Skip to comments.Is Cain Able? (refreshingly honest about not knowing but..)
Posted on 06/06/2011 7:25:19 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
So is Cains familiarity with any number of issues not just the fine points of negotiations in the Middle East. What does he think of Bushs immigration proposals? I dont recall what was in it. How about the free-trade agreements with Colombia, Panama, and South Korea negotiated by the Bush administration and possibly going before Congress soon? I dont know the details. Not even on the pact with South Korea which, if approved, would become Americas largest trade deal since the passage of NAFTA? I cant say whether Id vote yes or no.
Theres a refreshing honesty to some of this but too much of it begins to appear amateurish. How would Cain have handled the crisis in Libya this spring? I would have had a plan before it erupted. What would that plan have looked like? Not knowing what we knew, its difficult to say how I would have reacted. He means that without access to classified intelligence, hes reluctant to say more. But knowing what he knows now, would he have dropped bombs? Dont quote me saying I would have gone to war. I dont have enough of the facts.
Hes similarly elusive on Afghanistan he wont say what the United States should do there. My foreign policy is not an instant-grits policy, he says. As a successful businessman, I make decisions based on getting as many of the facts and as much of the advice as I can. Based on the input I receive, Ill make a decision. Right now, without all of the facts, its irresponsible to announce a Cain plan.
(Excerpt) Read more at heymiller.com ...
I see we have gone from Mr. Cain skeptics to out and out CDS.
I don’t mind some probing, but this looks like simple attacking.
The conservative foundation, along his ability to develop and sell his policies is all I care about. Can the article be traced back to Soros, or Romney (or both)?
I like Cain but he has done a very poor job of preparing for a Presidential run. Considering the fact that he has had six months or more to prepare, his lack of knowledge is appalling.
It’s National Review - I don’t know much about author Mr Miller, do you know much about him?
Obama ran his mouth his entire campaign about what he would do once elected in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as closing GITMO. Once elected he realized he didn’t know squat and should have kept his mouth shut. At least Cain knows he doesn’t have all the facts.
This guy worked at New Republic - now National Review. Lib turned moderate. Hit piece from a nobody.
Oh...Ok, i didn’t know that! thanks for the info
This fall, I will become director of the Herbert H. Dow II Journalism Program at Hillsdale College in Michigan.
It means the Miller family, which currently resides in Prince William County, Va., will move back to the land of its forefathers. That will probably happen this summer. In addition to teaching, I expect to keep on writing and will remain affiliated with National Review. I have a couple of book ideas, but Im not ready to tell you about them yet. .
I read the whole article. There is no way this is an attack or Cain Derangement Syndrome. Why are we so defensive when our candidates are questioned?
If Cain cannot answer policy questions with something more than, “I would wait to get all the facts, then decide on the proper course of action, then act.” is not going to wear well with the electorate. He can paint a broad picture of how a given situation, i.e. Libya, fits into his overall foreign policy position, but I will not vote for someone who says, in essence, you’ll have to elect me to find out what I would do.
I appreciate his methodology, it is great for explaining how he would attack a problem, but it is not very helpful in determine actual policy positions. I very much respect the man, and I think he could be part of a ticket that could send Obama packing. But I want some substantive answers to legitimate questions.
Not the best of answers. It isn't working our very well. Can we afford another learn on the job POTUS?
Cains a good showman - like Trump -and does get out some great sound bites that make people think - like Trump, but America is on the ropes. We need someone who can hit the ground running.
Even The WON, after 4 years in office, would make Cain look inexperienced...We cannot take the chance.
Well, lets take a gander at this. Most Presidential Canidates go around spouting all about what THEY would do without having any of the inside intel on the situation. I find someone saying I do not know what the actual situation was/is and would be foolish to say..to the media especially...what I WOULD do.
They didn;t ask that of obama or clinton just republicans
True, unfortunately. We can't afford to take a chance on someone who hasn't done a bit more due diligence.
