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End Near for Zimbabwe's Last White Farmers
VOA ^ | May 30, 2011 | Peta Thornycroft

Posted on 06/02/2011 7:47:24 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: Cronos

I don’t think they had the same rigid system SA did, but the country was ruled by whites with most land owned by whites, so blacks lived as serfs from what I understand. One difference was probably that Rhodesians were British-descended, while many of the whites in SA were Dutch-descended. After winning the Boer War, Britain made sure not to alienate the losers; they needed them to keep the grip on the country.


51 posted on 06/03/2011 3:44:41 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Lancey Howard; kearnyirish2

“Now Rhodesia’s name has been changed to “Zimbabwe” and it’s become just another starving third-world toilet. I wonder what happened?”

They lost their books and don’t have any more seeds.


52 posted on 06/03/2011 3:57:39 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa

Now sub-Saharan Africa is reverting to what it would have been without Western medicine & interaction. Soon all of the people will be gone, and it will be a giant preserve.


53 posted on 06/03/2011 4:17:40 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
.....so blacks lived as serfs from what I understand...

They worked and ate and raised families. Now they are raped, killed, burned, starved (because those farms that had been built up from nothing over generations by white settlers were taken over by Mugabe suck-ups and family members and they didn't plant, they can't, even if they cared to lift a fat finger because there is no seed, no machines, no livestock -- it was all destroyed or eaten). Now, if they're lucky, the black captives of brutal dictator thug Mugabe can escape across the border to South Africa.

54 posted on 06/03/2011 4:29:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If anyone can qualify for regugee status, Zimbabwe commercial farmers ought to be among them but it seems not to be so in the western nations.

It should be noted however that Mozambique and Zambia are offering 50 year leases to displaced Zimbabwe commercial farmers. They cannot bring their employees with them, as the host countries want their own nationals to be employed.

Mozambique places an obligation on the Zimbabwe commercial farmers to undertake to learn Portugese and to be able to communicate with employees in their native Shona. The secoond requirement is not a problem as most of the displaced farmers come from the Shona areas of Zimbabwe and their employees were Shona.

The Zanu PF thugs not only violently drove out the farm owners, they also displaced the farm employees thereby increasing the massive volkerwanderung that threatened to overwhelm adjoining countries, principally South Africa.

It is unfortunate that the west seems to be so reluctant to accept the commercial farmers. They are argarian experts of the first order, principally expert in dry land farming.

55 posted on 06/03/2011 4:48:58 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

And to think there are people who can’t “see” or “recognize” evil in the world.

Thank you for the follow-up and information Clive.


56 posted on 06/03/2011 4:56:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Clive; All

Coming up on ten years:

“Zimbabwe court rules seizing of white-owned land legal”

Dec 5, 2001 - HARARE, Zimbabwe — Zimbabwe’s top court has declared the government’s plan to seize white-owned farms legal, overturning its own previous ruling that the seizures were unconstitutional.

In a judgment released Tuesday, four of the five Supreme Court justices appointed to hear the new seizure case said they were satisfied the government’s “fast track” land nationalization program was lawful and “sufficiently complied” with the constitution.

Last year’s Supreme Court ruling declared the government’s methods of land seizures illegal and in breach of constitutional ownership rights and government land laws.

Some of the judges who made that ruling have been replaced in recent months.

Four of the five judges hearing the new case, including Chief Justice Godfrey Chidyausiku, were appointed recently by President Robert Mugabe. Those four voted to uphold the government’s land seizure program.

The Supreme Court traditionally had only five judges until Mugabe expanded the bench to eight in July, adding three judges considered loyal to the ruling party. The chief justice usually appoints small panels of judges to hear each case.

The opposition Movement for Democratic Change has described the court’s expansion as a political ploy designed to turn the court into a government puppet. [end excerpt]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/583991/posts?page=419


Anyone notice how the U.S. courts are packed with socialists who overturn the will of the people, making election outcomes moot?


57 posted on 06/03/2011 5:04:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Clive

And they get a really neat flag. Will the hunting industry be upgraded you think?


58 posted on 06/03/2011 6:55:08 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
If anyone with a Netflix account want to see what life is like for white Zimbabweans you can stream "Mugabe and the White African". It is an unbelievably eye opening documentary.

