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A Call For Light Bulb Sanity
Real Clear Markets ^ | 06/02/2011 | Diana Furchtgott-Roth

Posted on 06/02/2011 4:41:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

WASHINGTON--America doesn't usually have shortages. Consumers as a rule can find what they want to buy at stores or online. But in 212, days, on January 1, 2012, Americans won't be able to buy 100-watt incandescent light bulbs, the kind Thomas Edison invented and the only kind many of us know-and prefer.

That's because incandescent light bulbs are being phased out by wattage over a two-year period, starting January 2012. The 100-watt bulb will be the first to be outlawed, by act of Congress, followed by 75-watt bulbs in January 2013, and 60- and 40-watt bulbs in January 2014.

So consumers who want to stock up have seven months to buy 100-watt bulbs, 19 months to buy 75-watt bulbs, and 31 months to buy 60- and 40-watt bulbs.

The legislation outlawing the 130-year old light bulb was introduced in 2007 by then-Representative Jane Harman, a California Democrat who resigned in February, and Representative Fred Upton, a Michigan Republican. The bill was rolled into the Energy Independence and Security Act, signed by President George W. Bush in December 2007.

The reason for ending the use of incandescent bulbs is to save energy. They burn more electricity than do several newer types of bulbs.

Mr. Upton is now chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. While lobbying among Republicans for the position, he promised to try to repeal the section of the 2007 energy bill that prohibits incandescent bulbs.

"We have heard the grass roots loud and clear, and will have a hearing early next Congress," he said last December. "The last thing we wanted to do was infringe upon personal liberties - and this has been a good lesson that Congress does not always know best."

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To: SeekAndFind

And while you’re at it, Freddie, how’s about repealing that moronic toilet regulation that forces the rest of us to either deal with toilets that do not flush right, or to shell out megabucks for a throne that actually works?


51 posted on 06/02/2011 6:38:19 AM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: SeekAndFind

Republicans keep talking and talking and talking about this...but the never seem to actually DO anything about it...does not give me a lot of warm fuzzies.


52 posted on 06/02/2011 6:39:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rlmorel

Thanks for the graph.

Actually, the energy savings from abandoning incandescents is even less than that illustrated in the graph.

As I always point out when this topic is raised, it’s automatically assumed that the 90 - 95% of energy not given off as light in an incandenscent is wasted. That is sometimes true, but usually not.

That remaining energy is lost as heat. Anytime you’re heating your home, that heat is not wasted - it simply adds to the net warmth, and hence decreases the amount of energy you have to use to run your furnace.

When your home heating is off, heat from the bulbs is wasted; when your AC is on, it’s doubly wasted, since you have to “fight” the waste heat by using more AC. But the latter situations occur in late spring/summer/early fall, when days are long and lights are used less.

I expect the manufacure of LCD’s and LED’s are more energy-intensive than incandescents as well.

Bottom line - the whole farce makes almost no difference in practical terms, it just makes enviro-weenies feel good about their self-righteousness.


53 posted on 06/02/2011 6:58:13 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Thanks for the ping - I always enjoy lightbulb threads, even when Napolean isn’t leading the march.


54 posted on 06/02/2011 7:01:24 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: DownInFlames
Saw at Lowes a LED flood light going for $56.00 and it was on sale.

And a year ago you probably would not have seen an LED flood light at any price. Like lots of semiconductor-based items, the price has been going down for years. The brightness has been going up, too. A few years back, LED flashlights were mostly novelty and could not compete with Maglite-type flashlights. Now they are very bright and dominate the flashlight area.

Amazon has a 630 Lumen (50 watt equivalent) floodlight bulb for $22.50

Within a year, that LED floodlight will be more like $12, and within three years it will be $4. Even at the current price, it starts being attractive for locations where old-farts like me have to get up on tall ladders to get to.

55 posted on 06/02/2011 7:33:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

Typical for product life cycle.


56 posted on 06/02/2011 7:39:21 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Darnright

“that moronic toilet regulation”

Just go to the hardware store and buy a taller fill tube. You can add another gallon and a half of water to the tank with the taller tube, and by adjusting the float valve. You need the fill tube from a cr@pper that has a taller, thinner tank. Think “French Country style.”


57 posted on 06/02/2011 7:42:38 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: wita

>>The list of government CRAP is almost endless.<<

Do you realize that the United Nations NGO’s prompted all of this nonsense?

...continue to support the UN if you like where we are headed.


58 posted on 06/02/2011 7:45:58 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: rbg81
LED bulbs will be great once the price drops.

Everyone in my neck of the woods use 100 watt bulbs to keep their well pumps from freezing in winter. LED? Yea right.

59 posted on 06/02/2011 7:55:52 AM PDT by houeto (Rev. 13. [7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:)
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To: Stosh

You are probably right...I assume that the gray lines to the right of wasted energy incorporate that, but now that I think of it, they might not.

Yeah. Enviroweenies have this amazing capacity for self-righteousness and smugness. I had kind of a funny experience last week, my wife and I went to New Mexico on vacation, and ended up renting a Chevy Malibu (which I completely thought was a piece of crap to drive, but...my wife didn’t want to splurge. I thought a Dodge Charger or Mustang would have been fun on vacation to drive around New Mexico, but...she planned it, so she got to choose...:)

Anyway, I have never driven one of the new Mustangs, and when we were returning the car, I saw an older couple returning a Mustang. As we got on the shuttle to the airport, I thought the couple (a couple of early sixty hippie looking types, but one can never tell) was sitting across from me.

I asked “Excuse me, I was just curious...did you folks rent a Mustang...I was just wondering how it was to rent one?”

