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A Call For Light Bulb Sanity
Real Clear Markets ^ | 06/02/2011 | Diana Furchtgott-Roth

Posted on 06/02/2011 4:41:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

WASHINGTON--America doesn't usually have shortages. Consumers as a rule can find what they want to buy at stores or online. But in 212, days, on January 1, 2012, Americans won't be able to buy 100-watt incandescent light bulbs, the kind Thomas Edison invented and the only kind many of us know-and prefer.

That's because incandescent light bulbs are being phased out by wattage over a two-year period, starting January 2012. The 100-watt bulb will be the first to be outlawed, by act of Congress, followed by 75-watt bulbs in January 2013, and 60- and 40-watt bulbs in January 2014.

So consumers who want to stock up have seven months to buy 100-watt bulbs, 19 months to buy 75-watt bulbs, and 31 months to buy 60- and 40-watt bulbs.

The legislation outlawing the 130-year old light bulb was introduced in 2007 by then-Representative Jane Harman, a California Democrat who resigned in February, and Representative Fred Upton, a Michigan Republican. The bill was rolled into the Energy Independence and Security Act, signed by President George W. Bush in December 2007.

The reason for ending the use of incandescent bulbs is to save energy. They burn more electricity than do several newer types of bulbs.

Mr. Upton is now chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. While lobbying among Republicans for the position, he promised to try to repeal the section of the 2007 energy bill that prohibits incandescent bulbs.

"We have heard the grass roots loud and clear, and will have a hearing early next Congress," he said last December. "The last thing we wanted to do was infringe upon personal liberties - and this has been a good lesson that Congress does not always know best."

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KEYWORDS: cfl; incandescent; lightbulb
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1 posted on 06/02/2011 4:42:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“... and this has been a good lesson that Congress does not always know best.”

Well, Duh!


2 posted on 06/02/2011 4:44:21 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: SeekAndFind

LED bulbs will be great once the price drops. CFL bulbs are just idiocy.


3 posted on 06/02/2011 4:45:41 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

Freakin Morons


4 posted on 06/02/2011 4:47:15 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: SeekAndFind
I post this anytime I see something on the lightbulb farce...

This is the unaltered graphic from Livermore Labs....

And this is my analysis of the government issued data on energy savings by using CFL bulbs overlaid on it...

5 posted on 06/02/2011 4:48:48 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Congress made money from this law.

There is no other reason.

It is like CAP AND TRADE.

Secret deals among the elite in US Congress.


6 posted on 06/02/2011 4:49:01 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: rbg81

RE: CFL bulbs are just idiocy.

The big question is, if this is so, why are they being foisted upon Americans, BY LAW?

Truly when Congress ( especially a Democratic Congress ) is in session, I just get nervous and begin thinking to myself -— wht kookie idea will they think of next and what lifestyle of mine will be made illegal next?


7 posted on 06/02/2011 4:49:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: roaddog727

And as always known the replacement bulbs can’t be put into the trash because they contain mercury. Theye is also a large increase of health problems in countries that produce them. Bottom line is safe energy and kill people or not.


8 posted on 06/02/2011 4:49:56 AM PDT by nnn0jeh
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To: SeekAndFind
When will Americans and the States wake up and repeal the Commerce Clause?
9 posted on 06/02/2011 4:51:14 AM PDT by Federalist Society
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To: SeekAndFind

Personal pet peeve; this is bullsh1t.

This, and the fact that the dishwasher detergent is now crap-by-government-mandate.

Bullsh1t.


10 posted on 06/02/2011 4:54:24 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree, light bulb should not be mandated by law. Same deal with toilets. CFLs actually turn your house into a toxic waste site if broken.


11 posted on 06/02/2011 4:54:58 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

Congress and the central socialist government: keep you damned noses out of what small speck remains of US manufacturing and out of our lives!

You have been so busy redesigning our cars and toilets you have failed to do what many have elected you to do: decimate the DC monster.