Mugabe and the White African

59 posted on 06/03/2011 12:19:08 PM PDT by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: kearnyirish2

I felt terrible about the individuals lost on 9/11, living a few miles west of the WTC in a town that lost people, but at the same time felt like I was watching a foreign group attack another foreign country that I happened to be living in.

What do you mean?


60 posted on 06/03/2011 12:26:12 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proven to prevent government genocide. Protect yourself!)
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To: reg45

There’s a big big difference given the racial makeup here. An interesting historical question, can a racial minority, or coalition of racial minorities, successfully cower, bully, and intimidate a larger cohort with occupancy rights into submission. And if they can, how long can it last? Oh, and the cultural identity can never be taken away. Look at the Balkans. Look at Russia.


61 posted on 06/03/2011 12:33:03 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Where’s Obama’s no-fly zone over Zimbabwe?


62 posted on 06/03/2011 12:42:50 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am in complete agreement with you; someone asked about apartheid in Rhodesia, and I answered to the best of my knowledge.

Mozambique approached Portugal years after independence, to see if they would administer it again; Portugal declined. They’re weren’t fools.


63 posted on 06/03/2011 12:43:42 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Bump!


64 posted on 06/03/2011 12:47:43 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: muawiyah

As they said, they should have moved 10 years ago.


65 posted on 06/03/2011 12:53:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Chickensoup

Besides the legalized discrimination against “white” & Asian men (in jobs, promotions, education), there are the constant anti-family, anti-Christianity messages of the government & its media (FWIW, this pre-dates Barack Obama). I constantly receive advertisements from banks and other businesses (and my alma mater) looking for my money, but they aren’t willing to show a face that looks like mine on their literature. They’ve created a fantasy world where everything is run by wise women and black men, the wishful thinking of their non-existent utopia (that certainly isn’t the reality of any workplace I’ve been in); we’re just spectators. I understand what they’re trying to accomplish; I don’t think they understand what they did accomplish. To think they’ll motivate me about an “enemy” halfway around the world, when my enemies are here, is silliness; if “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”, then who should I be rooting for?


66 posted on 06/03/2011 12:56:47 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: MinorityRepublican

“...farmers attend a meeting of white commercial farmers in capital Harare”

Where?


67 posted on 06/03/2011 12:58:44 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Dunno why they’re still there.
The need to get whatever money they might have out of the country, destroy the farm equipment and infrastructure, and RUN!


68 posted on 06/03/2011 12:58:49 PM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: kearnyirish2

“Mozambique approached Portugal years after independence, to see if they would administer it again; Portugal declined. “

That’s interesting - do you have a link to more information?


69 posted on 06/03/2011 12:59:33 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: kearnyirish2

Got it.


70 posted on 06/03/2011 1:01:53 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proven to prevent government genocide. Protect yourself!)
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To: familyop

As for other concerns about people near the Equator, many Americans have had their children permanently and officiously stolen by the globally concerned for no more reason than carrying their own water in containers while building their own water systems.

What do you mean?


71 posted on 06/03/2011 1:06:08 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proven to prevent government genocide. Protect yourself!)
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To: Lancey Howard
I wonder what happened?

Jimmy Carter happened.

72 posted on 06/03/2011 1:13:44 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: kearnyirish2

No-one ‘abandoned’ Rhodesia: they chose to become independant. More power to them.

But look what happened. The Rhodesians had Mugabe foisted onto them by America. Right in the middle of the cold war Rhodesia was forcibly converted into a murderous kleptomarxist state which even today starves and kills its own people. Not one of America’s greatest foreign policy coups.

But don’t let actual history interfere with your blinkered anti-British bigotry.


73 posted on 06/03/2011 1:37:38 PM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: kearnyirish2

I’d sow my acres with salt in the middle of the night then leave the country.


74 posted on 06/03/2011 1:41:02 PM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Blacks have proven in Africa, they aren’t up to the task of running countries. Whites need to remove themselves completely from Africa and let the blacks have it.


