Posted on 05/24/2011 1:55:37 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
TUCSON, Ariz. -- According to the lawyer defending the SWAT team that killed Jose Guerena, the Iraq war vet they shot 60 times in a raid was part of a home invasion ring. His family says prove it.
On May 5 members of the Pima County SWAT team were serving a search warrant at the Guerena family home.
The sheriff's department said the home was part of a narcotics conspiracy case.
"The information they had that there was an organization in town, a violent organization that was dealing in drugs, drug rip offs, home invasions," said attorney Michael Storie.
Storie will be representing the five SWAT members who fired more than 70 shots at Jose Guerena, ultimately killing him. Storie says, in Guerena's home, PCSD found exactly what they expected.
"They found body armor, they found guns, they found assault rifles at least a piece of a law enforcement uniform," said
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Storie says it doesn’t matter that Guerena didn’t fire first. He was holding the assault rifle, and raised it to fire rather than drop it when the SWAT team told him to.
Version number ??? Never heard that the team ordered him to drop the gun. Not sure what to believe but after two weeks I would have expected this would have been part of the story by now.
Which is doubtless why the gun had its safety ON.
Sheriff Dipstick says, "Not just Socialism. NATIONAL Socialism."
Cheers!
Exactly.... Wasn’t version 2.0 that, when the SWATters busted down the door, victim was supposedly waiting, in firing position, claiming “I’ve got something for you!”. That version didn’t mention anything about the SWATters ordering him to drop the weapon. Guess that version’s non-operative now.
What a frickin’ tragedy!
This story, plus what I read yesterday that TSA is starting to do pat-downs at HIGH SCHOOL PROMS (of all events) makes me honestly scared for my country!
Yes, violence is often a by product of drugs. But, if there is violence associated with drugs does that mean that everyone living in close proximity to the drug house aren't allowed to defend themselves?
There was a meth lab bust here last weekend but no gun fire even though we have a SWAT team.
So why is Tuscon so different? Could it be because of their past history dealing with crime - aka “catch and release”?
Berlin, you claim to be a conservative Republican temporarily residing in Berlin. Perhaps you should stay there on a permanent basis as I found that the German Polizi tend to be a bit more restrained than many here in the U.S.. Your outlook for the situation being discussed is simply stupid.
“Or do we now have to assume that anyone breaking into our home with a gun IS the police.”
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“Lately, I’m not seeing that it makes much of a difference either way.”
Well, one of the differences would be that the crooks probably won’t shoot your dog.
One other thing about version 4.0 (maybe now a higher version???): SWAT shyster strategy seeming to be focusing on “assault rifles” supposedly “found” in victim’s house (after spraying house with 71 assault weapon bullets!!). I know several Marines who, after serving tours in combat zones where they were intimately attached to their weapons, in civilian life have a very strong affinity to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. Why would it be unusual to find weapons in a recently returned combat veteran’s home? Particularly, if the home was in a higher-crime neighborhood and there was a wife and young children? Guess Stormfuhrer Dupnick has bought into Big Sis’s proclamation that the true terrorists in our midst are not the jihadis but rather our returning veterans.
Enjoy your servitutde brother; you have learned your lessons well.
“”The information they had that there was an organization in town, a violent organization that was dealing in drugs, drug rip offs, home invasions,” said attorney Michael Storie.”
Home invasions.....what a sad irony.
IMHO, your evident addiction to the active ingredients of SWAT unit boot-polish has disabled important critical intellectual faculties that would otherwise protect you from obvious delusions.
So you’re just judgment-impaired, not evil, I reckon.
I’ll pray for you.
My town of 42,000 people has a SWAT Team (a/k/a the "emergency response team). The town next to mine has 33,000 people and it too, has its own SWAT Team. The County Sheriff's Department, which has concurrent jurisdiction in each of these towns, has its own SWAT Team as does the State Troopers, which also has concurrent jurisdiction. In an appropriate case, the FBI and ATF can dispatch SWAT Teams to the area in a matter of minutes. And depending upon the location and/or nature of the incident, the MTA Police, Port Authority Police, and United States Coast Guard, have concurrent juridiction to call in their own SWAT Teams to assist the other SWAT Teams.
Twenty years ago, a single SWAT Team covered the entire multi-county region and was called upon once every year or two. Over the last two or three years, in contrast, multiple SWAT Teams show up at just about every domestic dispute or eviction that involves a person who might (or might not) have a weapon, often making the situation worse than it would have been if two LEO's simply knocked on the door and asked if they can help.
also, crooks would not block the door (from paramedics) for four hours to ‘secure’ the area while the victim bleed to death.
If he was indeed hit by 60 bullets, it is highly unlikely it took him four hours to bleed out.
Not that this justifies the way the cops handled the situation.
The problem is that if people are going to be put into a situation in which they don't know it's the police, then we can expect more tragedies like this to occur. I don't know that the family's explanation is accurate, but it's at least plausible. If SWAT executed a no-knock warrant at my home, "oopsie wrong address", and I didn't have time to figure out that it was the police, I suspect I would be killed too (probably along with the first few cops through the door). We don't know enough to be sure of the truth in this particular case, but we do know that this police tactic has serious issues.
If you are in law enforcement, you then that most magistrates and judges will issue a warrant based on what the police tell them.
They have no idea if the police are being honest about the purpose or intent of the search. It’s merely a piece of paper to give the police qualified immunity from prosecution or civil liability in the event they break the law.
I hope that if it is found that the police are found to have murdered this man as is alleged, they are stripped of immunity. That way, the tax payer won’t be on the hook for a civil suit in the millions.
Turn that around.
If an officer is shot multiple times at a crime scene, will the rush in an remove him to receive medical care or refuse to allow any medical personnel evaluate him?
Why the discrepancy in care or treatment? Dead men tell no tales.
“In this case all they had to do was knock on the door when he was at work”
Or,,, better yet, send some deputies to arrest him while he’s at work! There was abdo-lutely no reason for them to invade his house. Stoopid and unconscionable.
” NO sizable amounts of cash, etc.”
This is the real reason for most of these raids. The cops want the cash. Seizure is the name of the game not law enforcement.
Don’t be too sure about that, if you look long enough you could find something incriminating in everyone’s house.
Body armor and guns are not illegal in most cases and yet they are making them out to be the case.
Just a couple of quick examples of “Incriminating” Items:
Do you have any gasoline or matches stored at your house? They could said to be the tools of an arsonist.
Did you know that some household items have explosive properties – common items like flour? They could be called “Bomb making materials.”
Moreover, we have not even touched on the possibility of the planting of evidence.
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