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Oh my: Pawlenty calls for Medicare and Social Security reform in Florida
Hotair ^ | 05/25/2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 05/25/2011 11:40:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

First he goes after ethanol in Iowa, now this. What’s next? Telling Texans it’s time to wean themselves off of barbecue? Good lord. This isn’t a campaign, it’s an intervention.

Alternate headline: “Tim Pawlenty now unelectable in not one but two early primary states.”

A day after telling Iowans their beloved ethanol subsidies will have to go, Republican presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty used a stop in senior-heavy Florida to call for reining in Social Security and Medicare benefits for future retirees…

It’s part of a tough-medicine tour, designed to highlight Pawlenty’s willingness to tell “hard truths.” He’s also planning to visit Washington to call for less-generous pay and benefits for public sector employees and to New York to call for an end to Wall Street bailouts…

Pawlenty said Social Security’s retirement age must “gradually” increase for people who are not yet in the system. He also called for ending cost-of-living increases for wealthy retirees. He said he’ll release details soon and said the changes would not affect current retirees.

That’s from today’s Facebook town hall, where he also took a question that seemed geared towards winning a certain fiscal-con icon’s constituency:

“In the state of Indiana, our governor has been really hard on teachers,” asked one girl. “What is your view of education?”

Pawlenty voiced a position on education similar to the reforms passed by Daniels in the last Indiana legislative session: school choice and vouchers, support for charter schools, and saying that education policy should be geared to help children and should “put their needs first, rather than the interests of adults in public employee union movement.”

The choice of the question seemed deliberate, as a way to position Pawlenty as the natural alternative for Daniels’ supporters.

The straight talk on entitlements, I think, is mainly geared towards giving him cover with the base for when he starts inching away from Ryan’s Medicare plan. He praised Ryan’s budget when speaking to reporters after the Facebook town hall today but reminded them that he’ll be introducing his own plan in the coming months. With good reason: The more Senate Republicans bail on Ryan — Olympia Snowe is the latest — the closer we get to the sort of tipping point imagined by Nate Silver. It’s easier for the GOP to deflect concerns about Ryan’s Medicare reforms if they’re voting party-line, less easy when the RINO contingent of Snowe, Collins, and Brown defects and thereby implicitly signals to centrists that Ryan’s budget is “extreme.” T-Paw’s trying to massage both sides here (much as he did in Iowa), hinting without saying that he thinks Ryan’s plan is extreme too but not so much that entitlement reform should be avoided. Exit quotation: “What I know is this: There just can’t be any more sacred cows.”


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To: SeekAndFind
Fritz himself is still alive. He was young and inexperienced in 1984 but is 83 years old now.

I wonder what percentage of Iowa voters are deeply attached to ethanol subsidies. There are between 90 and 100 thousand farms in Iowa--the total vote in recent Presidential elections has been about 1.5 million.

51 posted on 05/25/2011 12:57:06 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: manc

Ok...but my post wasn’t based on anything regarding backing the Ryan plan. I DO like the plan though....and I’m a senior. ;-)

I also believe that the Republicans need some sort of STRONG, WELL-DONE campaign to INFORM people about the stark difference between Ryan’s plan (which even Ryan said was open to new input) and Obamacare/Democrat approach to healthcare/debt.

What I was trying to say in my post was simply that I like the fact the Pawlenty seems not to be afraid of telling the folks that we are going to have to make some TOUGH decisions that will affect ALL of us. There is NO way to get around that. This crisis is THAT serious. Most Americans understand this....especially when they have all the information.


52 posted on 05/25/2011 1:02:04 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

agree, nearly all Americans want it sorted out as well as the debt but as soon as you bring up the Ryan plan then we lose as Americans for the most part will say they paid into it and don’t touch it.

Even many republicans I know who hate obama will not vote for anyone who touches their medicare or SS .
It is sad that we as a country have not relied on this and that is why it was set up .

