in 2012 because he’s not famous enough.


89 posted on 05/24/2011 5:17:14 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Like I said go write about Paul tell us how only Pauk can save us and see where it gets you spam monkey.

Because you aren’t gaining any support for him around here.


90 posted on 05/24/2011 5:19:57 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Sounds as though Cain is...um...Able.


91 posted on 05/24/2011 5:21:05 AM PDT by N. Theknow (The MSM is to 0bama what the Broom-n-Scoop Detail is to a circus parade.)
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To: Kartographer
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN unlike Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama.

92 posted on 05/24/2011 5:25:09 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Kartographer

Cain-Palin would lead to a landslide over Obama.


93 posted on 05/24/2011 5:35:28 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: truthfreedom

you’re not criticizing Cain?

well, you are attributing things to him that are NOT accurate. I happen to know Herman, and it is crystal clear that YOU do NOT know him.....

but good luck on that Ron Paul campaign of yours....


94 posted on 05/24/2011 5:40:03 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: excopconservative
"Unfortunately, if by some chance, Herman Cain gets the nomination, he will be demonized with racial slurs and snarky comments by establishment Republicans by black democrats."

Just a thought. I don't think Herman will be heartbroken over racial slurs. The man grew up in the South and is 65 years old. I think by now he has learned who he is and does not allow others to define him. This is a man who has literally faced death and lived to tell about it (Stage IV colon and liver cancer). He's made of stronger stuff.

95 posted on 05/24/2011 5:46:24 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: eeevil conservative

You forgot to add spam monkey to your post. ;-)


96 posted on 05/24/2011 5:47:07 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: truthfreedom
Herman Cain can’t possibly win in 2012 because he’s not famous enough.

Obama wasn't very famous in 2008, especially when compared to Hillary and McCain. It's a good thing the famous candidate won, because a president Obama would have been a disaster for the country.

97 posted on 05/24/2011 5:49:08 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind
Obama wasn't very famous in 2008

Obama was being talked about as the candidate ever since his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He was very well known in the party and he had an apparatus in place for a long time.

While I agree that he didn't have the same name recognition amongst ordinary people that Clinton did, comparing Obama's situation to Cain is apples and oranges.

98 posted on 05/24/2011 5:57:30 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: WFTR

Foreign policy is Herman’s weakest point.

Many of us here on FREEP know more than our friends and family about history, economy, politics, our rights, how government works(or doesn’t work), etc....

Herman has not spent 10 years preparing to run for President. His name being mentioned as a future candidate is not the same as actually preparing for such or run- or making it a goal that one works towards. I have never known anyone in my life with more integrity than Herman Cain. And I mean REAL INTEGRITY.

It is obvious that he wasn’t familiar with the term “right of return”— but he admitted that clearly on Hannity last night.

What he does have is integrity and principles. He has great Leadership- and he will lead with his principles and integrity.

I am a big fan of Bachman and Palin- but I believe Herman Cain is the BEST person for President. I admit, knowing him personally give me a bit of bias- but there is no doubt that I would rather have a man of principle and integrity in office making decisions than politicos that will govern based on their own self interests- no matter how much more “knowledge” they have on foreign affairs....


99 posted on 05/24/2011 6:01:44 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Kartographer

I thought that would be redundant!

;-)


100 posted on 05/24/2011 6:03:29 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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