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SOCIAL ISSUES FADE AS REPUBLICANS COURT CONSERVATIVES ZOT!
Reuters ^ | 6/3/11 | Steve Holland

Posted on 06/03/2011 11:49:11 AM PDT by 57 Red States

Christian conservatives looking to put a Republican in the White House heard a lot about the economy on Friday in a sign that their social issues may take a back seat in 2012.

Many political speakers at the Faith and Freedom Coalition, including Republican White House hopefuls, emphasized jobs, debt and deficits...

In contrast to some previous presidential campaigns, social issues like gay marriage and abortion have not been prominent topics for Republicans hopefuls seeking to replace President Barack Obama in next year's election.

The weakness of the economy has triggered a debate within the Republican Party about whether conservatives should call a "truce" on social questions.

The idea is that Republicans would have a better chance at victory in 2012 if they rally around economic issues....

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; doublezot; economy; fiscalresponsibility; liberaltrollzot; moralabsolutes; rinozot; smallgovernment; zot
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It's The Economy, Stupid.
1 posted on 06/03/2011 11:49:22 AM PDT by 57 Red States
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To: 57 Red States

Re-instate the original interpretation of the Constitution...or perish. Of course that won’t happen, so prepare for the coming collapse.


2 posted on 06/03/2011 11:52:56 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: 57 Red States

Who spoke? And who is this group?


3 posted on 06/03/2011 11:54:25 AM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: 57 Red States
Been there, done that.
4 posted on 06/03/2011 11:54:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: 57 Red States
It's The Economy, Stupid.

No, it's not JUST the economy, the overall most important issue is "It's the Constitution Stupid!"

The economy and the other issues are subordinate to reclaiming the Constitution and the Republic. If we get back onto the right Constitutional path the other issues will follow.

FUBO & FAD

5 posted on 06/03/2011 11:54:42 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: 57 Red States
It's always the economy, stupid ~ and it's still immoral to kill babies just to save them the pain of long term unemployment.

The SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES do not disagree with the jobs and financial issues. The ANTISOCIAL crowd do.

Frankly, we can't let the Libertarian faction take over the Republican party.

6 posted on 06/03/2011 11:54:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 57 Red States

Al-Reuters trying to start a fight in the enemy camp.


7 posted on 06/03/2011 11:57:25 AM PDT by DManA
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To: 57 Red States

Social issues *always” take a back seat; social and Christian conservatives are always taken for granted by the GOP.


8 posted on 06/03/2011 11:57:57 AM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: muawiyah

And there it is.


9 posted on 06/03/2011 11:58:13 AM PDT by Sister_T ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: muawiyah

The social cons who wanted to buy off seniors while waging wars with no means to pay form them save for run up the debt have done a real boffo job, no?


10 posted on 06/03/2011 11:58:40 AM PDT by misterrob (You cannot call yourself a conservative if you support socialistic government programs!)
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To: muawiyah
I agree.

Social Conservatism works very well with a smaller, cheaper government. Less intrusion, less federal power, less spending.

Let the states be either moral or immoral. We will see who benefits. But the one-size-fits-all Liberal morality of Big Government needs to end.

11 posted on 06/03/2011 11:59:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: 57 Red States

When looking at the big picture, I don’t think social issues are that important to governments.


12 posted on 06/03/2011 12:01:07 PM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: muawiyah
"Frankly, we can't let the Libertarian faction take over the Republican party."

The libertarians don't really even care if the US does well. All they care is that global business survives. If that means devaluing the dollar and allowing illegal aliens in to lower wages and regulation compliance then so be it.

There are good constitutional and conservative ways to kick start the economy, and there are short-sighted infantile libertarian ways to support global corporate profits over US economic success.

13 posted on 06/03/2011 12:01:52 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: DManA

“Al-Reuters trying to start a fight in the enemy camp.”


Bingo.
We need to be prepared for more of the same and try to hang together to avoid hanging separately.