We need to back away from this Ryan plan so the left can stop hammering us with it and Ryan should not have released his budget until the left did.

We have had two elections in two weeks and lost both, one in FL, one in NY last night.
we should nto be losing but we are because the left play mediscare and we gave them the gift to use it

we should have stayed on message cut the debt, obamacare will kill medicare etc, he took 500 billion etc.
But Ryan had to release this and now we’re losing up and down the country


53 posted on 05/25/2011 1:06:46 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

RE: this has been proven twice in two weeks and we lost twice

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Nothing in your observation changes what I just said.

Let’s put it this way — if we are in a group riding on a wagon that is heading inexorably towards a cliff, what should the responsible person do ?

A) Tell everyone to stay calm and continue on the route towards the cliff?

or;

B) Tell everyone that we need to stop the wagon and turn it around?

Would a responsible person choose A and because everyone feel comfortable with the message, or choose B even if he knows that doing so will make him unpopular.

What is certain is this -— If you do nothing, Medicare will NOT be there for anyone. If you implement reform (no matter how unpopular), you just might save it.

Upstate NY just signed their own death warrants with their latest election for Congressman. Their population is already leaving in droves even as we speak and the latest elections just drove another nail to that trend. In other words, they just accelerated the movement of the wagon towards the cliff.


54 posted on 05/25/2011 1:20:22 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: pogo101
If this obligation puts added pressure on government to enact spending cuts elsewhere, terrific!

I don't see a reason to raise "other" taxes but the Democrats will, they always do. Higher revenues coming in with economic recovery will meet this obligation.

It was done to help prime the pump of the pathetic economic recovery.

Would you prefer it was never done?

55 posted on 05/25/2011 1:24:10 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Are you ready for 4 more years because Republicans will see to it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

not sure if you are talkiong to people out on the street who you do not know but when you say you will cut medicare then you lose votes

It’s been proven in the last 2 WEEKS and we lost TWICE due to your plan.

You can’t tell people that you will cut medicare and then get elected if you do then you will not implement anything

look you said twice now that you think it is best to tell people we have to do this because if we don’t the country is broke
Well yoy are correct but if you tell the people you will cut medicare then you won’t get to implement anything because you won’t get the votes.

Like it or not that is a FACT

I’m near JAX, I know many who heard about medicare and the Ryan plan and said they will not vote if they touch their medicare

The rat won , we lost so for us to change anything we have to shut up about cutting medicare and then do it once we are in.


56 posted on 05/25/2011 1:25:54 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc; katiekins1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2ZoNBmMfxU

Notice the date in which Pawlenty stops the Sharia Banking Programs. (after a year and half)
Think maybe he knew over a month ago that he was going to run for President?

http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2011/03/28/sharia-compliant-mortgage-minnesota/

Pawlenty implemented Sharia compliant loans by executive order in 2005.

http://swampland.time.com/2011/03/25/is-there-a-double-standard-in-tim-pawlentys-disavowal-of-sharia-compliant-mortgages/

57 posted on 05/25/2011 1:35:19 PM PDT by seekthetruth (We The People stand with Israel, even though Obama stands with our enemies!)
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To: seekthetruth

you forgot the video of cap and trade he supported too.

You’re on medicare and SS so you’ve got your whack of it but tell a person who is not into politics that they will have to wait till 72 etc and you lose their vote therefore you will not get voted in to change medicare.

I can’t stress this enough.
two weeks have gone by and we have lost TWO ELECTIONS because of this , so we better shut up about the Ryan plan.


58 posted on 05/25/2011 1:38:50 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: newzjunkey

I favor lower taxes and cutting spending, but this is simply an accounting gimmick. (Will I “take it” anyway? Sure.)


59 posted on 05/25/2011 1:39:15 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: manc

Did you see the SC debate? Pawlenty did not endorse C&T, in fact he repudiated the idea.

Dude, if you’re set to give up after two losses, then go ahead and surrender. Reagan didn’t give up on the conservative message, and he lost battles....and I won’t either.


