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Is Cain Able? (refreshingly honest about not knowing but..)
HeyMiller ^ | Monday June 6, 2011 | John Miller

Posted on 06/06/2011 7:25:19 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

So is Cain’s familiarity with any number of issues — not just the fine points of negotiations in the Middle East. What does he think of Bush’s immigration proposals? “I don’t recall what was in it.” How about the free-trade agreements with Colombia, Panama, and South Korea — negotiated by the Bush administration and possibly going before Congress soon? “I don’t know the details.” Not even on the pact with South Korea which, if approved, would become America’s largest trade deal since the passage of NAFTA? “I can’t say whether I’d vote yes or no.”

There’s a refreshing honesty to some of this — but too much of it begins to appear amateurish. How would Cain have handled the crisis in Libya this spring? “I would have had a plan before it erupted.” What would that plan have looked like? “Not knowing what we knew, it’s difficult to say how I would have reacted.” He means that without access to classified intelligence, he’s reluctant to say more. But knowing what he knows now, would he have dropped bombs? “Don’t quote me saying I would have gone to war. I don’t have enough of the facts.”

He’s similarly elusive on Afghanistan — he won’t say what the United States should do there. “My foreign policy is not an instant-grits policy,” he says. “As a successful businessman, I make decisions based on getting as many of the facts and as much of the advice as I can. Based on the input I receive, I’ll make a decision. Right now, without all of the facts, it’s irresponsible to announce a Cain plan.”

(Excerpt) Read more at heymiller.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; elections; hermanator; hermancain; obama; palin
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1 posted on 06/06/2011 7:25:27 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike; kingattax

I see we have gone from Mr. Cain skeptics to out and out CDS.

I don’t mind some probing, but this looks like simple attacking.


2 posted on 06/06/2011 7:31:47 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Bigtigermike

The conservative foundation, along his ability to develop and sell his policies is all I care about. Can the article be traced back to Soros, or Romney (or both)?


3 posted on 06/06/2011 7:31:56 PM PDT by aimhigh (True bitter clingers cling to their guns AND their bibles.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I like Cain but he has done a very poor job of preparing for a Presidential run. Considering the fact that he has had six months or more to prepare, his lack of knowledge is appalling.


4 posted on 06/06/2011 7:33:53 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: aimhigh

It’s National Review - I don’t know much about author Mr Miller, do you know much about him?


5 posted on 06/06/2011 7:34:33 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

Obama ran his mouth his entire campaign about what he would do once elected in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as closing GITMO. Once elected he realized he didn’t know squat and should have kept his mouth shut. At least Cain knows he doesn’t have all the facts.


6 posted on 06/06/2011 7:35:37 PM PDT by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: Bigtigermike

This guy worked at New Republic - now National Review. Lib turned moderate. Hit piece from a nobody.


7 posted on 06/06/2011 7:35:47 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Oh...Ok, i didn’t know that! thanks for the info


8 posted on 06/06/2011 7:36:37 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike
About the author

This fall, I will become director of the Herbert H. Dow II Journalism Program at Hillsdale College in Michigan.
It means the Miller family, which currently resides in Prince William County, Va., will move back to the land of its forefathers. That will probably happen this summer. In addition to teaching, I expect to keep on writing and will remain affiliated with National Review. I have a couple of book ideas, but I’m not ready to tell you about them yet. .

9 posted on 06/06/2011 7:39:11 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: freedumb2003

I read the whole article. There is no way this is an attack or Cain Derangement Syndrome. Why are we so defensive when our candidates are questioned?

If Cain cannot answer policy questions with something more than, “I would wait to get all the facts, then decide on the proper course of action, then act.” is not going to wear well with the electorate. He can paint a broad picture of how a given situation, i.e. Libya, fits into his overall foreign policy position, but I will not vote for someone who says, in essence, you’ll have to elect me to find out what I would do.

I appreciate his methodology, it is great for explaining how he would attack a problem, but it is not very helpful in determine actual policy positions. I very much respect the man, and I think he could be part of a ticket that could send Obama packing. But I want some substantive answers to legitimate questions.