We need a candidate that has been 'preparing' all their life - in that they have a good grounding in not just OUR history, but the history of the world; who knows who our enemies are, thoroughly - (Islam); who knows and will uphold to the death, the Constitution; who knows we are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy - and knows the difference; who is already thoroughly grounded in the past and present history of Israel - indeed, who already has a deep commitment and mutual respect with Israel; who knows exactly what to do about illegal immigration; someone who will not equivocate or intimidate and does not speak "PC" -
We need someone who already knows the course and can grab the wheel and turn this ship around...No time for learning as they go.
I loved that he did that in the debate..but most of my friends (nonpolitical) didnt get it
I have to agree with you. Cain talks a good game but once the outer shell is breached I’m not seeing a lot. With the way people follow him because of his populist and appealing rhetoric I think he would make a good VP pick. His rhetoric alone would bring a lot of votes to whomever chose him as veep. Though I am loathe to say it, his race might bring some to the “big tent” who may otherwise vote differently. One thing is for sure we don’t need another on the job trainee for the most important office in the land.
people in this republic can breathe a collective sigh and enjoy the benefit of restful sleep having been blessed with guardians such as yourself whose depth of political insight and acumen should be legend.
Yet the CDS’ers never propose a better alternative in someone who actually has the answers that Cain is honest in saying he doesn’t have.
for anyone who is interested, Mr. Cain has outlined his fundamental positions on a host of important issues which can be found at his website. there will come many appropriate times when he can articulate more detailed positions.
his work right now is to get voters acquainted with who he is and establish an organization. he has been smart enough to essentially avoid the gotcha questions being asked in interviews.
Cain hasn’t earned the right to have “Derangement Syndrome” after his name. There is no Cain Derangement Syndrome. Unless you think it’s deranged to have no idea who Herman Cain is, in which case, it’s common.
Bush Derangement Syndrome - check
Palin Derangement Syndrome - check
An article pointing out that Cain answers questions by saying that he’d look at the facts, which he doesn’t have, is not deranged at all, it’s pretty reasonable for anyone who is interested in finding out which way Cain was at least leaning in these cases. Certainly it benefits Cain by allowing him to avoid alienating people on either side of an issue. It’s not deranged to point this out.
I can research and come up with questions that Cain or any other candidate doesn’t know the answer to all day long, as can most everyone.
Like not knowing what is the right of return? My dog knows what it is. I agree and it is a fact that Cain did not make his homework before running or since he is on the trail. It is obvious. Like several of you said, America is in too much of a bad shape to test another “no experience” one. No time to learn on the job this time. That’s our last chance to save America. Let’s not get caught again with nice talks and no proof of walk the walk.
I like Cain, but this bothers me:
“What does he think of Bushs immigration proposals? I dont recall what was in it.”
Couldn’t he at least have winged that one?
I’ve been leaning strongly towards Cain for the past few weeks, but this is a bit troubling.
Cain is a lightweight. I liked him at first until I understood he was simply copying talking points. The man is unformed, unschooled and starting to look like a con artist. how anyone could consider him a serious candidate at this point is beyond me. He was also a major lobbyist in DC while he acts like a big outsider. I would hope people could see the difference between a real candidate and a con man. All that being said I would vote for him before Mitt.
Gingrich is the only one running who could possibly be considered a world history scholar, and he clearly isn’t the answer. I don’t think Palin, Romney, Pawlenty, or Bachmann have extensive knowledge of world history, either.
Accusing Christians of pandering because they gave a paryer? I'm not a fan of either Bachmann or timmy but that line was just below the belt by cain.
Accusing Christians of pandering because they gave a paryer? I'm not a fan of either Bachmann or timmy but that line was just below the belt by cain.
Cain is not going to win. He has no chance. It’s hard not to like him, but he doesn’t exude political savvy and decisiveness like the best of our conservatives, Palin, Ryan, Bachmann and West.
Palin makes Cain look like a little child.
People need to be aware that you are a big Palin supporter. I like Palin because she has the right enemies, but I’m not sure she can win and am not positive she’s Presidential material. This might sound petty, but her attending five different colleges bothers me. As someone who spent 7 years at one college, it strikes me as odd. It also makes her come across as flighty and indecisive.