14 posted on 06/03/2011 12:02:24 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: 57 Red States

Translation:

Vote for ROMNEY! Liberalism is the only way we can win!

No thanks, If we’re going to go liberal I’ll just stay home on election day, I will not eschew my principles and vote for any liberal just because they have a (R) by their name.. Conservative or nothing.


15 posted on 06/03/2011 12:02:45 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: 57 Red States

RINOS begone!!


16 posted on 06/03/2011 12:03:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: 57 Red States

RINOS begone!!


17 posted on 06/03/2011 12:03:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: 57 Red States
There is zero reason for Christian conservatives to compromise in this cycle, so moral compromise is off the table.

I live in north Texas. In this area even many churches that were small and struggling before are having to have building programs now.

A reduced circumstance results in time for introspection, which often brings people to God. For those focused on eternity, hard times in the temporal realm help lead others to eternal salvation.

The dose the US is getting has birthed the tea party movement, and the longer the socialists carry out their job and freedom destroying agenda the more people they will lose forever.

Communism, when it gets to this point always has to consolidate its gains in bloody purges of it enemies or be set back generations. Much of the Christian right would rather fight a civil war as the founding fathers did than compromise.

Without a moral foundation spending can not be reigned in any way.

18 posted on 06/03/2011 12:03:56 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: 57 Red States

57 Red States
Since May 18, 2011

IBTZ


19 posted on 06/03/2011 12:05:22 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: 57 Red States

Morals are kinda an important things. Kinda goes together. I say bullcrapola. You can do both and need to do both.


20 posted on 06/03/2011 12:07:24 PM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: Redbob

You are correct. Social issues always have taken a back seat, but this time we should put the social issues in front. Too bad GOP elites!

The economic issues can be addressed at the same time, but we should start with bringing morals back into our country.

Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann both scare the elites (both sides) because of their strong family/social stances.

Abortion has done more harm to our country than most people understand or are willing to admit to. Time to put God back in the schools and end the killing of the most innocent of God’s children.


21 posted on 06/03/2011 12:07:42 PM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Nailed it.


22 posted on 06/03/2011 12:08:36 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: misterrob
The Social Conservatives have not been in charge of the government for a very, very, very long time.

I think you are confused.

23 posted on 06/03/2011 12:08:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 57 Red States

Retread RINO zot!


24 posted on 06/03/2011 12:09:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: 57 Red States
As I like to point out most social issues are also economic issues. Almost everything the libs have done costs money. So cut off the funding and 80% of the social issues go away. Abortion = no government funding for elective procedures. Illegal immigration = securing jobs for Americans and ending welfare payments to non-citzens. Obamacare = Can't afford it. In every case, with the possible exception of gay marriage, there is both a moral and a fiscal part of the argument. Disband the Department of Education for constitutional or fiscal reasons, whichever you choose, so long as the job gets done.
25 posted on 06/03/2011 12:10:45 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

wasn’t that the john mccain mantra in 2008 and bob doles in 1996, how did that work out for us?


26 posted on 06/03/2011 12:12:43 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: misterrob

FR is pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty. Don’t like it, leave. Continue fighting against us on our bedrock principles and you will be shown the door!


27 posted on 06/03/2011 12:13:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: 57 Red States

That is exactly what Karl Marx said.

You can not have a viable government run on moral relativism. It is what we have been doing since Oliver Wendell Holmes.

You need Universal Truth for unity and for economy to work. Virtue is essential for a free country....non virtuous behavior always creates a need for government interference. Non-virtuous behavior always destroys other’s freedom.

Actually, Social issues are every bit as important as economic issues....to think you do not understand the writings of Gramsci and Horkheimer, Adorno and Marcuse... They understood the flaw in Marx—that they needed to undermine the social institutions to cause revolution....economics didn’t do it during the great depression and after WWII much to Lenin’s surprise.