One fact I’ve discovered is that when you bloviating idiots are in session the stock market slides. It does much better when you crawl back into your DC area digs.


12 posted on 06/02/2011 4:56:36 AM PDT by IbJensen (Welfare: putting a cake under the sink expecting that it wont attract cockroaches.)
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To: Jack Hammer

I assume you’ve seen the discussions here about adding about 1/4 tsp of real TSP per dishwasher load?


13 posted on 06/02/2011 4:57:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SeekAndFind

Black market light bulbs - who would have ever thought?


14 posted on 06/02/2011 4:59:02 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind
( especially a Democratic Congress )

It was RINO Bush who signed this crap into law in the first place.

15 posted on 06/02/2011 5:02:41 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: rbg81
CFLs actually turn your house into a toxic waste site if broken.

CFL's in the hands of multiple flash mob's...I don't want to even think about it...Cloward and Piven might though.

16 posted on 06/02/2011 5:03:00 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

just gotta do what a company over in germany did after incandescents were banned in the eu.. rebrand them as 100watt incandescent heat sources.
seems pretty reasonable, as the big complaint from the greenies is that 90%+ of the energy used is emitted as heat.


17 posted on 06/02/2011 5:08:51 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: SeekAndFind

My local (pro-socialist) paper just ran a lengthy article explaining that congress didn’t actually set out to outlaw incandescants - they just defined energy standards (for our own benefit of course).

And it just happens that the lowly incandescant doesn’t meet those standards.

Who knew?

Representative Fred Upton: “The last thing we wanted to do was infringe upon personal liberties”

That’s why he introduced a bill that does that very thing. And that is why Congress has been eroding personal liberty year in and year out since the days of Woodrow wilson.


18 posted on 06/02/2011 5:09:05 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. -- John Steinbeck)
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To: rlmorel
Virtually ALL of the savings possible in the national grid with fluorescent lights were attained decades back.

By the time Congress got around to worrying about lightbulbs MOST residential use was in fluorescent lights as well.

The error in your thinking is that residential usage consists of mostly lighting. Actually it's heating, cooling and cooking. Lighting usage is negligible!

19 posted on 06/02/2011 5:09:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rlmorel
Virtually ALL of the savings possible in the national grid with fluorescent lights were attained decades back.

By the time Congress got around to worrying about lightbulbs MOST residential use was in fluorescent lights as well.

The error in your thinking is that residential usage consists of mostly lighting. Actually it's heating, cooling and cooking. Lighting usage is negligible!

20 posted on 06/02/2011 5:10:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nnn0jeh

Why can’t the ambulance chasers take up a class action suit against GE on these hazardous bulbs?


21 posted on 06/02/2011 5:13:35 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: rlmorel
I'm not the greatest at reading graphs, but since the green line is above the red line, does that mean that energy use will actually increase with CFL use?

If so, that's an additional reason to get rid of the darn things.

22 posted on 06/02/2011 5:15:25 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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Commies are going to take away my dimmer switches! I love my dimmer switches.


23 posted on 06/02/2011 5:18:45 AM PDT by Casie
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To: from occupied ga

“It was RINO Bush who signed this crap into law in the first place.”

Thank you. Bush was as bad as a Democrat in many areas.


24 posted on 06/02/2011 5:20:22 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Jack Hammer

The list of government CRAP is almost endless. Toilet flushing, light bulbs by dimbulbs, air conditioning refrigerant, fuel standards, parking spaces for the handicapped, and a thousand other issues in that regard. Just consider how much federal government is found in the average vehicle. Seat belts, air bags, fuel use standards, glass, weight, safety standards galore, lighting, and on and on. The list is indeed endless, not to mention DISGUSTING.

WE THE PEOPLE are just incapable of regulating our lives to the standards of bureaucrats liberals, and elected officials.


25 posted on 06/02/2011 5:24:47 AM PDT by wita
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To: FreedomPoster

No—I haven’t seen that discussion, and would like to. What is TSP?