10 posted on 06/06/2011 7:42:48 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Bigtigermike
at the Faith and Freedom Coalition Conf, CAin answered a query thusly:
“Speaking of his own perceived lack of foreign policy experience, Cain said, “Uh, does the current president have any? How’s that working out for you?”

Not the best of answers. It isn't working our very well. Can we afford another ‘learn on the job’ POTUS?

Cain’s a good showman - like Trump -and does get out some great sound bites that make people think - like Trump, but America is on the ropes. We need someone who can hit the ground running.

Even The WON, after 4 years in office, would make Cain look inexperienced...We cannot take the chance.

11 posted on 06/06/2011 7:43:17 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (.WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: freedumb2003
Yeah, this is dogshit on a stick, proffered by a dogshit merchant. Pay no further heed.
12 posted on 06/06/2011 7:51:16 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Bigtigermike

Well, lets take a gander at this. Most Presidential Canidates go around spouting all about what THEY would do without having any of the inside intel on the situation. I find someone saying I do not know what the actual situation was/is and would be foolish to say..to the media especially...what I WOULD do.


13 posted on 06/06/2011 7:52:31 PM PDT by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: Bigtigermike

They didn;t ask that of obama or clinton just republicans


14 posted on 06/06/2011 7:52:38 PM PDT by merryberry (.was once a sad berry)
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To: taraytarah; Prov3456; paul revere is riding; Politicalmom; freedumb2003; PieterCasparzen; ...

FRmail me to get on or off the Herman Cain ping list

15 posted on 06/06/2011 7:53:06 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: bwc2221
I like Cain but he has done a very poor job of preparing for a Presidential run. Considering the fact that he has had six months or more to prepare, his lack of knowledge is appalling.

True, unfortunately. We can't afford to take a chance on someone who hasn't done a bit more due diligence.

We need a candidate that has been 'preparing' all their life - in that they have a good grounding in not just OUR history, but the history of the world; who knows who our enemies are, thoroughly - (Islam); who knows and will uphold to the death, the Constitution; who knows we are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy - and knows the difference; who is already thoroughly grounded in the past and present history of Israel - indeed, who already has a deep commitment and mutual respect with Israel; who knows exactly what to do about illegal immigration; someone who will not equivocate or intimidate and does not speak "PC" -

We need someone who already knows the course and can grab the wheel and turn this ship around...No time for learning as they go.

16 posted on 06/06/2011 7:54:29 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (.WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: 95B30

I loved that he did that in the debate..but most of my friends (nonpolitical) didnt get it


17 posted on 06/06/2011 7:56:47 PM PDT by merryberry (Cain is Able)
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To: maine-iac7

I have to agree with you. Cain talks a good game but once the outer shell is breached I’m not seeing a lot. With the way people follow him because of his populist and appealing rhetoric I think he would make a good VP pick. His rhetoric alone would bring a lot of votes to whomever chose him as veep. Though I am loathe to say it, his race might bring some to the “big tent” who may otherwise vote differently. One thing is for sure we don’t need another on the job trainee for the most important office in the land.


18 posted on 06/06/2011 8:06:33 PM PDT by Graneros ("Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.")
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To: maine-iac7
Even The WON, after 4 years in office, would make Cain look inexperienced...We cannot take the chance.

people in this republic can breathe a collective sigh and enjoy the benefit of restful sleep having been blessed with guardians such as yourself whose depth of political insight and acumen should be legend.

19 posted on 06/06/2011 8:08:48 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: bwc2221
I love the:"I like Cain but..." crowd! It's Like: "Honest officer I liked the guy and I'm not sure what happened I was peeling an apple and he backed into me 12 times!"
20 posted on 06/06/2011 8:29:07 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: kingattax

Yet the CDS’ers never propose a better alternative in someone who actually has the answers that Cain is honest in saying he doesn’t have.


