Skip to comments.End Near for Zimbabwe's Last White Farmers
Posted on 06/02/2011 7:47:24 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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Any follow up? Did she get better grades than BH0?
After UDI politics did indeed become more radicalised, leading to the "bush war", actively encouraged by leftists in the west not to forget the USSR. The elections were like recent EU votes, keep voting until the "correct" result (Mugabe) then go home.
Zanu-PF was created after independence as a settlement to halt the near civil war post-1980 with Mugabe's Zanu (Shona) massacring anyone (Ndebele) supporting Nkomo's Zapu.
well, it wasn’t “overwhelming” — I was surprised but the culture across Macau-Goa-Daman-Mozambique-Portugal-Brazil is or was more or less uniformly Portuguese. So they didn’t keep “racial purity”, but culturally they won.
Well, don’t forget that Zambia and Zimbabwe were Rhodesia, namely after the opportunist Rhodes who carved out his personal empire there in the 1800s. It was time to change the name. But the collapse did not happen due to the name change but due to populist, in fact communistic policies
I hope they do well in Mozambique and Zambia — they can transform these countries. Also, these white farmers are “African” — many would never feel at home in Europe or America.
Can you give more details please?
That's not strictly true in all cases (and definitely not in the 3 you put together)
in the case of Burma to Myanmar, this happened in 1989, long after the military coup in 1962.
Ceylon changed to Sri Lanka at the time it became a republic (from 1955 - 60 it was a protectorate and then I think a dominion like Canada -- need to check that)
The reason for the change is the term Ceylon is derived from Sinhala -- the majority folks there. By changing to Sri Lanka, this was to be more inclusive of Tamils I'd guess. However, the Tamils were already at a disadvantage from 1956 when the Sri Lankans made only one language -- Sinhalese. Sinhalese is an Indo-european language and Tamil is a dravidian language -- the scripts are different and both are definitely anything BUT mutually intelligible. So the problem started before the name change
The Ivory Coast is and has been majority French speaking so their official name always was Côte d'Ivoire. I think they asked for the name in English to be Côte d'Ivoire not the English translation in the 80s. Their problems started over a decade later. In short -- they never had an official name change.
The indians actually were the African “Jews” — providing the lifeblood of trading and commerce in much of the continent
Not true. Northern Africa was always tied to europe and among the first written languages (Egyptian) is from there
Also, to the south of Egypt, the first Christian country, Ethiopia had a written language for centuries, Amharic written in Ge'ez dating back to the 9th century BC.
south and West of that -- yes, no written language
I doubt that would be very difficult.....
0bama wants to emulate Mugabe, but he is as innumerate as he is intemperate..
If we call Burma “Myanmar” and Ivory Coast “Côte d’Ivoire”, why don’t we call Germany “Deutschland”?
I think the cultural stamp of the Portuguese was why East Timor has been granted independence/recognition (from Indonesia); while the Portuguese lost the colony, the people (mostly Catholic) could never fit in the larger nation. They had nothing in common with Indonesians at that point.
Unfortunately a growing number of people have similar stories; in fact now women are also the “beneficiaries” of these programs. I always remind my sons that most things they see around them were invented and/or manufactured by men; because of the diversity in my neighborhood, many of their friends are Hispanic, Middle Eastern, or from the Asian subcontinent, so the whole “patriarchal” thing is always reinforced outside of the home as well. My Hispanic wife in fact encourages it.
I have a bowl made in East Timor, it is stamped on there, it must have been made in the 1930’s or earlier, it was my grandmother’s. There are depictions of Asian and Oriental people on it.
Only on Hawaiian birth certificates.
On average we 'lose' MORE than that EVERY DAY from CHOICE.
Africa Wins Again.
Most of them are Asian/Oriental, but they are Christian & speak Portuguese. Look at the names of their leaders in the news; the roster could be in Lisbon.
You’re right; in another century, when all of the “Euro-Americans” have disappeared from this continent, the New Americans will wonder how so many people silently watched America’s Holocaust...
However, Cote d'Ivoire technically was always Cote d'Ivoire in English (officially!) hence it seems to me to be preferable.
Of course, whatever you personally want to call it unofficially is your (and my) choice -- I call them Burma and Ivory Coast too at home.
And do remember my point was that it is not historically true that after "reversion to its older name the country reverts to the slit trench"
Yes, the cultural stamp in the case of East Timor. The difference between Indonesia and India is that Indonesia is dominated by the Moslems while India is dominated by Hinduism which is more a meta-religion than a religion. Hence Catholic Goans could feel more at home in India than Catholic Timorese in Indonesia
The Portuguese mostly had the right idea when it came to colonies -- these were places that were first and foremost to spread the religion, secondly to become Portuguese and thirdly for commerce.