The guy and his wife looked at me incredulously, and said smugly with a tone of superiority “Oh, no. We would never rent a car like that. We rented a Prius.”

Obviously, I had mis-recognized them, and clearly, some people would rent a car like only because it would use less gas driving and would save some money, but the tone of voice and look on the face said it all...what their voices and faces said was:

“Oh, no. We would never drive a bourgeois and wasteful car like that which guzzles gas needlessly and destroys the environment the way most Americans are indifferent to. We care, and want to protect Gaia.”

It was everything I could do to keep from bursting out laughing...


60 posted on 06/02/2011 7:57:37 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: basil
What is TSP

tri-sodium phosphate

61 posted on 06/02/2011 8:00:45 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: SeekAndFind

I am hoarding all sizes of the incandescent bulbs. I bought several 8 packs on sale at the hardware store the other day.


62 posted on 06/02/2011 8:11:15 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back.)
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To: houeto
100 watt bulbs to keep their well pumps from freezing in winter

You can wire up 4 of them to get the same effect at lower voltage/wattage per bulb with the effect of the bulbs lasting many times longer. Wire two in series. This drops the wattage per bulb to 25W, but with two of them you're back to 50W, then wire two of the series combinations in parallel and you're back to 100 watts. Uses four bulbs, but lasts about 12 times longer than a single bulb because you're only running each bulb at 1/4 of its power rating.

63 posted on 06/02/2011 8:14:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
It was RINO Bush who signed this crap into law in the first place.

True, but he would have had the (d) majority led house override his veto. I am not defending him on the signing, but it would have been totally useless to veto the bill.

64 posted on 06/02/2011 8:18:12 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back.)
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To: houeto
Everyone in my neck of the woods use 100 watt bulbs to keep their well pumps from freezing in winter. LED? Yea right.

I use 100 watt bulbs to keep my outside plants from freezing when the temps drop into the 20 or teens.

65 posted on 06/02/2011 8:21:07 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back.)
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To: rlmorel

Here’s a question that I doubt could be answered....

Ignoring fluctuations in winter/summer, north/south...How much light is used during the day? I would guess that any calculations are assuming an even distribution of use across daytime and evening. If so, that’s certainly inaccurate.

Considering that no one really knows for sure how much energy use is attributed to lighting, but the numbers are guestimates, I think the whole thing is flawed.


66 posted on 06/02/2011 8:21:52 AM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Blennos

Yep ... that is what I buy from Restockit. My dishes and pots have never been cleaner!


67 posted on 06/02/2011 8:23:03 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: basil

It really works....much more sparkle to the silverware; a dash in the laundry washing machine is also beneficial.


68 posted on 06/02/2011 8:23:19 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: wita

I think you missed in your list that new hot water heaters have a much lower temperature limit. I’m not 100% sure on that, but I read a lot of frugal blogs, and that has been mentioned several times by commenters when the various ‘use cold instead of hot water to wash’ suggestions come up.

I use cold and warm, but do occasionally use hot. Irks the heck out of me....


69 posted on 06/02/2011 8:26:52 AM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: B4Ranch

Your tax dollars are supporting the UN. Stop!

My tax dollars are returned to me. /sarc sort of.


70 posted on 06/02/2011 8:28:36 AM PDT by wita
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To: Arrowhead1952
but it would have been totally useless to veto the bill.

Absolutely not true. IT MIGHT have been overridden and might not have been. We'll never know. It MIGHT have put some backbone into the Republicans whose political philosophy has been pre-emptive surrender on every liberal initiative that the left threw at them from no child left behind to the prescription drug give away.

71 posted on 06/02/2011 8:30:20 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: houeto

The big advantage of LED bulbs is 1) much lower power consumption. An LED bulb with the light of a 100W incandescent bulb will consume less than 15W. 2) They have a 100,000 hour life vs 5000 for an incandescent bulb (20X longer). Further, there is no single point failure, so they can continue to be used and degrade gracefully. Again, too expensive now, but once the price drops should be great.

Guess I don’t have your problem w/well pumps; I use my bulbs for light, not heat.


72 posted on 06/02/2011 8:31:08 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Patriotic1

Have not heard the water heater business. Must have something to do with scalding. Just pull the thing out and use cold or boil a pot or two when someone has a baby.


73 posted on 06/02/2011 8:37:57 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

Scalding sounds right, but this is more about control via ‘energy consumption’. Now the new water heaters use less energy.

I prefer to wash my towels, blankets, etc in hot. I also enjoy long, hot showers. This requires *hot* water! As an adult, I’ve learned not to scald myself.


74 posted on 06/02/2011 8:59:12 AM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I have bought 5 years worth of DW detergent from Restockit and store it in my garage.

It is only a matter of time before the power-mad fed bureaucrats figure out that a few of us are circumventing their rules. Every consumer choice must be controlled. Every last bit of economic liberty must be quashed. Liberty is fading in this country.


75 posted on 06/02/2011 10:20:06 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: basil
The trick is to get real TSP! There is a TSP substitute, and it's labeled "TSP" (The word "Substitute" is on the label, really small compared to the "TSP") Don't waste your time going to Lowe's, they don't stock it anywhere. Home Depot has it. It's in the paint section. Buy 10 lbs while they still have it.
76 posted on 06/02/2011 2:28:55 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: ballplayer

“Freakin Morons”

Mega Ditto’s, both parties. I’m nearing the end of my rope with this bunch.


77 posted on 06/02/2011 4:54:32 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint 2012! or Herman Cain 2012!)
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To: absolootezer0

Right on! They ARE “incandescent heat sources” and I have used them a such several times.


78 posted on 06/02/2011 5:30:04 PM PDT by jonathonandjennifer
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