60 posted on 05/25/2011 1:40:47 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: manc

RE: this has been proven twice in two weeks and we lost twice

Then don’t say you are cutting Medicare because THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH. Tell them you are SAVING MEDICARE. That’s what Paul Ryan is doing — saving Medicare, while at the same time saving our economy and making our entire budget SOLVENT.

Who is cutting Medicare? Obama of course. He is cutting Medicare to fund Obamacare ( which will include illegals even when he says it does not ).

Paul Ryan defends his plan very well and when people UNDERSTAND what he is doing, they are favorably disposed to it. Seniors support Ryan’s plan by an overwhelming majority.

Why? Well for one, if you are 55 and above, Ryan’s plan WON’T TOUCH WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.

What we need is for a Presidential/Congressional candidate who can articulate Ryan’s plan as well as he does.


61 posted on 05/25/2011 1:42:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: manc

Pawlenty has repudiated his previous support for cap and trade.


62 posted on 05/25/2011 1:43:03 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Parmenio; manc

RE: Pawlenty has repudiated his previous support for cap and trade.

Yes he did. I’d rather have someone own up to his mistakes and learn from it rather than someone who stubbornly insists that he made the right decision ( Mitt Romney on Romneycare anyone? )


63 posted on 05/25/2011 1:52:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

wow, You can say what eevr you want but the fact remains that the left will state we are cutting their medicare and that is when people stop voting for you.

You’re over 55, you are ion SS and medicare and this won’t bother you so it must be great to have had it but when most are in their 40’s, 50’ 30’s and have heard about the new retirement age etc then you will lose their votes, AGAIN THEREFORE YOU WILL NOT GET TO CHANGE MEDICARE.

You have took SS and medicare so obviously you have no problem but many I know are younger than you and when they hear you they say no vote.

Ryan should not have come public, huge mistake and one has to look at this from not your own eyes but the eyes of others and the left who now have been given a gift

AGAIN
we have lost two elections in two weeks and it was because of the Ryan plan, how many more do you want to lose?

As for understanding his plan ,well most voters are dumb and all they hear is their so called medicare getting cut

As for saying most support this then where do you have that poll from please?


64 posted on 05/25/2011 1:54:54 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

you are looking at this through our eyes not the average voter.
Both elections were lost because of the Ryan plan and the left used their usual scare tactics, Ryan helped them.

SO how many elections do you want to lose until you see we have to change this debate and say medicare will be killed by obamacare etc.

You tell the average voter they can get SS at 72 then you will not get their vote.

As for Pawlenty saying he does not now endorse cap and trade, well he would wouldn’t he.
He knows saying cap and trade should be passed now will not get him the election, it is called playing to the base but hey if you trust him then off you go I for one will wait till someone else who is more of a better conservative and has stuck with their views not flipped flopped comes along


65 posted on 05/25/2011 1:58:28 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

RE: Only RON PAUL had the courage to stand up firmly AGAINST the bailouts from the get-go in ‘08. What’s more he’s the only GOP presidential candidate who actually voted against them!

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NOT IF YOU ARTICULATE AND EXPLAIN YOUR PLAN THE WAY PAUL RYAN DOES.

Every venue Paul Ryan goes, he just clobbers the opposition to his plan ( even on the enemy turf — MSNBC ).

The problem is not in the message, the problem is the inability to articulate and explain it.


66 posted on 05/25/2011 1:59:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

then it is called sucking up to the base and flip flopping.

I’ll wait for someone who I trust and is known to be a conservative on social and fiscal matters like Allen West etc


67 posted on 05/25/2011 2:00:16 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: SeekAndFind

you’re posting to the wrong person


68 posted on 05/25/2011 2:01:01 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

RE: wow, You can say what eevr you want but the fact remains that the left will state we are cutting their medicare and that is when people stop voting for you.

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Sorry, I posted on the wrong post number, but getting back to what you said....