21 posted on 06/06/2011 8:34:51 PM PDT by RockinRight (Who is "Generic Republican" and why does he poll so much better against Obama than anyone else?)
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To: RockinRight

for anyone who is interested, Mr. Cain has outlined his fundamental positions on a host of important issues which can be found at his website. there will come many appropriate times when he can articulate more detailed positions.

his work right now is to get voters acquainted with who he is and establish an organization. he has been smart enough to essentially avoid the gotcha questions being asked in interviews.

http://www.hermancain.com


22 posted on 06/06/2011 10:10:51 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: RockinRight

Cain hasn’t earned the right to have “Derangement Syndrome” after his name. There is no Cain Derangement Syndrome. Unless you think it’s deranged to have no idea who Herman Cain is, in which case, it’s common.

Bush Derangement Syndrome - check
Palin Derangement Syndrome - check

An article pointing out that Cain answers questions by saying that he’d look at the facts, which he doesn’t have, is not deranged at all, it’s pretty reasonable for anyone who is interested in finding out which way Cain was at least leaning in these cases. Certainly it benefits Cain by allowing him to avoid alienating people on either side of an issue. It’s not deranged to point this out.


23 posted on 06/06/2011 10:39:29 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Bigtigermike

I can research and come up with questions that Cain or any other candidate doesn’t know the answer to all day long, as can most everyone.


24 posted on 06/06/2011 10:47:06 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Like not knowing what is the right of return? My dog knows what it is. I agree and it is a fact that Cain did not make his homework before running or since he is on the trail. It is obvious. Like several of you said, America is in too much of a bad shape to test another “no experience” one. No time to learn on the job this time. That’s our last chance to save America. Let’s not get caught again with nice talks and no proof of walk the walk.


25 posted on 06/06/2011 11:03:12 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I like Cain, but this bothers me:

“What does he think of Bush’s immigration proposals? “I don’t recall what was in it.””

Couldn’t he at least have winged that one?


26 posted on 06/06/2011 11:53:04 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I’ve been leaning strongly towards Cain for the past few weeks, but this is a bit troubling.


27 posted on 06/07/2011 12:22:26 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: Bigtigermike

Cain is a lightweight. I liked him at first until I understood he was simply copying talking points. The man is unformed, unschooled and starting to look like a con artist. how anyone could consider him a serious candidate at this point is beyond me. He was also a major lobbyist in DC while he acts like a big outsider. I would hope people could see the difference between a real candidate and a con man. All that being said I would vote for him before Mitt.


28 posted on 06/07/2011 12:22:55 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: maine-iac7

Gingrich is the only one running who could possibly be considered a world history scholar, and he clearly isn’t the answer. I don’t think Palin, Romney, Pawlenty, or Bachmann have extensive knowledge of world history, either.


29 posted on 06/07/2011 12:24:56 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: bwc2221
I agree. and from his comment about Bachmann and Timmy this weekend his political skills are also very weak.

Accusing Christians of pandering because they gave a paryer? I'm not a fan of either Bachmann or timmy but that line was just below the belt by cain.

30 posted on 06/07/2011 12:25:41 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: bwc2221
I agree. and from his comment about Bachmann and Timmy this weekend his political skills are also very weak.

Accusing Christians of pandering because they gave a paryer? I'm not a fan of either Bachmann or timmy but that line was just below the belt by cain.

31 posted on 06/07/2011 12:25:46 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: Sun

Cain is not going to win. He has no chance. It’s hard not to like him, but he doesn’t exude political savvy and decisiveness like the best of our conservatives, Palin, Ryan, Bachmann and West.


32 posted on 06/07/2011 12:26:31 AM PDT by alstewartfan (When you're fresh out of lawyers, you don't know how good it's gonna feel! Al Stewart)
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To: RockinRight

Palin makes Cain look like a little child.


33 posted on 06/07/2011 12:30:16 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: unseen1

People need to be aware that you are a big Palin supporter. I like Palin because she has the right enemies, but I’m not sure she can win and am not positive she’s Presidential material. This might sound petty, but her attending five different colleges bothers me. As someone who spent 7 years at one college, it strikes me as odd. It also makes her come across as flighty and indecisive.


