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Japan: 70,000 more should evacuate after Fukushima: Watchdog
Times of India ^ | 05/24/11

Posted on 05/24/2011 9:25:10 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

70,000 more should evacuate after Fukushima: Watchdog

AFP | May 24, 2011, 05.30pm IST

PARIS: Seventy thousand people living beyond the 20-kilometre no-go zone around Fukushima should be evacuated because of radioactivity deposited by the crippled nuclear plant, a watchdog said.

Updating its assessment of the March 11 disaster, France's Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN) highlighted an area northwest of the plant that lies beyond the 20-km (12 mile) zone whose inhabitants have already been evacuated.

Radioactivity levels in this area range from several hundred becquerels per square metre to thousands or even several million bequerels per square metre, the IRSN report, issued late Monday, said.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofindia.indiatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: evacuation; fukushima; radiation; reactor

1 posted on 05/24/2011 9:25:12 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; sushiman; Ronin; AmericanInTokyo; gaijin; struggle; DTogo; GATOR NAVY; Iris7; ...

P!


2 posted on 05/24/2011 9:25:59 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This story has completely gone off the radar. You wonder why?


3 posted on 05/24/2011 9:32:21 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Bulls!!!)
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To: Dengar01
This story has completely gone off the radar. You wonder why?

Because a third of the people say it is "no big deal", a third of the people say it is the end of the world and the other third are tired of being belittled by the other two thirds for not falling into lockstep with their agenda driven worldviews.
4 posted on 05/24/2011 9:36:06 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Dengar01; GonzoGOP
This story has completely gone off the radar. You wonder why?

I believe the Japanese government! It's not a problem!

5 posted on 05/24/2011 9:43:47 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Watchdog: “Woof, woof, woof, arf arf woof, woof.”

Translation: “70,000 more people should evacuate, a watchdog said. “


6 posted on 05/24/2011 9:49:28 AM PDT by webheart (Just saying.....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Watchdog: “Woof, woof, woof, arf arf woof, woof.”

Translation: “70,000 more people should evacuate, a watchdog said. “


7 posted on 05/24/2011 9:49:46 AM PDT by webheart (Just saying.....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Watchdog: “Woof, woof, woof, arf arf woof, woof.”

Translation: “70,000 more people should evacuate, a watchdog said. “


8 posted on 05/24/2011 9:50:22 AM PDT by webheart (Just saying.....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Watchdog: “Woof, woof, woof, arf arf woof, woof.”

Translation: “70,000 more people should evacuate, a watchdog said. “


9 posted on 05/24/2011 9:50:45 AM PDT by webheart (Just saying.....)
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To: dragnet2
I believe the Japanese government! It's not a problem!

So a cleanup likely to cost in the hundreds of billions of dollars isn't a problem for a country already hammered by a stagnant economy and a devastating tsunami? I guess your definition of a problem and mine are different.
10 posted on 05/24/2011 9:50:45 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Watchdog: “Woof, woof, woof, arf arf woof, woof.”

Translation: “70,000 more people should evacuate, a watchdog said. “


11 posted on 05/24/2011 9:51:55 AM PDT by webheart (Just saying.....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Watchdog: “Woof, woof, woof, arf arf woof, woof.”

Translation: “70,000 more people should evacuate, a watchdog said. “


12 posted on 05/24/2011 9:52:09 AM PDT by webheart (Just saying.....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

13 posted on 05/24/2011 9:53:50 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: GonzoGOP
I guess your definition of a problem and mine are different.

Japan, it's not a problem!

:o

14 posted on 05/24/2011 9:54:41 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Isn’t this evacuation a few days late to say the least?


15 posted on 05/24/2011 9:54:48 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: dragnet2

Wow you use exclamation points. That must make you the ultimate expert on everything. NOT! (see I can use them too.)


16 posted on 05/24/2011 10:00:16 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

We’re actually planing on purchasing a small home with ocean frontage on the central east coast of Japan. But it’s safe, about 50 miles north of Fukushima. The realtor assured us there was no problem at all.