NOT IF YOU ARTICULATE AND EXPLAIN YOUR PLAN THE WAY PAUL RYAN DOES.

Every venue Paul Ryan goes, he just clobbers the opposition to his plan ( even on the enemy turf — MSNBC ).

The problem is not in the message, the problem is the inability to articulate and explain it.


69 posted on 05/25/2011 2:01:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

it is not what he says it is what the left says and with the media they have the upper hand until the GOP calls them out and I will nto hold my breath for that


70 posted on 05/25/2011 2:02:39 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

RE: you’re posting to the wrong person

See Post #69


71 posted on 05/25/2011 2:03:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: manc

RE: it is not what he says it is what the left says and with the media they have the upper hand until the GOP calls them out and I will nto hold my breath for that

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If you are afraid of what the mainstream media will say, you might as well shut up and not propose anything at all.

is that what you are proposing?

If so, we might as well let the MSM dictate what we can and cannot say.

Sooner or later we MUST, repeat MUST, implement a plan to reform Medicare. We don’t have much time left. It is going bankrupt in less than half a generation.

We either do it now with GREAT COURAGE, or we let this country go the way of Greece.


72 posted on 05/25/2011 2:06:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

do you understand politics and the game?

It is not the afraid of the media, it is what they say.

The MSM does dictate politics and issues, you know I know what you have done for the right and I have defended you many times so I ma being very nice here but if you think telling people , the average voter that they have to wait till 72 to retire and then think they will vote for you then you’re wrong and way off .

Like I said you’re old and have been living on SS and medicare for many years, but many have not had what you have.
So when you tell them that they have to keep working etc then you lose them and we lose them and then nothing gets done for the better.


73 posted on 05/25/2011 2:18:37 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc
We won't lose if the message is delivered correctly. There's plenty of info available from the dems about medicare and ss insolvency - pair it with a clear and honest message about changes that need to be made to not only fix the problem but keep it from happening again. Anyone who is paying attention already knows it's coming.
74 posted on 05/25/2011 2:19:08 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: SeekAndFind

you’re not going to implement anything if you do not get voted in.

Again you’re old you have been enjoying SS and medicare but now you ask others to wait till retire, well you know what, they will say piss off you have had your life.


75 posted on 05/25/2011 2:20:25 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

RE: you’re not going to implement anything if you do not get voted in.

Regardless of what you do, the simple fact that you are a CONSERVATIVE will make the MSM be against you.

What are you going to do if they ask you what your stance on Medicare is ?

You seem to be saying that it would be best for a candidate to hem and haw and say, “I have a plan but I won’t tell you the details, wait till I am elected and you’ll see”.

How’s that cowardly stance going to get you votes?

YOU CANNOT KEEP QUIET ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT WILL BE ASKED IN THE CAMPAIGN!!

Better to take a stand on the right side and learn to articulate it.


76 posted on 05/25/2011 2:24:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: manc

RE: well you know what, they will say piss off you have had your life.

Not if you explain to them that if we don’t reform Medicare now, you won’t have a life to live when you reach retirement age because MEDICARE WILL RUN OUT OF MONEY.


77 posted on 05/25/2011 2:26:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

look the media has been paid off by Soros.
We have lost two elections because of this.
The message will never get out due to the fact most are cowards or they cannot get the message out as the media does the message and we’re not calling them out


78 posted on 05/25/2011 2:26:55 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: SeekAndFind

look again you seem to always ignore this

you are old so how long have you been enjoying SS and medicare?

What about 20 years about, so you’ve enjoyed the fruits of it but now you what to tell the average voter that they have to wait till they’re 72 to retire.

and then you think they look at you who has enjoyed SS etc and then they will say yea that’s great I agree, lets wait till I’m 72


79 posted on 05/25/2011 2:29:05 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: SeekAndFind

no you’ve been enjoying medicare though for many years.


