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You're forged! Trump declares Obama's birth certificate fake
World Net Daily ^ | May 25, 2011 | WND

Posted on 05/25/2011 7:02:17 PM PDT by conservativegramma

Billionaire businessman Donald Trump, who staged a weeks-long public campaign questioning Barack Obama's eligibility to be president during March and April – and rose to the top of the pool of potential candidates for the 2012 GOP nomination then as a result – says he believes the "birth certificate" released by the White House is forged.... Trump said his period of almost-complete silence on the issue following the release by the White House on April 27 of the image of a "Certificate of Live Birth" from the state of Hawaii was not because he was satisfied with the document....

During their conversation, Trump told Corsi his own computer expert told him at the release that it was a computer-generated document.

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251 posted on 05/25/2011 10:46:18 PM PDT by bitt
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To: conservativegramma
Send more money birthers!

Obama needs your money and votes!!!

252 posted on 05/25/2011 10:52:34 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: wendy1946

Start paying attention to this social security numbers thing. It involves tax fraud. Wouldn’t it be the ultimate irony if the IRS nabbed Obama?


253 posted on 05/25/2011 10:54:20 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: jackibutterfly

Barack Obama “I’ve visited 57 States with one left to go”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2jNmQu0GGw


254 posted on 05/25/2011 10:57:36 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: Squeeky

It’s painfully obvious that portions of the image were rotated, scaled, and placed by hand, but for me the real smoking gun is how certain text (and ONLY certain text) and certain signature portions (and ONLY those portions) are in a SINGLE COLOR while the rest is not only antialiased but exhibits the differing brightnesses one would expect of either handwriting pressure points or the impact of a metal typewriter letter on paper. That alone is proof-positive, “quod erat demondstrandum” level proof of forgery.

This is as fake as fake gets, and no amount of OCR or image-compression hand-waving will explain it away. I know what I’m talking about.


255 posted on 05/25/2011 10:57:36 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Windcatcher

Is there a simple way to prove it?


256 posted on 05/25/2011 10:59:59 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Yes! And don’t forget Rahm is testifying in Blago’s trial. I’m pretty sure he owes Barack O’Leary some payback and for sure Rahm knows where the bodies are buried. Hell, I’ll be happy if Blago and Rahm can get Jarrett out of the white hut.


257 posted on 05/25/2011 11:01:19 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Republic

Very interesting, thanks.


258 posted on 05/25/2011 11:06:59 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: Windcatcher
"This PDF did not get where it is by any automatic mechanism. It was pieced together by human hands much the same way that we used to do with X-Acto knives and tape back in the old days."

I spent a few days trying to reproduce anything near the anomalies present on that doc. You are quite correct that it cannot be done by any automatic mechanism.

There is one thing that absolutely proves intentional manipulation though, and that is the presence of cloned characters found in the doc.

BTW 30+ years prepress graphics pro.

259 posted on 05/25/2011 11:09:33 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: woofie

One way would be to compare the RGB color of the forged text and signatures against the average brightness of the paper. The paper brightness should vary since it’s not completely flat, and also because the scanning process always introduces noise into the measurements. I’ll bet the forger was SO amateurish that he used the same brush color everywhere. If so, do not pass go, go directly to jail, because they’re busted.

I contend that this is not only a case of forgery, but of identity theft. They clearly used portions of a real cert as a template.


260 posted on 05/25/2011 11:16:58 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: conservativegramma

Even if Ubama was born in HI., he is still ineligible to be POTUS. Since he would still be an anchor baby, fathered by a non-citizen muslim commie, who was also married to another woman in Kenya.

Soon, as is the custom, he was abandoned by his muslim, commie, father. Later, he was adopted by another muslim, and carted off to Indonesia, for further muslim indoctrination.

We have a Constitutional crisis whether he was born in HI or not. Since the son of a non-citizen, commie, muslim, bigamist, resides in our Whitehouse.

Either the Constitution provides that eligibility is based on being born by two citizen parents, or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, then the children of illegal parent/s, who birthed a child on our soil, are all eligible to be POTUS.

If the latter is law. Then some rich muslim prince can legally visit our country. Impregnate a hooker. Pay her to have the child. Then buy that child’s way into our Whitehouse.

Is this what our founders intended? Or is this what they warned us against?

America is either for sale to the highest bidder, or it isn’t. From where I sit, it seems America has been sold to the highest bidder, already.