26 posted on 06/02/2011 5:25:55 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: SeekAndFind

“The last thing we wanted to do was infringe upon personal liberties “ Upton

“No man’s life, liberty or property are safe while the legislature is in session.” Judge Gideon J. Tucker


27 posted on 06/02/2011 5:28:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: rlmorel

Your chart shows that incandescents, then, use 12% of 4.65% of the electricity generated... or .558% of electricity generated.

This shows it’s about CONTROL, not about being more efficient.

Just as a site that I post often says - man-made CO2 accounts for 0.117% of the total greenhouse effect.

It’s about control of people’s energy usage, and therefore control of people.


28 posted on 06/02/2011 5:33:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: roaddog727

So where is the repeal?

We don’ need no stinkin hearings!


29 posted on 06/02/2011 5:35:02 AM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: rbg81

Saw at Lowes a LED flood light going for $56.00 and it was on sale.


30 posted on 06/02/2011 5:36:16 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: SeekAndFind

Does anyone know if this phase out includes the ‘industrial incandescent’ bulb also? I know they make a separate bulb for use in hospitals and other industrial apps that are longer life than the household bulb.


31 posted on 06/02/2011 5:37:04 AM PDT by deport
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To: deoetdoctrinae; MrB

No...the red stripe is what energy use is WITH incandescents...and the green stripe is what light bulb usage in residences would be if there was 100% adoption of CFL’s.

MrB is exactly correct...this is about control.


32 posted on 06/02/2011 5:37:59 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: DollyCali; markomalley; Bockscar; Thunder90; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Normandy; FreedomPoster; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

33 posted on 06/02/2011 5:43:04 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: basil

Tri-Sodium Phosphate

Phosphates are banned from laundry and dishwasher detergents in many areas. Most manufacturers have gone to nationwide formulations, so all areas get phosphate-free product.

You can still manage to buy real TSP as a painting prep cleaning chemical, but you have to be careful you are getting the real stuff. You then add a little to your dishwasher or laundry detergent.

Here are a couple of recent threads on the topic.

Why Everything Is Dirtier
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2718206/posts

How to get your dishwasher back (Make phosphate detergent) Vanity
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2673141/posts


34 posted on 06/02/2011 5:43:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: muawiyah

Actually, my graph is correct. In the yellow rectangle it is explained...

Of ALL energy used, 4.65% of that goes to ALL residential uses.

Of ALL residential uses, 12% of THAT goes to lighting (which is the red stripe that takes up 12% of the mustard colored pipeline inbound into the Residential block (approximately, I just winged it to get the relative width somewhat the right size)

Does that make sense? It is kind of a hard concept to explain, but I got that 12% of all residential use is lighting number from the Department of Energy website.


35 posted on 06/02/2011 5:44:30 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: SeekAndFind
CFLScrews
36 posted on 06/02/2011 5:47:24 AM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: DownInFlames

Yeah, but we all know prices will come down. Sure it will be affordable in 3 years, if not sooner.


37 posted on 06/02/2011 5:47:50 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: FreedomPoster

Yes, but it’s a pain in the neck. And pointless, too, inasmuch as the restaurant stuff still has the phosphates in it.


38 posted on 06/02/2011 5:49:22 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: muawiyah

If you look at the graph, the other two lines leading into residential use are Gas (4.87% of all energy use is gas usage going directly to residential uses, heating, dryers, stoves, etc) and Oil (1.16% of all energy use is oil usage going directly to homes as heating oil) both of which don’t contribute to lighting.


39 posted on 06/02/2011 5:52:34 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: Jack Hammer

-—This, and the fact that the dishwasher detergent is now crap-by-government-mandate.-—

You can still get the good dishwasher detergent.

http://www.restockit.com/cascade-automatic-dishwasher-detergent-85-oz-%2834953pg%29.html


40 posted on 06/02/2011 5:54:26 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: SeekAndFind

Mr. Upton is now chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. While lobbying among Republicans for the position, he promised to try to repeal the section of the 2007 energy bill that prohibits incandescent bulbs.