34 posted on 06/07/2011 12:30:31 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: unseen1

Not quite. Nevermind that Cain is 20 years older, I’d argue that he has the most private sector success of anyone running, including Romney. He turned around Godfather’s Pizza. He turned around Burger King in the Philadelphia area and was also a mathematician in ballistics for the United States Navy. I don’t think Palin, Romney, Bachmann, or Pawlenty could be mathematicians. This guy has an incredible background, except for his role as an advisor for Dole/Kemp. Also, having a conservative black guy from the deep south defeat the first black President would be one of the great American stories.


35 posted on 06/07/2011 12:46:05 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: American Dream 246; All
Like not knowing what is the right of return? My dog knows what it is. I agree and it is a fact that Cain did not make his homework before running or since he is on the trail. It is obvious. Like several of you said, America is in too much of a bad shape to test another “no experience” one. No time to learn on the job this time. That’s our last chance to save America. Let’s not get caught again with nice talks and no proof of walk the walk.

I'm glad you brought that up.

I was watching Mr. Cain's response. He was confused by exactly the same thing I was as the question was being asked.

The smarta$$ chris wallace simply asked "right of return", leaving out whether he was referring to Jews returning to Israel or muslims returning to where they used to live under the Ottoman Empire. I was sure that there was some issue of the Jewish diaspora having a right to return to Israel, and of course I knew that the muslims keep crowing about returning to the lands of the now non-existent Ottoman Empire, but I didn't know which one he was asking about.

The smarta$$ made sure to wait just a few seconds to capture a video bite of his adversary, Mr. Cain, hesitating, as Mr. Cain went through the exact same thought process I did - since both of us haven't had a need to keep track of muslim propaganda on the subject of the State of Israel, since it was legitimately created, end of story. Having obtained his precious few seconds of video, chris wallace then coyly helps Mr. Cain by offering up that he's talking about the muslims so-called right of return.

Since Mr. Cain is not privy to negotiations between Israel and the U.S. on these matters, he really could not know what the exact current stance of both states was, since Israel often comes across with various concessions, and the beltway today spews all sorts of hot air on any given day which panders to muslims at the expense of American, and really all nations' sovereignty. So he took the most common sense stance and deferred to the State of Israel to make it's own decisions about it's border security and it's right to negotiate for itself, i.e., Mr. Cain does not feel that the U.S. or any other state has a right to dictate to Israel on this or any other issue.

So the big question - I just looked it up. Yes, the Law of Return is Israeli legislation passed in 1950 which gives those of Jewish ancestry and their spouses anywhere in the world the right to return to Israel. Of course, the history of Israel goes back to the British mandate and before that, the Ottomans, and, to dot the i's and cross the t's on one's knowledge, one would have to study quite a bit of history to be able to thoroughly exposit the reasoning behind well-formed opinions. But to rightly discern this issue for modern times, the logic is fairly straightforward: no one complained when being ruled by the Ottomans for hundreds of years, so any talk of "palestinian" statehood is balderdash.

Had Mr. Cain assumed that smarta$$ was asking about the muslim "right of return" and expressed any negative sentiment surrounding it in an attempt to show support for Israel, prior to the coy clarification, the smarta$$ could have clarified the other way and said he was referring to the Jewish right of return, and then gotten a video clip that the left could circulate and use against Mr. Cain, repeating over and over to American Jews, "he's against the Jewish right of return". Of course, if Mr. Cain assumed that smarta$$ was asking about the Jewish right of return and expressed support for it, the left would circulate the video clip as much as possible saying that he was "supporting" the muslim "right of return". Either way, smarta$$ gets a video clip to use.

And this is why I refer to smarta$$ as smarta$$: because it is very telling that he specifically left out which "right of return" he was asking about. He was not asking questions which would reveal knowledge or opinions, his only goal was to get the interviewee to say something embarassing. And that demonstrates - on video - his bias, since he has never in his entire career tried to embarass a liberal or left-winger. This proves that smarta$$ is not a journalist but a liberal propagandist, which means he is simply a very subtle, useful tool of left-wing propagandists, an "advance party" if you will.

He goes about feigning reporting while couching all his words with the syrupy sweet but dangerously flawed logic of the suburban liberal.