261 posted on 05/25/2011 11:20:18 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: Windcatcher

Mr. Karl Denninger mentioned the Chromatic Aberration stuff pretty early on, but this stuff is way over my head at this point. I spy on the Obotski websites and they have somebody who says it is all explainable but that person doesn’t discuss the Chromatic stuff IIRC (Which means If I recall Correctly).

I wonder how come one copy comes out green, while the AP copy comes out blue??? Which means to me that one of them is manipulated. But it is just like that rascal to do this to keep the issue alive.

Because one thing I am like the only person in the world who believes, is that Obama needs Birtherism NOT so much to make the Right look crazy, BUT MORE TO DISTRACT THE LEFT from what he is doing and not doing. I did a Internet Article on this called Obama and The Magic Beans. I guess I better do another one on this point.


262 posted on 05/25/2011 11:21:14 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tll it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: SpaceBar

You are correct, but that’s not exactly where I was going with that.

Some information is of immediate practical use. Other information is of potential use later. Still other may be true, but irrelevant to the issue at hand.

As a young analyst, I once presented a superior with some data on a project I was working on. He said, “Look, this ain’t trivia night. Why are you showing me this?” I was taken aback, partly out of pride, but mostly because he was completely right. I spent a lot of time and effort researching something that was interesting and true but not actionable. In other words, I was wasting time.

Time and effort are scarce resources. There is no virtue in spending them on non productive lines of effort.


263 posted on 05/25/2011 11:22:29 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Windcatcher

I am trying to imagine how this will play out and I assume Obama will stonewall and say nothing but imply “birthers are nuts and are making preposterous charges”
Soooo it looks to me as if birthers have to prove a negative ( that its not real) the Dan Rather stuff comes to mind.....there it was evident to (almost) all that it was a forgery. How can that be repeated ?

Also it seems that you have to win in the court of public opinion as it will never show up in court.


264 posted on 05/25/2011 11:24:44 PM PDT by woofie
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To: conservativegramma
call the donald whatever you want but I'm glad at least he has the balls to stand up and call zero on his goofy documents and background while everyone else looks the other way. Zero is not a NBC
265 posted on 05/25/2011 11:27:05 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Cobra64

/// So much for the Rule of Law and our Constitution ///

Now you’re getting somewhere.


266 posted on 05/25/2011 11:28:25 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: mylife

“I see the BC like a land dispute.
Obamas fence is 6 in on my property but we just cant prove it.

Meanwhile Obama walks 25 feet into my yard on a daily basis, takes a whiz, kicks my dawg, takes my mail and leers in the daughters window at night.

Instead of kicking his ass over CLEAR transgressions we keep quibbling over the 6 in’s”


good analogy


267 posted on 05/25/2011 11:28:36 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: F15Eagle
Oh, that’s sooooooooo ....
“24 May, 2008”

LOLOLOLOL!

268 posted on 05/25/2011 11:38:16 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (GAME ON ......Fight Like a Girl!)
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To: Squeeky

You’ve said something really important: I, too, do not think he is doing this to antagonize Republicans.

I’ve noticed he throws supporters ‘under the bus’ frequently. People who evidently believe they can control him, all the way back in his early political days in Illinois, find Barry Obama has his own agenda and feels allegience to NO ONE. He uses people then discards them heartlessly.

I believe more than communism or Islam or the Democratic Party, Barak and Michele Obama love money and are con artists - only interested in enriching themselves.

For sure he has committed fraud. That is why I really expect he and Michele to cut and run sometime soon, either before or very soon after the brown smelly stuff hits the fan. It isn’t the Republicans they need fear - it is the Democratic Party operatives!


269 posted on 05/26/2011 12:27:19 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: takenoprisoner

Egads, you brute! You’re splitting the conservative vote! Good conservatives are focused on the REAL issues, don’t you know.


270 posted on 05/26/2011 12:27:46 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: Windcatcher
Windcatcher said: "I know what I’m talking about."

The last digit of the serial number on the document, "61 10641" is one of the characters which stands out as being different from all the other characters in the number.

I notice with all of the other characters that the pixels surrounding those digits seem to be consistent with the shape of the digit. That is not true of the final "1" in the number.

There are disturbances in the pixels around the final "1" which might be suggestive of some erasure, especially at the top and top-right of the digit and at the center left. Was there, for example, a "5" or a "7" previously in the place where the "1" appears? Did erasing that digit leave a pixel pattern behind which doesn't really match the background? Somebody with better tools than mine may be able to make more of this.