Didn’t President Bush sign this garbage?


41 posted on 06/02/2011 5:55:58 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: FreedomPoster

Thank you! That seems easy enough.........


42 posted on 06/02/2011 5:59:32 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: muawiyah
To me, well designed graphs are a thing of beauty, and when I saw this one from Lawrence Livermore Labs, I fell in love with it (figuratively speaking)

This one below is my favorite graph of all time, because it shows up to five different data points in a brilliant design that intuitively lets you see all of them at a easily and can be understood at a glance!

It describes Napoleon's advance on and retreat from Moscow...I am amazed every time I look at it. His army was destroyed. Amazing.

He left France and advanced on Moscow with 422,000 men and came back with 10,000. Good God.

43 posted on 06/02/2011 5:59:47 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: Iron Munro

Yep. I view Woodrow Wilson as the real start of it. That despicable statist do-gooder was a pox on our country, and the pustules are bursting now.

I hate having to look at his damned face every time I pull a dime out of my pocket.


44 posted on 06/02/2011 6:03:12 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rlmorel
I love that graphic... and what is stunning to me is that we lose as much energy ("rejected energy") from electricity generation (as I understand it, the majority of the loss is along the power lines) as we use from petroleum for transportation (gas and oil). Rather than concentrating so hard on forcing free citizens to choose more efficient vehicles, why don't we hear more about savings on this side of the equation??

Our total rejected energy is more than our total energy use.
In electricity generation, we lose 2/3 of our energy to waste.
In transportation, 3/4 of our energy is wasted (hence looking at MPG isn't a terrible idea... I just wonder why it is the primary focus of Congress. Actually, I don't. It's about control.)

45 posted on 06/02/2011 6:03:30 AM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: SeekAndFind
why are [CFLs] being foisted upon Americans, BY LAW?

Lobbyists. One thing the anti-capitalist anti-corporate "green" dew-eyed Left doesn't get is that their adamant insistence on forcing their ways & views in fact creates opportunities for well-connected capitalist environment-agnostic cold-hearted corporations to cozy up to legislators and enforce laws that make them gobs of money. The light-bulb industry must be pretty stable and entrenched in incandescents; what better for CFL makers than to encourage passage of a law which bans the competition and forces the wholesale replacement of billions of units at steep profits? The best thing the anti-corporate Left could do for their cause is stop creating high barriers which only deep-pocket companies can cross, and who like the idea of stopping smaller companies cold, with a mere few million in campaign contributions.

46 posted on 06/02/2011 6:04:56 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Jack Hammer; FreedomPoster
Yes, but it’s a pain in the neck. And pointless, too, inasmuch as the restaurant stuff still has the phosphates in it.

Like mercury bulbs it's about control, not results.

Buy you dishwasher detergent from a restaurant supply company or get it online. And start stocking up.

47 posted on 06/02/2011 6:05:50 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Are you prepared?)
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To: Stosh

Ping to Post #43. I remember you mentioning this a while back; never had the pleasure of seeing it myself ‘til now. As usual, you were right.


48 posted on 06/02/2011 6:09:06 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Teacher317

Exactly right you are!

It is a SPIT in the bucket to make people THINK the statists are trying to do something to reduce energy usage or use it more efficiently.

The powerlines is something I have thought about for a long time. I always thought that if we could ever produce cheap, room temperature superconductive material that could be drawn into wire, our energy issues would be solved.

Just think about how having room temperature superconducting wires would completely revolutionize the energy grid. All that loss...

The other thing that is interesting about that graph (the unaltered one) is the teeny, tiny 0.12% net energy imports (the nearly invisible line the juts out of the top of the mustard colored line like a stray hair from a cowlick...what the heck is THAT? Electricity imported from Mexico or Canada?


49 posted on 06/02/2011 6:11:45 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: Teacher317

...er...that is 0.12% net ELECTRICITY imports, not energy imports...


50 posted on 06/02/2011 6:15:15 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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