Would Mr. Cain have been hailed a hero by the right if he flat-out but politely called the smarta$$ on his trick immediately during the faux interview ? Absolutely - and he undoubtedly will, since he certainly has had his share of verbal confrontations that he handily won. But I am calling him out on his mistake of not calling out smarta$$ with authority. Just like I'd call out any other good conservative candidate. It was less than a great response, and that's the standard to shoot for.

I'd also like to consider, however, what he did say in that interview. Despite the pressure of the trick question, he expressed clear support of Israel, a historic and important ally of the U.S., and his confusion actually demonstrated that he was aware of the concept of the Jewish right of return - and his hesitation indicates a clear support of that right.

Far too many voters do not remember, or perhaps never knew or understood, the dark spectre of worldwide hatred of Jews during WWII. I consider it Providential, though a sad commentary, that free and Democratic nations - because of the horror they had witnessed - felt the need to allow that one future escape, from perhaps even their own countrymen's mindless hatred, that one possible State of refuge. It is heartening to know that some of us, even when confused and under pressure, instinctively know that such refuge must remain.
36 posted on 06/07/2011 1:09:08 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: RockinRight

Thank you. Don’t know an answer? Admit you don’t know, then find out so that the next time you get that question you do have a plan in front of you.

Better to look like a fool by admitting ignorance than to remain a fool by feigning competence.

I like that Cain tells me, “I want to see the specifics of it before I comment on whether I am for or against this.”

We know where he stands on all the big deals. Why not on the little ones too? When I ran I got peppered by questions on an oil pipeline that I had never heard about at all. My response, “let me read up on the pipeline.” Next time I got that question, I could reply that I had read the particulars, knew the information and thought that the plan in place was solid.


37 posted on 06/07/2011 1:54:05 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: unseen1

I didn’t realize Cain was coming from a lobbyist background. The Fair Tax gimmick that he has peddled for years isn’t going anywhere but it would certainly take power away from both the politicians and pawnbrokers. He defends it in terms of consumer protection which only makes sense if it saves billions on lobbyists whose job it is to help rewrite the tax code and get rid of loopholes that currently pave the way for corporate tax dodging. Because it isn’t as if companies are passing along taxes in the form of higher prices when so much is being bypassed on the front end.


38 posted on 06/07/2011 5:26:36 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: conservativebuckeye

Clearly the Palin supporters have taken up the use of the very tricks that the left have used and continue to use against Palin.

They have become worse than the Paulist in the rude trash talk. Does anyone think that by brow beating, belittling and besmirching others and their candidate that they can win support for their own? The Paulist have tried this tactic for years and where has that gotten them?

I’ve seen any number of post on Herman Cain threads here on FR on which Cain has been declared a Palin Spoiler, a FED Plant and everything in between including per one of our fellow FReeper that he ‘smelled like Obama’ and yet I have never see even on Cain supporter go on a Palin thread and talk trash not even once.

Now I like Sarah and with no buts and if she gets in then I will cross that bridge then, but I like to ask a question; With Sarah not having declared as of yet what kind of person who is confident enough in themselves and their skills and abilities to run for and hold the office of POTUS would wait around to see if another candidate is going to run or not? I’ll tell what kind the kind that doesn’t deserve the office. If you plan to run you run! A person who plans to hold the office of POTUS waits on no one!


39 posted on 06/07/2011 5:32:21 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: conservativebuckeye
Turned around Godfather's pizza? You might want to check your facts....Godfather's pizza's yearly sales fell under Cain. He left it to pursue a career as a lobbyist in DC.

Palin was CEO of 25,000 employees and left her state with a $12 billion surplus. Cain left Godfather's pizza in massive leveraged debt.

As far as being a mathematician,,Carter was a nuclear engineer. how did that work out?

It's nice you like Cain and defend him but any search into his record shows that he isn't prepared to be a candidate let alone the POTUS.

And I don't vote for someone based on his race. I could care less if he was orange.