75 posted on 06/03/2011 1:52:00 PM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: MinorityRepublican
Only 17% of Zimbabweans approve of Robert Mugabe’s job performance – Gallup Poll

http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1766

An old poll, but I'm sure the numbers are even worse now. How he's remined alive this long is a wonder.

76 posted on 06/03/2011 1:56:55 PM PDT by americanophile (Paul Ryan 2012)
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To: LizardQueen

I don’t think the salt would be necessary.


77 posted on 06/03/2011 2:16:23 PM PDT by robertwalker62
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To: BaylorDad

I wish those farmers good luck and hope that they would take 2 of each species of animal with them when they get on the boat...


78 posted on 06/03/2011 2:30:19 PM PDT by Rocketwolf68 (Bring back the crusades)
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To: ladyjane

Oh, it would help all right. The problem is that so little of what is funneled in there, mostly by the US gooberment ever gets down to the people who need seed and books.


79 posted on 06/03/2011 2:36:58 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The opposition Movement for Democratic Change has described the court’s expansion as a political ploy designed to turn the court into a government puppet.

Just like the Progressive we know as FDR tried to do. Look for 0 to try the same.

80 posted on 06/03/2011 2:37:54 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Are you prepared?)
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To: kearnyirish2

Israel too.


81 posted on 06/03/2011 2:42:20 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Well, you’re right, except you give them too much credit———they don’t have a toilet to go into. It’s guaranteed tho, every time a country reverts to it’s older name for no real reason except maybe new-age nationalism of some sort then the economy reverts to the slit trench. Just go down the list: Burma, Ceylon, Ivory Coast -—just to recall a few quickly-—I’m getting tired already. Ain’t it curious and coincidental how Obamuzzie is doing him damdest to get us (US) also “reverted” to a mutually miserable slit trench of out own.??? Notably, while you were studying the Rhodies I was studying Aramco——the terlets are different but the direction is the same.


82 posted on 06/03/2011 2:59:01 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: TheBattman

“How come the Lamestream Media apparently COMPLETELY IGNORES this?”

Because it doesn’t fit the narrative or the template of their agenda.

The news media is one of the most corrupt institutions in the world.


83 posted on 06/03/2011 3:03:03 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: sauropod

read


84 posted on 06/03/2011 3:03:46 PM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: kearnyirish2

They’re not serfs unless they’re legally tied to the land, unable to leave and ply their trades elsewhere. And to whomever happens to be the lord of the land at that time. Make no mistake, serfdom is slavery. It’s not chattel slavery, it’s not indentured servitude, but it’s a kind all its own I suppose.

Not that you wouldn’t know all that already, mate.


85 posted on 06/03/2011 3:05:59 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: familyop

“If they, the white farmers, came to the United States, would they be classified as African-American?”

No, we have to have more illegals instead.


86 posted on 06/03/2011 3:06:35 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: kearnyirish2

I’m a reading a book written about a round-the-world motorcycle journey in the early 1970s (”Jupiter’s Travels). He describes meeting up with many Indians who were traveling “on business”. When he discussed it more with one of them over dinner, basically he was born and raised in Kenya, the crown abandoned them and he was a man without a country (the British Consulate took his passport).

He also explained the differences between Zambia and Rhodesia (N & S Rhodesia) in stark contrast. He had to go over to Botswana in order to get from Zambia to Rhodesia. This was in 1973.

I honestly didn’t know much about this history.


87 posted on 06/03/2011 3:14:06 PM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: Lancey Howard

88 posted on 06/03/2011 3:14:58 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: PLMerite

“gunning up” and defending the family digs sure seems like the natural and correct response to me. Reminds me of Mad Mike Hoar and his band of enforcers back in the 1970’s. But I never hear of these white farmers getting together for self defense, arming themselves, or even getting really mad about being invaded, robbed, run off, etc. Going to court to defend against machetes seems “inappropriate.” Are they missing a gene or something.? It seems to me if the family farm is not worth fighting for maybe they should just sign off on it??? BTW the same is true on our southern border.


89 posted on 06/03/2011 3:17:32 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: kearnyirish2

I don’t know what history book you are reading, but i suggest getting a better one.

Rhodesia unilaterally declared independence from Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unilateral_Declaration_of_Independence

Its a bit like you think that if you walk about on your parents you can claim to be abandoned by them....i think you have a certain axe to grind.....