17 posted on 05/24/2011 10:01:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Again my point was not about safety, it was about economic cost of cleanup. For example the floods on the Mississippi have had relatively few fatalities. But it has been an economic disaster. Likewise the Fukushima power plant hasn't killed anyone since the crane fell on the workers during the earthquake. But it is going to be monstrously expensive to clean up. And every time the evacuation zone goes up so do the relocation and cleanup costs.

Remember Japan was in worse financial shape that the US before the Tsunami and Fukushima. The damage, both human and financial, from the Tsunami would have rattled even a healthy economy. What Japan desperately didn't need after that was a multi billion dollar distraction cleaning up a leaking nuclear power plant. Unfortunately that is exactly what they have. And they don't have the choice of either cleaning up the plant or repairing the Tsunami damage. They have to do both at once, at the same time as they lost almost a months tax revenue due to shut down business. All of that leads to more debt. And it is the crushing level of debt that will bring them down, not the tsunami or Fukushima.

Given time and resources (money) the Japanese could work their way out of any disaster. As you obviously know they are an amazing and highly resilient people. But thanks to their government's poor fiscal discipline before the disaster they are now short of both.
18 posted on 05/24/2011 10:16:40 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

OK Mr. gonzoGOP...

lol


19 posted on 05/24/2011 10:34:23 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
"The realtor assured us there was no problem at all. "

Hey...what else could you want?

20 posted on 05/24/2011 10:46:04 AM PDT by blam
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Fine, the watchdog group possibly has the numbers too high but even at half the distance... say half the 70k and that’s an extremely large number. Where do you send them? Where will they get housing? Where will they get jobs? But the most important to the Japanese is how much will that cost the government?


21 posted on 05/24/2011 11:09:07 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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The immediate problem is that they could be all irradiated to have long-term(or near-term) damage to their health, and this could have been avoided if the authorities did act early.
22 posted on 05/24/2011 2:11:53 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It is conceptually easy to contemplate mass evacuation of 70,000 people but a big decision politically. This problem was sort of in the middle of “have to address now” and “let’s kick the can down the road”. The Japanese were looking for more consensus, as usual.

It’s a big job doing a real radiological survey over such an area. My own point of view is that where you have several million becquerels per square meter of caesium 134 and 137 you should evacuate everyone under 30 or 40 years of age until you can fence off areas contaminated at about 200,000 becquerels per square meter or more. 20 millisieverts per year won’t hurt anyone who knows what they are doing. For instance, don’t eat the dirt. Wear a dust mask. Keep your skin clean. Don’t eat food grown in the area. It is OK to feed animals contaminated food and eat them but don’t eat anything but muscle and maybe fat. This should be fine but should be monitored as needed.


23 posted on 05/24/2011 9:58:32 PM PDT by Iris7 ("Do not live lies!" ...Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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To: Iris7

There was an April survey of dust samples at Fukushima province elementary schools.
http://eq.wide.ad.jp/files_en/110412school2_en.pdf

Results are in Becq/m3.

Most readings are ‘not detected’ or 3000 or so.
There are a 10,000 and 16,000. It seems to me even those could be remedied by, carefully, running a garden tiller over the land.


24 posted on 05/25/2011 6:52:52 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

Interesting.

The radiocaesium will migrate rapidly downward with rainwater, etc. The rainy season has started in Japan, and probably the surface radioactivity will be much lower on average later this year.

The usual radiocaesium remediation is removing an adequate layer of topsoil I understand.

Caesium being so water soluble and forming strongly positively charged ions I would expect you could mix the topsoil thoroughly with water and separate the caesium from the water with hydrogen ion exchange. A big messy job.

Once you had a reasonably dry concentrate I expect it would form a stable portland cement concrete containment. Keep it dry for a few hundred years....


25 posted on 05/25/2011 9:49:21 PM PDT by Iris7 ("Do not live lies!" ...Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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