40 posted on 06/07/2011 5:46:01 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: conservativebuckeye
It doesn't sound petty, it sounds stupid like you have been brainwashed by the MSM or are simply repeating leftwing talking points.

She finished college with no debt. First time I have every seen someone be attacked for working her way through college and not taking on debt to pay for it.

41 posted on 06/07/2011 5:52:21 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: conservativebuckeye; All
you say: “Gingrich is the only one running who could possibly be considered a world history scholar, and he clearly isn’t the answer. I don’t think Palin, Romney, Pawlenty, or Bachmann have extensive knowledge of world history, either.”

Agreed.

But this ticket would have a man at the helm who does -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7RKIpufStQ

Obama promising US loyalty to Islam and it's greatness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBWN2Ch_3Gk&feature=related

Col.West laying it out in PS (Plain Speak) not PC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgZppLvjvaE&feature=related

on Israel, Islam, Iran,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY8tVkaDqYw&feature=related

30 second clip - gotta love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQz1Wu3pqc&feature=related

Draft West

http://allenwest2012.ning.com/

42 posted on 06/07/2011 6:09:09 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (.WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: PieterCasparzen
This proves that smarta$$ is not a journalist but a liberal propagandist, which means he is simply a very subtle, useful tool of left-wing propagandists, an "advance party" if you will.
I like your post.
But I have a quibble about language. You say, "smarta$$ is not a journalist," but then you say, "[he is] a liberal propagandist, which means he is simply a very subtle, useful tool of left-wing propagandists, an "advance party" if you will. "
My point is simply that the wire services in general and the Associated Press in particular united journalism around the self-interest of journalism itself. Journalism is just talk, and

the self interest of journalism is
that its talk is taken to be more important than the action taken by others
to provide food, clothing, shelter, security, energy, and so forth.

This explains why journalism is able to maintain the fatuous conceit of its own objectivity, despite the obvious realtity that journalism is at most part of the truth, and "Half the truth is often a great lie." You can print "both sides of the story" without necessarily getting at the truth of the matter, and that happens all the time. Because the perspective of the journalist defines what he thinks the two sides of the story are. Which may be irrelevant to what is actually going on. And the very fact that the journalist claims to be objective (or, what is the same thing, suffers others to claim it for him) proves that the journalist is not even trying to be objective.

Ironically, it is possible to attempt to be objective only by being open about any reasons why you might not be objective. And claiming to be objective is the very opposite of scrupulously examining your own motives and being open about how they (inevitably) influence your perspective. Therefore,

no "objective journalist" is even trying to actually be objective.

It would be wonderful if we could count on objective information for the mere price of a newspaper. Alas, it is impossible. There can be no substitute for exercising your own judgement. "Anyone who tells you anything else is selling something."

The wisest and most cautious of us all frequently gives credit to stories which he himself is afterwards both ashamed and astonished that he could possibly think of believing . . .

It is acquired wisdom and experience only that teach incredulity,
and they very seldom teach it enough.
  - Adam Smith

Because the wire services unified journalism, journalism speaks with a single voice (I discount the editorial pages as being a peripheral issue, which function primarily to "position" the rest of the newspaper as being objective). Since journalism speaks with a single voice, there are natural propaganda advantages to agreeing with that unified journalistic voice. So if you don't have any principles other than your own self interest, the path of least resistance is to become a politician who promotes whatever the journalistic voice finds convenient. You can then count on that journalistic voice to give you favorable labels and give your opposition consistently unfavorable PR.

So when you say someone is a propagandist rather than a journalist, you give undue credit to journalism as a profession. Journalism is propaganda.

Journalism and Objectivity

The Right to Know


43 posted on 06/07/2011 8:10:13 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Sun
I like Cain, but this bothers me: “What does he think of Bush’s immigration proposals? “I don’t recall what was in it.”” Couldn’t he at least have winged that one?

This must be a deliberate strategy on his part. I've heard him speak at length on his radio program about what Bush was doing wrong when it came to illegal immigration, and he has a clear proposal for illegal immigration, so I know he is familiar with it.

It may be an attempt to not let the press sidetrack him from the points he wants to emphasize, which clearly seems to be economics.