Kill “under God” and destroy the intent of our Constitution based specifically on Natural Law Theory and God’s Law and you destroy the foundation which made this country’s greatness possible. Unity-—to one set of rules...God’s. No not allah’s rules, not atheist rules.....but God’s based on God’s design of the universe...where “cause and effect” creates logic and reason in the Baconian/Newtonian methods which got us to the moon....In other words—our Constitution worked for years, unlike any other method and in great contrast to atheist states.

.The very thing that is destroying our economic freedom IS the “social issues” which have allowed government to grab the power from the masses (for the “good” of the children.


28 posted on 06/03/2011 12:16:33 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: gorush
"Re-instate the original interpretation of the Constitution"
If this is what you want ( I do to ) then you are not a conservative. You would be a small "L" libertarian.... original interpretation of the constitution would not only piss off liberals, it would piss off conservatives as well...... and that is why I consider myself a small "L" libertarian
29 posted on 06/03/2011 12:17:40 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: 57 Red States

Is maintaining our territorial integrity by enforcing immigration law a “social” issue?


30 posted on 06/03/2011 12:18:29 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: 57 Red States
See ya!
31 posted on 06/03/2011 12:20:12 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Jim Robinson

You gave him both barrels Jim. Good shooting.


32 posted on 06/03/2011 12:21:16 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (Paradox: To dumb down the citizenry so they won't think for themselves, the government educates them)
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To: 57 Red States

The Constitution is the USA. Conservative or tea party candidates have to focus on getting back to our Constitution. Freedom uber alles, and every other issue follows suit. Explain to Americans how conservative, Constitutional ideals help everyone of every stripe, and create a free economy that encourages business. Help localities realize that their high taxes and their insane regulations are hurting local economies. Remind people that America is for Americans and welcome guests and immigrants. No one else belongs here, just as the local homeless don’t belong in your house unless you want them there.


33 posted on 06/03/2011 12:22:49 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 57 Red States

The media wants us to nominate a POS like Romney.

Which media outlet are you associated with?


34 posted on 06/03/2011 12:22:49 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: 57 Red States

35 posted on 06/03/2011 12:23:26 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw the Rats and RINOs out!)
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To: Ingtar

Much of the problems created by liberal social policy will be curtailed by eliminating the deficits and reducing the debt.


36 posted on 06/03/2011 12:27:00 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: 57 Red States

This would be the death knell of the GOP.

If you can’t fight for the life of a child at the same time as you fight for your pocketbook, you ain’t worth crap!

Furthermore, the right to life is enshrined in the statement, “Pursuit of LIFE, liberty, and happiness”.

Get over it Libertarians, your approach is doomed to fail.

Both Economic and Social issues have to be attacked at the same time, it’s the Reagan model, it’s been proven to work, and those pushing a purely economic model are our enemies, not our friends.


37 posted on 06/03/2011 12:27:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: savagesusie

Excellent explanation!


38 posted on 06/03/2011 12:30:12 PM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: SoConPubbie
"Get over it Libertarians, your approach is doomed to fail."
I am a small "L" libertarian....ferociously pro life and pro liberty....please do not lump the strict constitutionalist in with the wacked out anarchy first capital "L" libertarians....
39 posted on 06/03/2011 12:30:34 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: 57 Red States

Who you calling stupid, Stupid? IATZ


40 posted on 06/03/2011 12:31:49 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: 57 Red States

“[T]heir social issues may take a back seat in 2012.”

When do they not? Meanwhile, the unattended social decay keeps letting the nation rot and slump to the left.


41 posted on 06/03/2011 12:35:55 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: 57 Red States

Obama is not Roosevelt.

The economy is going to continue to go down because either by design or incompetence this administration is choosing to do everything that will assure it will go down.

The great experiment in socialism is coming to an end. The whole of western world has been a laboratory for testing the elites ides of utopia. And this ideal of utopia is a failure.

In the 1930s many American did not even know President Roosevelt was confined to a wheelchair, the media hid this fact from the nation. They also hid the true effect his policies were having on the nation. The great depression was made worse by Roosevelt and his policies and only WWII pulled the nation out.