90 posted on 06/03/2011 3:23:31 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: shield

The “Blacks”, The true “African Negro” have proven by the wonderful culture in Africa is a curse worse than Islam!

How can you expect them to improve on what we see from the “cratle of mankind”

Africa is the only area of the world without a written language.

Go figure how stupid all this is, let them starve!


91 posted on 06/03/2011 3:26:28 PM PDT by tiger63
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To: agere_contra

Britain was going to turn the government over to the blacks; with incredible foresight the Rhodesians saw the writing on the wall, and acted.

I’m sure they didn’t just wake up one day and think they could go it alone.

Britain’s history does enough damage itself; no bigotry is necessary.


92 posted on 06/03/2011 3:33:37 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: headstamp 2

I didn’t write what you replied to. It was quoted from someone else.


93 posted on 06/03/2011 3:36:03 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: LizardQueen

“I’d sow my acres with salt in the middle of the night then leave the country.”

Wouldn’t even be necessary; lions would till the soil before the Zimbabweans would. In fairness to some of the blacks, they were gainfully employed on the farms until they also were beaten/chased off the land. Wherever those farmers land, they should watch current news clips of the ensuing chaos as pornography.


94 posted on 06/03/2011 3:39:37 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Ian Smith was an honorable enough person but only a delusional person would think that a white only government can be maintained in a black majority African country. A delusion apparently shared by yourself.

Smith’s actions radicalized politics in that country and contributed to the rise of Zanu-PF.


95 posted on 06/03/2011 3:41:13 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: Chickensoup

In at least some counties, not having running water (well/plumbing etc. instead hauling water in small containers) is a legal excuse for social workers and police to take parents’ children permanently away. That has been done to parents who had clean records and were not abusive to their kids. Not that the doctrine of parens patriae shouldn’t be abolished anyway, and it will before long (see default and revolution by young folks ahead).


96 posted on 06/03/2011 3:46:22 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
According to Tony Hawkins at the University of Zimbabwe, there has been a 51 per cent fall in agricultural output between 2000 and 2007, a 47 per cent fall in industrial output, and a 35 per cent fall in resources output. Over the same period, GDP per capita has fallen back by more than 40 per cent. At the same time, inflation has risen to near the 100,000 per cent mark. The UN World Food Programme estimates that 4.2m Zimbabweans - a third of the population - will face serious food shortages
97 posted on 06/03/2011 3:48:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Stolly

Rhodesians knew Britain was going to turn over the management to blacks (as the did in Uganda & Kenya), so they acted; they certainly never preferred to fight the war alone, but saw that as the only alternative.

I’m not sure why that is hard to understand; there is hardly an axe to grind. Britain did the same thing in their African and Asian colonies, and is attempting to in its Northern Ireland colony (which is no longer an industrial powerhouse, but rather a population on the dole). If more white Brits had moved into other colonies, that scenario would have played out all over.


98 posted on 06/03/2011 3:49:26 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Stolly

I think he was desperate, and white rule was probably not morally justifiable, but you have to understand the climate in which those actions were taken and that in which the war was lost. When the whites tried to fight for it, they were flanked by two Portuguese colonies with which they could coordinate their counterinsurgency (Portugal had a military government at the time, determined to keep Angola and Mozambique), with South Africa as an ally to the south (dealing with their own insurgency). The overthrow of Portugal’s government was the kiss of death, as it put the former allies on the flanks in the hands of governments assisting the blacks in Rhodesia instead, while denying the whites assistance and arms. The white Rhodesians felt betrayed by a home government for which they had fought in 2 world wars; as far as who was right or wrong they can sort that out themselves.

I’m Irish; we had no colonies (being one ourselves), so I have no horse in this race. I do see that the lib lessons of the 1970s and 1980s have borne fruit, as many Americans here seem to have bought into the publicly disseminated nonsense about whites abusing blacks for their entertainment.


99 posted on 06/03/2011 3:58:17 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: MinorityRepublican

Any White person still in that Hell hole is crazy! Get out and let them starve.


100 posted on 06/03/2011 4:00:31 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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