For the English, Dutch, Belgians etc. commerce was #1 and that's why the Dutch legacy in Indonesia is pretty minimal to nonexistent.
I was reading on the circumstances in which Brazil became "independent" from Portugal and they are strange -- neither side wanted it and Brazil was technically not even a colony but one integral part of the Portuguese kingdom (or a sister kingdom - can't remember exactly).
The British cultural influence was also good -- they establised infrastructure and their language. The French, not so good, they established infrastructure and their language but never really let go, hence Vietnam, Algeria, West AFrica etc....
The Dutch and Belgians were the worst -- blind, naked capitalism which gives capitalism a bad name -- robber barons in the case of the Belgians in the Congo (why do I suddenly hear a Billy Joel song in my head? ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Talking of Germany — I wonder if there is any other country that has so many different names in different languages? Germany in English, Deutschland in German, Niemcy in Polish, Allemagne in French, Saksma in Finnish, Volkiejte in Lithuanian and Ashkenaz in Yiddish (I think — not sure about the latter).
The problem is that many are still tied to this land. They are Africans, white but African.
Technically most Timorese are of the same “race” as the peoples of the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia and Polynesia — I forget the term. Quite a few are almost pure-blood Portuguese (like their ex-President or foreign minister or something) and most, I’m guessing, have a lot of Portuguese blood — the Portuguese mingled!
Brazil was a strange situation because a Portuguese prince became their first king (though the monarchy didn’t last very long). Britain probably best prepared their colonies for eventual independence, while France probably had the most intermarriage with their colonial people (going back to the Canadian natives). You’re also right that Holland & Belgium were probably the most unloved colonizers. Spain’s influence seems to have been the strongest on its colonies in terms of an indelible imprint on the people; that may be because so many Spaniards themselves became the governments of the independent colonies, and to this day form the upper/ruling class in most of them.
They were also in some faraway places long before other European powers set up shop in the area.
"France probably had the most intermarriage with their colonial people" -- I always thought the French were aloof (Vietnam, Algeria, West AFrica) compared to the Spanish.
The French and English and Dutch only came along in the 1600s and the English and French only really made headway in the early 1700s.
Britain’s system was actually ingenious, and probably the reason why their empire outlasted so many others (and kept close ties even after independence). They would take a dominant group (Zulus, for instance), and basically use them to control the situation on the ground in return for a higher standard of living. The legacy of this policy in South Africa is the antagonism between the ANC and the Zulus, who have their own hierarchy; the Zulus have lost some of the status they enjoyed in the colony. When independence eventually came (usually without the violence of Angola or Algeria), many saw benefits to keeping close ties with Britain.
The French intermarried a lot in Canada and Vietnam; I haven’t heard much about it in West Africa or the Caribbean, so probably not much. The Spanish themselves had a lot of intermarriage early on, but to this day much of the upper classes in Hispanic countries is pure Spanish blood. As these countries revert to “native” rule (Cuba, Venezuela), some of those people take the opportunity to return to Spain.
The Turks would do business after Constantinople fell, but for a price; Europe was simply looking for way to bypass them, as you mention. It wasn’t until 1492 that the last Muslim bastion in Spain fell.
When you look at how Spain holds on in Morocco (cities along the coast, like Ceuta), I’m surprised that the whites in South Africa didn’t attempt something similar: stake a claim on land (preferably along the coast for security purposes), and live in a 100% white country rather than attempt to govern as 10% in a black country. Even the part of Morocco that Spain left (”Western Sahara”) is resisting Moroccan claims - they insist that Morocco flooded them with settlers to skew any balloting.
true! The Commonwealth is basically "the club of those who were once ruled by the English PLUS Mozambique" :)
You are so right about the British "divide and rule" policy. They used a lot of proxies which is how a small island once ruled 1/4th of the world.
Though many languages of course translate country names differently — like when I lived in Bruxelles I said I was from Les États-Unis, now I say I’m from Stany Zjedoczone! If you can get your tongue twisted around the latter at the first go, I salute you :-) I wasn’t able to!
This reminds me of a SNL skit:
You mean he didn’t get them all yet? I’m surprised.
How sporting of them to have show eviction trials instead of just machine gunning the farmers.
In fact I’m surprised all the remaining Whites in the country haven’t all been put in concentration camps or at least forced to have the N-word tattooed on their foreheads so they know their place.
Bu,t I thought only “da white man” were racist? WTH?
Soetoro would love to turn the USA into Zimbabwe.
Some Obama-style redistribution!
Africa wins again.