80 posted on 05/25/2011 2:30:36 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

Do a study of Reagan’s tenure as California governor sometime and the “liberal” bills he signed, and see if you would still have supported him for President. The FACT IS, none of the people are perfect, but all of them are better than Hussein.

Waiting for a Prince or Princess Charming is a foolish game.


81 posted on 05/25/2011 2:31:25 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I'm waiting to make my decision to who I will vote for but i will vote like I did last time and held my nose
82 posted on 05/25/2011 2:32:43 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

RE: The message will never get out due to the fact most are cowards or they cannot get the message out as the media does the message and we’re not calling them out

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Let’s say for the sake of argument, all of what you say is true (which is questionable as the message IS getting out ).

Is the solution to simply KEEP QUIET ON THE MESSAGE?

Or is the solution to articulate the message ?

Your solution seems to be the former.

That won’t work. Why? BECAUSE THE ISSUE WILL BE ASKED OF YOU AS A CANDIDATE ANYWAY. And when the question is asked as it inevitable will, what are you going to do?


83 posted on 05/25/2011 2:36:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: manc

RE: no you’ve been enjoying medicare though for many years.

Where did you get that idea? Do you even know how old I am?


84 posted on 05/25/2011 2:37:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes I’ve seen you and looking at you then you never have had a physical job I;d guess.
You’ve been living on SS and medicare for years and this won’t affect you but you’re asking people who do physical jobs to retire at 72 but you have been reaping the benefits of SS.

You want to start talking then cut the fraud, medicaid, money to countries etc


85 posted on 05/25/2011 2:44:16 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: SeekAndFind

the only message getting out is what the media put out and that is we want to cut medicare, is it true no but that is the message getting out and to gloss over our defeats as “well we have to say it right” is not cutting it.


86 posted on 05/25/2011 2:45:35 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: SeekAndFind

the only message getting out is what the media put out and that is we want to cut medicare, is it true no but that is the message getting out and to gloss over our defeats as “well we have to say it right” is not cutting it.

Tell the average voter about getting rid of debt and they will agree, tell them that they have to work till 72 of which doe snot affect you then they will tell you to piss off.


87 posted on 05/25/2011 2:46:27 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

RE: Yes I’ve seen you and looking at you then you never have had a physical job I;d guess.

AGAIN HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ? YOU SAID YOU’VE SEEN ME, DESCRIBE HOW I LOOK, WHAT KIND OF JOB I DO, AND WHERE I WORK.


88 posted on 05/25/2011 2:48:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: manc

RE: Tell the average voter about getting rid of debt and they will agree, tell them that they have to work till 72 of which doe snot affect you then they will tell you to piss off.

Does Paul Ryan tell people that they will be working till 72? Where in his plan did he say that?


89 posted on 05/25/2011 2:49:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: manc

RE: the only message getting out is what the media put out and that is we want to cut medicare

And the GOP should be afraid of the Media? Why?

If they’re getting that message out, then in BEHOOVES the GOP to get the message out that they’re not cutting Medicare, OBAMACARE IS. Paul Ryan’s plan WILL SAVE MEDICARE.


90 posted on 05/25/2011 2:50:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
reply to all posts in this. Are you not old? Are you retired? Does this law affect you Now to answer your question on what you look like, you're old, very thin, actually really thin, about 5ft 3 to 5 inches tall. SO basing form what I have seen of you then I would guess you have not done a physical job, jobs like construction etc. Now the message. The media is dong the message like it or not. I know I don't but that is a fact. I have never said once at all to you we should be afraid of the media I have said that they are bias, paid off by Soros and they agree with the left. The Ryan plan involves raising the retirement age does it not? SO it does and that means you will tell others who are in their 30's to do more years working. Look you seem to not be understanding as to what I am saying You're looking at this from your own eyes not the average voter, look at the bigger picture now from you. We have lost 2 election in 2 weeks. Now both losses were because of the scare tactics of the media and the left and they used the Ryan plan Now what you seem to not understand and I a,m trying to say this in a good way to you is that people are ALL FOR CUTTING THE DEBT FACT Now when you tell voters they have to work longer etc then they do not vote for you. FACT You keep looking at all this form your own mind and eyes instead of looking at this from the average voter. I've made these points to you now for a lot of posts and you only keep saying the same thing and that is we have to solve the debt YES WE DO AND MOST AGREE Then you say we should tell the folks that they have to give up some medicare or work longer etc etc etc and that IS WHERE YOU LOSE THEM. THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN IN THE LAST 2 WEEKS So then you keep saying well we have to get the message out but you seem to not understand how the media works or if you do then you seem to ignore the biased media. Like it or not, I don't we have a biased press and media
91 posted on 05/25/2011 3:21:20 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: SeekAndFind