271 posted on 05/26/2011 12:52:07 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: woofie

There is a refrigerator there? ... Oh yeah... there it is, missed it the first few glances I made
;)


272 posted on 05/26/2011 1:18:51 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: IrishPennant

HOLY MOLY


273 posted on 05/26/2011 1:35:27 AM PDT by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: butterdezillion

bump for later.


274 posted on 05/26/2011 2:04:27 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: restornu
I think Soros wants Obama out of the White House and Trump is helping to remove him.

Aha! That would explain my post #80. Soros is going to let the robot slowly deteriorate before our eyes by not maintaining it properly.

275 posted on 05/26/2011 2:38:00 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Give Soros some credit.

Soros also backs Mitt Romney.


276 posted on 05/26/2011 4:13:54 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Cobra64
Trump was right about the Ryan budget plan. It cost a NY house seat. He said the dems should be the ones forced to make a plan. Put them on the defensive. Hit home in the media how incompetent they are.

The Ryan plan can not pass now. Don't give them ammo in the MSM. Basically the GOP is letting the progressives control the message, which gives them the power.

277 posted on 05/26/2011 4:20:26 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: conservativegramma

Two step play and a total set up.

How this will end:

Donald gets the “real” certificate and is satisfied just in time for Obama’s reelection.

The puppet theater productions continue.


278 posted on 05/26/2011 4:29:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: F15Eagle

Perhaps he is wanting to muddle things from a historical perspective - years and years and years down the road when people look back at it they might not realize when it was done.


279 posted on 05/26/2011 4:56:40 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: americanophile

This is what I was thinking,too, that 2008= election year.


280 posted on 05/26/2011 4:57:34 AM PDT by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Could it be that Soros is concern who he has surrounded himself with?

On the Beck 24th show around 15 mins into it Soros agenda and the radicals agenda is on a collicion course so is it time that Geo Soros part company with these other weidos.

May 24, 15 min into the talk

http://thedailybeck.com/2011/05/24/glenn-beck-tv-show-may-24-2011/


281 posted on 05/26/2011 5:03:49 AM PDT by restornu (If folks don’t speak boldly they stand for nothing but veneer! God Bless America!)
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To: Seizethecarp
Carp!

What a startling mind-frying aperçu! By having it handed to a LAWYER, he did not waive the privacy rights he has claimed! (A completely bogus claim, of course.)

So, basically in the Obamian Mind, he is doing us a favor by putting out what he put out, and the LFBC is still confidential.

282 posted on 05/26/2011 5:17:08 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: takenoprisoner

I agree with you, been preaching this for 3 years now. No one listens.


283 posted on 05/26/2011 5:19:07 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: Texas Fossil; Steel Wolf

They have already admitted “working” with the document they got from HIDOH, to “make it better in reproduction by the media.” That’s where the word “copy,” comes in. They copied the digitally created abstract, “enhancing” this and that, resulting in the plethora of “layers,” that is driving uys all nuts.

The real question is, “OK, the SOB is a crook. Where do we take this?” This is like reporting a fire in building the FD has decided to let burn down.


284 posted on 05/26/2011 5:30:39 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: nolongerademocrat; All

His testimony reportedly lasted less than 5 minutes. He said basically that he was never asked directly by Blago for a deal...

Isn’t it interesting that any people on trial for corruption that have ties to Rezko and Obama are pushed way off many years...

“Bill Cellini trial August 22, 2011 yet Cellini indicted in October 2008, William Cellini enmeshed in Chicago corruption world of Blagojevich Rezko and Obama”

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/bill-cellini-trial-august-22-2011-yet-cellini-indicted-in-october-2008-william-cellini-enmeshed-in-chicago-corruption-world-of-blagojevich-rezko-and-obama/


285 posted on 05/26/2011 5:31:17 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Kenny Bunk
They have already admitted “working” with "forging" the document they got from HIDOH, to “make it better in reproduction by the media.”

There is no original birth document in HI. If it had been as easy as copying something and releasing it, it would have been done long ago. He was not born in HI. All we get from the HI Department of Health are Legal Weasel Word which appear to say something but don't.

By the way, where did they admit to "working with"?

286 posted on 05/26/2011 5:36:41 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: conservativegramma; All

It’s HEADLINE on HotAir.com this morning!!!