44 posted on 06/07/2011 10:31:53 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows math, computers, pizza, money, hamburgers, banking, and Coca-Cola)
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To: unseen1

It’s okay to defend Palin, but don’t say incorrect things about Herman Cain. Godfather’s Pizza was on the verge of bankruptcy when he took over. I have yet to see where yearly pizza sales fell. As for Sarah Palin, she was a good governor, but it isn’t that hard to run surplusses with the oil money that rolls in.


45 posted on 06/07/2011 12:58:41 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: conservativebuckeye
Cain was appointed President of Godfather's in 1986:

As part of the restructuring--and prompted by takeover rumors--Pillsbury encouraged a leveraged buyout of Godfather's by a group of senior managers, led by President and CEO Herman Cain and Executive Vice-President and COO Ronald B. Gartlan. The purchase price was not disclosed, but was estimated by some analysts at $100 million. At that point, Godfather's ranked fifth in the pizza segment lineup, having slipped from its third place ranking in 1985. The chain continued to face considerable competitive challenges and reported that although most of the company-owned businesses were profitable, many of its 420 franchisees, which paid royalties to the parent company, were not. Cain told James Scarpa of Restaurant Business Magazine that Godfather's aim over the next several years was to move from fifth to fourth place in the ranking From 1985 until 1988 godfathers went from 3rd to fifth in sales under 2 years of Cain's management. It also took on $10's of millions in leveraged debt. also under Cain's management. I don't make up stuff. Cain "saved" godfather's pizza by cutting stores, decreasing sales and doing a leveraged buyout from Pillsbury. the leveraged debt was still outstanding as late as 1995 and was causing godfather's pizza to not be able to grow...

In Cain's own words:

He stated in a 1995 interview with Teresa Howard of Nation's Restaurant News, "My next goal is for Godfather's to reach its goal of financial independence." He further stated, in reference to the company's heavily leveraged debt, "I want to retire debt in order to allow us to grow the way we want to." as far as Gov Palin she did that budget miracle during the oil crash of $150 /bl down to $40/bl. Of 2008-2009

46 posted on 06/07/2011 3:03:51 PM PDT by unseen1
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To: Brookhaven

“I’ve heard him speak at length on his radio program about what Bush was doing wrong when it came to illegal immigration, and he has a clear proposal for illegal immigration, so I know he is familiar with it.”

I’m glad to hear that, but if anyone from his camp sees this, I hope they tell him to address illegal immigration, even if it’s the nutshell version, imho.


47 posted on 06/07/2011 3:14:34 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: unseen1

Sarah Palin was an excellent governor, but 64% of Americans say they won’t vote for her. Granted, I’m sure the poll is rigged to some degree, but unless 70% of those polled were dems, it’s a very bad sign. Defeating Obama is much more important than any one person getting elected. Although, we can’t vote for someone only because they seem more electable. That kind of thinking got us McCain. The poll I mentioned had Romney as the only Republican who would defeat Obama, and at this exact moment that’s probably true, but we all know how easy it would be to pick Romney apart. Between Romneycare and his flip-flopping, the dems would have a field day with him. Dateline and 20/20 would also do stories on the bizarre goings on in the mormon church.


48 posted on 06/07/2011 5:52:48 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: conservativebuckeye

Romney hasn’t gone through the negative attacks yet. If he can only tie Obama at this stage with 2 years of positive Mitt press he can’t win. Palin is fully vetted, Mitt is not. polls show Palin only need about an 8pt swing to win the election and that is after 3 years of negative attacks. she is teflon now. Mitt is at his high point he doesn’t go higher than he is now.

We can’t afford to allow Obama to win. we can’t send out an untested unvetted candidate like Mitt to face the thug in chief. we need to field are most battle tested, vetted candidate in history whihc would be Palin.


49 posted on 06/07/2011 9:46:52 PM PDT by unseen1
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To: unseen1

I’m just afraid that Palin is too damaged. I totally agee with you about Mitt. He’d be easy too attack.


50 posted on 06/07/2011 11:48:38 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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