ah you are correct I have not seen you, I was thinking you were down in my state FL and someone else.


92 posted on 05/25/2011 3:22:51 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

I appreciate that. My two choices now are Pawlenty and Cain. But I’m not committed. I will wait before sending money to any candidate.

I supported Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney last go ‘round.

I know MR is hated by many here. His luster has definitely worn off for me, but I STILL think he’d do a better job than the clown we currently endure.


93 posted on 05/25/2011 3:30:28 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: SeekAndFind

He is RIGHT! The Ethanol subsidy must be eliminated, and the sooner the better.

The irony of it is that corn farmers do not get the subsidy — the gasoline distributors (those who mix the ethanol with Real Gas) get it.

And, ending the subsidy will not reduce the ethanol corn crop because the Feds have decreed that ethanol must be added to gasoline, and have even decreed how much ethanol must be produced each year.

IOW, farmers will still grow corn, and ethanol will be produced and mixed with Real Gasoline. It is a dumbass program, but it will not end until and unless We the People demand that it end — and there are a lot of valid reasons to eliminate ethanol FRom gasoline that are off topic here.

BTW, this federal ethanol program represents pure Stalinist tactics at work, TYVM US Congress!

In respect of SS, I believe that the program eventually must be privatized and placed on an actuarially sound basis.

Governor Pawlenty is a brave man, and I commend him for telling it like it is. More power to him, and I hope the high mark he is setting encourages others who would be President.


94 posted on 05/25/2011 6:44:42 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: manc

RE: Are you not old? Are you retired?

NO to BOTH QUESTIONS.

RE: Does this law affect you Now to answer your question on what you look like, you’re old, very thin, actually really thin, about 5ft 3 to 5 inches tall.

Now I know you’re BSing. I am a long way from retirement, still working, and taller than 5’3”. Wrong on all three counts.

RE:SO basing form what I have seen of you

Really? what you’ve shown so far is you don’t even know who I am. You and Harold Camping share something in common though.

RE: The Ryan plan involves raising the retirement age does it not?

Read up on the plan. Seniors would receive government support to purchase health insurance coverage on a tightly regulated government exchange system. That does not involve raising the retirement age. You are CONFUSING Medicare with Social Security.

A “voucher” is usually a certificate of specified cash value that is redeemable for the purchase of goods or services. Under Ryan’s House budget plan, seniors would instead choose health plans and the government would make direct and adequate contributions to the premium cost of the plans of their choice. This “premium support” would go to Medicare-certified and -regulated plans that would compete in a Medicare “exchange,” which Ryan himself has described as “tightly regulated.”

RE: We have lost 2 election in 2 weeks

Uh huh, what follows? That we will lose elections in the future? Scott Brown defeated a Democrat in Ted Kennedy’s district, what does that prove about the future? Can you project anything from the present to the future?

Take NY-26 for instance.... which the GOP lost yesterday.

Political pundits will say that the Republican candidate for Congress in NY-26 lost because of Medicare. They’re wrong. This election was more of a referendum on a candidate’s ability to defend freedom than anything else.