Trump: I Think the Obama’s birth certificate might be forged or something

http://hotair.com/


287 posted on 05/26/2011 5:45:19 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Amazing.


288 posted on 05/26/2011 5:48:52 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Amazing.


Whatever happened to the right to a speedy trial?


289 posted on 05/26/2011 5:58:41 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I guess that will come back when we have someone different in the White House. O’bama is all about protecting himself.


290 posted on 05/26/2011 6:00:25 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I guess that will come back when we have someone different in the White House. O’bama is all about protecting himself.


291 posted on 05/26/2011 6:00:28 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: dusttoyou

Many people us this way to write dates, that is not the issue.


Never said it was. I was only responding to a poster regarding the format.


292 posted on 05/26/2011 6:03:17 AM PDT by deport
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To: Windcatcher
I'll bet the forger was SO amateurish that he used the same brush color everywhere.

The only way it can be a forgery is if the forger expended some effort:

The 'M' in "Male" was rotated by one pixel counterclockwise. It was placed one pixel lower than the 'e'. However the form line drops 3 pixels over the same distance. So this was not a bunch of slop as people seem to imply. Also it would have to originate in Hawaii. The slop came later with someone in the WH making layers and thresholding them for mostly obfuscation purposes.

293 posted on 05/26/2011 6:03:56 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Windcatcher

Basic reality: If I put myself in the position of having to scan something like that and release a scanned product to the public starting from a base of zero credibility to begin with, the LAST thing I’d do would be to put it out as a multi-layer pdf file. The ONLY thing I WOULD do would be to release it as a pure bitmap image, either bmp or tif. The very fact that Obunga would even put the thing out as a pdf file at all is an insult to the world.


294 posted on 05/26/2011 6:08:38 AM PDT by wendy1946 (Bork Obunga; Before he borks you...)
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To: Kleon; butterdezillion
Since Obama has released the "birth certificate," he no longer has a privacy defense, nor can the Hawaii Department of Health make use of it. It's been waived.
Do you have a link to the relevant law?


No, but I bet butterdezillion has.

295 posted on 05/26/2011 6:10:35 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: restornu

Good catch, Lady.


296 posted on 05/26/2011 6:40:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: moehoward
There is one thing that absolutely proves intentional manipulation though, and that is the presence of cloned characters found in the doc.

You don't know what you're talking about. This is a result of the enhanced scan. I've provided examples in the past of the exact same "cloned characters" in other PDFs that were certainly not stitched together, and I can show you more if you'd like.

297 posted on 05/26/2011 6:43:45 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: palmer
Could it be that the tilted M is from proximity to the binding?

298 posted on 05/26/2011 6:44:54 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: mylife
The Ahole started an international incident with Israel last week, has been punked by Netanyahu twice in less than a week.
He is in violation of the war powers act in Libya, inflation is getting its claws into the average American, a trillion dollars were whisked away with nothing to show us for it.
He’s in England making an ass of himself.

And you all are still trying to make me notice the BC.

I know I'm working on a low probability of success effort.

Why do I do it?

The problem is that anything and everything he says can be explained away as misremembering, differences in interpretation of the truth, and flat out lies. None of those are show stoppers for a politician. What? you're going to be shocked that a politician lied??? You'd be laughed out of any political meeting!

Proving he is not a 'natural born citizen' (or even a citizen at all) is an absolute show stopper. There is no defense, no plan B, no possible recovery from such a revelation. It the the wooden stake, the silver bullet, the garlic, cross and gold kryptonite. It politically kills this particular monster forever.

If we can prove to any reasonable person that he is not Constitutionally qualified, it would have a very high payoff, not only would it eliminate Obama, it would perhaps fatally damage the democrat brand.

Feel free to engage in whinging on that Obama is acting like a stupid politician. You might keep him from getting reelected, you might not. Either way you will be fighting the same battle over and over and over again as long as ether of you can draw a breath.

Even when he terms out he'll become the honored Carter of the next two generations of liberals. Unless he's proven a fraud a traitor and a laughing stock.

Stopping that is worth the effort.

299 posted on 05/26/2011 6:47:03 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 854 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE; Hotlanta Mike; nikos1121; YellowRoseofTx; Dustbunny; Think free or die; Nepeta; ..
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300 posted on 05/26/2011 6:48:32 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 854 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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