Skip to comments.All four homes in raid tied to Guerena family
Posted on 05/28/2011 1:49:58 AM PDT by petitfour
Records released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department this week show that the four houses served with search warrants the morning of May 5 - when Jose Guerena was shot and killed by a SWAT team - are less than four miles apart and are all connected to the Guerena family.
And while initial reports were that doctors told the Guerena family that Jose had been shot 60 times, the Pima County medical examiner's preliminary report says he was shot 22 times. In its sole briefing on the incident, the Sheriff's Department said SWAT team members fired 71 rounds.
Aside from releasing more than 500 pages of documents about the incident, the department has remained mum since the May 10 briefing.
The raid netted drugs, large amounts of cash, bulletproof vests, about 30 cellphones and a stolen vehicle, records show, but no arrests have been made.
(Excerpt) Read more at azstarnet.com ...
I don’t see how. The story said “No drugs or large amounts of cash were found inside Jose Guerena’s home”. Looks like a “good shoot” to you, does it? It is generally not illegal to own a .38 Colt or a bullet proof vest. The way I read this, some folks this guy knew may have been involved in drug dealing. Does that make it OK to kill him?I hope you are not affiliated with the cops in my locale. This is why I hate the war on drugs. It is not that I am fond of drugs or the people who use them. Quite the contrary. I hate the WOD because it makes otherwise rational people think it is OK to kick in doors and kill people for basically nothing without even exploring sane alternatives. Don’t you think the police could have just arrested they guy when he showed up for his next 12 hour shift and avoided all this? I think these cops are murderers, no better than any other gang of home invading thugs.
The lesson as far as I can tell from this is never lock your door and have a “Welcome To Enter” sign on it, whatever time of day or night it is...
60/71 sounded high.
Another thing the ROE of engaement in Iraq or Afghanistan appear to be much stricker than for our own Police Force in the United States.
Best report on the whole matter I’ve seen.
On all these threads on this subject, some people ask, why are so many Free Republicans up in arms, so to speak, about this? Do they want legalized drugs? Do they hate cops?
The answer is simple.
We love, cherish, and honor our FREEDOM from government that is the very essence of being an American.
Our worry is that it is a very short fall on the slippery slope for these types of tactics to be used against us for political reasons.
Don’t think so?
Perhaps. But it really does concern us.
That is why so many worry about it.
The cure (war against drugs) is far worse than the disease (drug abuse).
Sounds like a huge success. At least they can use the money for MORE weapons and MORE assets to continue their war on drugs.
It’s kind of scary watching the video released by the Sheriff’s Office. Once the shooting begins a couple of the officers draw their handguns, point into the doorway and empty without any pretense of aiming. If that house had been full of people there is no way of telling how many others would have been hit. Complete amateurs in my opinion.
Non sequitur? Do you even know what that means? My reference was in regard to yours on canines.
Yep, I know what you were referencing. Apparently the point I was making sailed over your head.
1) The confiscated $92,000 from a home. So far no evidence that it is related to illegal activity.
2) The police report confiscated a small amount of marijuana in the stove of one home. Possible misdemeanor citation.
3) No other illegal items have been found.
So you are saying if they find a bag of marijuana in my brothers house a mile away the Men in Black are justified to shoot me 22 times, despite the fact there is no evidence of my involvement?
Exactly, the video of the SWAT raid shows a distinct level of unprofessionalism.
1) Music playing in the raid vehicle. This interferes with commands and operators hearing radio traffic.
2) The stack was not set up properly.
3) The shield man tripped and fell.
4) A flash bang was used which confused members into thinking they were being shot at when there was no gun fire by the home owner.
5) No care or consideration was given to shots as there was child home.
6) Police gun fire went through the home and entered neighbors homes putting them at risk.
7) SWAT commander states he was scared by the gun fire by the home owner that did not exist.
8) SWAT commander states he could not see into the home yet he was sure the homeowner was pointing a gun.
9) Official police story has changed several times.
Are you aware that NO arrests have been made ... even in connection with the raid on the dead man's brother's home?
What happened here is that the SWAT with 10 seconds warning, breached the front door of a home whose residents' sole 'problem' was a family relationship to someone else at another address suspected of criminal activity. The SWAT member carrying the shield tripped and fell. Those crowding behind him panicked, apparently thought he had been shot and laid down "suppressive" fire down the hallways as they dragged him to safety.
Of course the cop haters will have a field day with this case. That's because this is a classic, and getting to be all too common, case of the abuse of police powers. Please research Sheriff Dupnik of Pima County, follow this for a few more days, and then repost. Be interested in your considered opinion.
It seems what we have here is the potential for an honest-to-God Greek tragedy.
Hard working ex-Marine is gunned down in his home by trigger-happy SWAT team.
There is, of course, the problem that members of Guerena and Celeya families have been arrested on numerous occasions and are involved in drug trafficking. Their homes have been used for both drops and storage, and murders may have taken place within them. Because I despise Sheriff Dupnik, I am willing to pin the blame for shoddy work on his SWAT team. There is, however, one very troubling aspect to all of this. In Jose’s garage was found a Border Patrol hat. That one sticks in my craw.
His department needs a top-to-bottom clean-out. Dirty and inept.
I saw on ABC this morning that Garcia was suspected of being involved in home invasions of drug dealers, and had body armor marked “U.S. Border Patrol.” Comment?
I am not a Marine, but I take insult at that remark. Every branch of the military has it fair share of losers after they were discharged.
Don’t forget John F’n Kerry - he served in Vietnam.