In NY-26, the Republican party nominated a fairly conservative establishment Republican in Jane Corwin, but an ex-Democrat named Jack Davis, running as a “Tea-Party” candidate, siphoned votes from the Republican. The reason was not that Davis is obviously more conservative or because Corwin is not sufficiently conservative: It’s because Corwin did a terrible job articulating the free-market message, and Davis consistently demagogued the important issue of trade.

A simple cursory view of the Davis campaign’s paid media revealed a common theme: that free trade is bad. “Both parties in Washington support trade agreements that ship our jobs overseas,” intoned the narrator of one. He’s critical of “trade deals like NAFTA” and he’s dedicated to making sure Washington “puts American jobs first.”

One of Jane Corwin’s many problems was that she did not articulate a strong free-market message to voters that might have blunted the false scare tactics of Jack Davis. Corwin failed to convey a clear response to Davis’s position that protectionism and tariffs on China would protect American jobs. In fact, tariffs on Chinese goods are nothing more than a sales tax for upstate New York. Tariffs of any kind kill American jobs, and hurt our economy. Support for free trade is the principled position that’s supported by the facts, and yet the Corwin campaign didn’t seem to be in any hurry to stand on principle. In fact, in a TV ad released by the Corwin campaign at the end of March, Corwin said she would “oppose trade agreements that just aren’t fair.”

Maybe Jane Corwin really did believe in protectionism, and that’s her right. Either way, when Republicans nominate candidates who can’t articulate and won’t stand on free-market principles, they will continue to end up with the problems they are faced with in NY-26. Corwin was probably the best choice of the three candidates running — but her failure to stand on principle is what caused a safe Republican seat to fall into the hands of a liberal Democrat tonight.

AT ANY RATE, MEDICARE WAS NOT A MAJOR ISSUE IN NY-26.

RE: a,m trying to say this in a good way to you is that people are ALL FOR CUTTING THE DEBT FACT Now when you tell voters they have to work longer etc then they do not vote for you.

Let’s look at the opposite Dem positions first.

Obamacare imposes record-breaking payment cuts for Medicare providers—plus an unprecedented hard cap on Medicare spending to be enforced by the newly created Independent Payments Advisory Board, an unelected board of bureaucrats empowered to lower provider payments to preordained levels indexed to inflation and economic growth. This will ensure rationing of care through provider payment cuts.

Furthermore, under Section 3021 Congress tasks the new Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation with transitioning from the current fee-for-service reimbursement system toward capitated or salary-based reimbursements. This would literally be the end of traditional Medicare fee for service “as we know it.”

Both the Ryan and Obama proposals impose external spending caps on Medicare. But Ryan’s proposal aims to control costs primarily through intense market competition—not just deeper payment cuts for Medicare providers—while preserving and enhancing the right of seniors to choose health care options.

Also, for those who are far from retirement, Ryan’s tax plan proposes reducing the top individual and corporate tax rates from 35 percent to 25 percent—and this is fully paid for by eliminating extraneous tax deductions, exemptions, and loopholes that currently allow some wealthy individuals and businesses to escape their fair share of taxes. Because this plan raises the same amount of revenue year by year as does current policy, it is not a net tax cut. The President’s fiscal commission endorsed similar tax reforms because these reforms would make the tax code more efficient, fair, and pro-growth.

THERE IS NO PROPOSAL AT ALL UNDER RYAN’s PLAN TO INCREASE THE RETIREE’s AGE TO 72 ( THE NUMBER YOU SIMPLY AND MAGICALLY PLUCKED FROM THIN AIR ).

Some myths that ought to be dispelled are as follows:

Firstly, The myth, propagated by writers like Jonathan Chait of The New Republic is that Ryan’s plan not only cuts Medicare, but it does so in order to provide tax cuts for the rich.

FACT: There is no tax cut in Paul Ryan’s plan. He maintains the current rates, which have been law for more than a decade. When you dig past this patent ridiculousness, it’s easy to see that Ryan’s plan seeks to RESTRAIN Medicare spending growth in order to AVERT a tax increase on everyone.