Obama is not Roosevelt and the media is not going to be able to save him.

I will state right now, on the record, that any Republican can and will beat Obama in 2012, regardless of how liberal or how conservative they are.

The American people will be by the end of 2012 sick of this administration.

Of course I also believe it will be better if the Republican candidate is a conservative.


42 posted on 06/03/2011 12:45:25 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: joe fonebone
I am a small "L" libertarian....ferociously pro life and pro liberty....please do not lump the strict constitutionalist in with the wacked out anarchy first capital "L" libertarians....

Good point, and you are correct.
43 posted on 06/03/2011 12:47:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 57 Red States

"Without God, there is no virtue, because there's no prompting of the conscience. Without God, we're mired in the material, that flat world that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." ... Ronald Reagan

"Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide. My Administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning." ... Ronald Reagan

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." ... John Adams

It's Ronald Reagan's Three-Legged Stool of Conservatism ... Stupid.

44 posted on 06/03/2011 12:49:18 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: The Toll
Is maintaining our territorial integrity by enforcing immigration law a “social” issue?

Yes.

45 posted on 06/03/2011 12:50:39 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: PDGearhead

One other issue.....Postmodernism .....This idea that you can separate parts without regard to the whole is not new....and it is deeply flawed.

You can never separate economics from human nature. (you wouldn’t have economic systems without humans) .

Morality is part of human nature and to ignore it when you are talking about human interactions is folly (and part of cultural Marxists’ way to destroy Western Civilization). Their analysis—to destroy the economics—all you have to do is destroy virtue—to do that you destroy Christianity and the natural family.

Quite easy....destroy responsible, self-sufficiency and family loyalty and safety nets....you completely destroy the system of self-rule. No responsibility for your actions and government has to pick up the slack.


46 posted on 06/03/2011 12:55:06 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: joe fonebone
I am a small "L" libertarian....ferociously pro life and pro liberty....please do not lump the strict constitutionalist in with the wacked out anarchy first capital "L" libertarians....

Some of them will anyway. I still remember getting that lecture from some of them back when they were all ga-ga over Rick Warren.

47 posted on 06/03/2011 12:56:52 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Jim Robinson

Your mission statement does not address limited government principles nor fiscal conservatism which is somewhat telling, no? There is very little room around here for people who believe in those principles. You also appear to be cast in the George Bush’s model of conservatism and while that’s your choice it has proven to be an utter failure.

You have become increasingly childish (and as a parent I see the similarities) and petulant in how you deal with people here, some of whom have been posting for years. Tell you what, keep the $50 I sent you in your last beg-a-thon and we will call it even.

Feel free to “zot my account” and call me names on the way out, Jim. You can rant and pose for the suck ups around here who have elevated you to some special status that your ego and pride seem to adore. (And what does the Lord say about that?)


48 posted on 06/03/2011 1:08:31 PM PDT by misterrob (You cannot call yourself a conservative if you support socialistic government programs!)
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To: 57 Red States

“Social conservatism” needs to be defined. I’m pro life and against gay marriage, but social conservatism can also be a very anti liberty philosophy if taken to an extreme. For example, why would I care if somebody wants to smoke a joint of marijuana within the privacy of their own home? Or why would I care if somebody wants to gamble their own money away on the internet? It doesn’t affect me in any way.


49 posted on 06/03/2011 1:21:07 PM PDT by Brett11
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To: DManA
haley barbour must have gone to work for them. There is no way anyone can call themselves a Conservative and support man on man anal sex... abortion... stand against enforcement of our immigration laws and stand for morality in government... for never doubt... these are the things that they mean when they use the code word “Social” Conservatives. You are either a Conservative and believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness or you do not. Life means life... a gift from GOD... and NO MAN has the right to take the lives of the most innocent amongst us.

LLS

50 posted on 06/03/2011 1:21:19 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If you lie hard enough and sell your soul... you can scam your way to the top" barack obama)
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