The next myth that I’ll dispel here is one that makes me sad. Sad that time must be spent, words must be typed, and gigabytes must be forever wasted to rebut such a ridiculous notion. The idea, a growing one among liberal wonks, is that there is a very simple plan that will solve our budget problems – do nothing ( one that you seem to ask the GOP to do ).

A normal person would stare at $14.3 trillion in red ink and $1 trillion deficits as far as the eye can see and say that’s preposterous, but not this vanguard of American liberalism.

Here’s another myth -— The Paul Ryan budget plan would shift Medicaid costs to the states and hurt the poor.

Fact: Ryan’s Medicaid block grants would help states lower Medicaid costs and provide them with the flexibility to better serve the poor.

The Ryan budget plan would remove the perverse incentives resulting from the open-ended federal reimbursement of state Medicaid spending. The block grant proposal would provide greater budget certainty at the federal and state levels. In addition, states would have greater flexibility and greater incentives to reduce costs. The proposal would also encourage states to spend their Medicaid dollars wisely and to consider innovative ways to deliver better care at lower costs.

THAT is the truth.

AND HERE’s ANOTHER FACT : DOING NOTHING WILL LEAD AMERICA TO A CERTAIN DESTINATION -— NATIONAL BANKRUPTCY. IF THE DEMOCRATS WILL DEMAGOGUE THE RYAN PLAN WITH FALSEHOODS ( like the one you like to believe ( e.g. a retirement in your 70’s, which Ryan NEVER PROPOSES ), THE GOP CAN COUNTER WITH THE TRUTH WHICH IS SCARIER-— OBAMACARE OR KEEPING MEDICARE AS IT IS WILL BANKRUPT NOT ONLY MEDICARE, IT WILL ALSO BANKRUPT THIS COUNTRY.


95 posted on 05/25/2011 7:40:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: manc

RE: ah you are correct I have not seen you, I was thinking you were down in my state FL and someone else.

Read my profile page, I can’t drive to Florida in one day from where I am without falling asleep at the wheel.


96 posted on 05/25/2011 7:41:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: napscoordinator
Not one word about how HE is going to feel the pain.

Who cares? Bill Clinton supposedly felt our pain. Utterly vapid notion.
97 posted on 05/25/2011 10:49:08 PM PDT by Terpfen (Buh-bye, Suntan Charlie.)
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To: Terpfen

Who cares? Bill Clinton supposedly felt our pain. Utterly vapid notion.

Good Lord. I forgot all about that. You must be a fan of his.


98 posted on 05/26/2011 3:26:53 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SeekAndFind

really


99 posted on 05/26/2011 6:39:56 AM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: liberalh8ter
I’m all for candidates telling the truth

So am I. Truthfulness is certainly an admirable trait and we should, but don't, elect only truthful candidates. But the problem with truth in politics is that a politician's concept of "truth" on an issue is often at odds with the voter's concept. Self interest usually has a powerful affect on a person's concepts of truth and error, and it often plays the leading role in the voter's decision.

For example, I'm not a betting man but if I were I would bet a shekel or two that if Ryan's Medicare proposal were to be modified today to move what I call the "kick-in" date back to next week rather than 10-15 years in the future as it now stands, 95% of the retirees who said they support the proposal yesterday would undergo a miraculous overnight conversion from support to opposition. I'm not just cynical about seniors alone, people of all ages usually favor proposals that benefit themselves. I'm a senior myself and I usually support political proposals that would benefit me or my family as long as no biblical, moral, or constitutional boundaries would be violated by enactment of the proposal into law. I'm only saying that self interest is a common human trait that exists to a greater or lesser extent in every human being with little or no regard to age, gender, or position in society, and it almost always plays a decisive role in every voter's choices whether he or she is a senior citizen or a first time voter.

100 posted on 05/26/2011 7:49:41 AM PDT by epow (A socialist is a communist who hasn't built enough gulags yet to hold all the Christians.)
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