Not quite. Nevermind that Cain is 20 years older, I’d argue that he has the most private sector success of anyone running, including Romney. He turned around Godfather’s Pizza. He turned around Burger King in the Philadelphia area and was also a mathematician in ballistics for the United States Navy. I don’t think Palin, Romney, Bachmann, or Pawlenty could be mathematicians. This guy has an incredible background, except for his role as an advisor for Dole/Kemp. Also, having a conservative black guy from the deep south defeat the first black President would be one of the great American stories.
Thank you. Don’t know an answer? Admit you don’t know, then find out so that the next time you get that question you do have a plan in front of you.
Better to look like a fool by admitting ignorance than to remain a fool by feigning competence.
I like that Cain tells me, “I want to see the specifics of it before I comment on whether I am for or against this.”
We know where he stands on all the big deals. Why not on the little ones too? When I ran I got peppered by questions on an oil pipeline that I had never heard about at all. My response, “let me read up on the pipeline.” Next time I got that question, I could reply that I had read the particulars, knew the information and thought that the plan in place was solid.
I didn’t realize Cain was coming from a lobbyist background. The Fair Tax gimmick that he has peddled for years isn’t going anywhere but it would certainly take power away from both the politicians and pawnbrokers. He defends it in terms of consumer protection which only makes sense if it saves billions on lobbyists whose job it is to help rewrite the tax code and get rid of loopholes that currently pave the way for corporate tax dodging. Because it isn’t as if companies are passing along taxes in the form of higher prices when so much is being bypassed on the front end.
Clearly the Palin supporters have taken up the use of the very tricks that the left have used and continue to use against Palin.
They have become worse than the Paulist in the rude trash talk. Does anyone think that by brow beating, belittling and besmirching others and their candidate that they can win support for their own? The Paulist have tried this tactic for years and where has that gotten them?
I’ve seen any number of post on Herman Cain threads here on FR on which Cain has been declared a Palin Spoiler, a FED Plant and everything in between including per one of our fellow FReeper that he smelled like Obama and yet I have never see even on Cain supporter go on a Palin thread and talk trash not even once.
Now I like Sarah and with no buts and if she gets in then I will cross that bridge then, but I like to ask a question; With Sarah not having declared as of yet what kind of person who is confident enough in themselves and their skills and abilities to run for and hold the office of POTUS would wait around to see if another candidate is going to run or not? Ill tell what kind the kind that doesnt deserve the office. If you plan to run you run! A person who plans to hold the office of POTUS waits on no one!
Palin was CEO of 25,000 employees and left her state with a $12 billion surplus. Cain left Godfather's pizza in massive leveraged debt.
As far as being a mathematician,,Carter was a nuclear engineer. how did that work out?
It's nice you like Cain and defend him but any search into his record shows that he isn't prepared to be a candidate let alone the POTUS.
And I don't vote for someone based on his race. I could care less if he was orange.
She finished college with no debt. First time I have every seen someone be attacked for working her way through college and not taking on debt to pay for it.
But this ticket would have a man at the helm who does -
Obama promising US loyalty to Islam and it's greatness
Col.West laying it out in PS (Plain Speak) not PC.
on Israel, Islam, Iran,
30 second clip - gotta love it
I like your post.But I have a quibble about language. You say, "smarta$$ is not a journalist," but then you say, "[he is] a liberal propagandist, which means he is simply a very subtle, useful tool of left-wing propagandists, an "advance party" if you will. "
My point is simply that the wire services in general and the Associated Press in particular united journalism around the self-interest of journalism itself. Journalism is just talk, and
the self interest of journalism is that its talk is taken to be more important than the action taken by others to provide food, clothing, shelter, security, energy, and so forth.
This explains why journalism is able to maintain the fatuous conceit of its own objectivity, despite the obvious realtity that journalism is at most part of the truth, and "Half the truth is often a great lie." You can print "both sides of the story" without necessarily getting at the truth of the matter, and that happens all the time. Because the perspective of the journalist defines what he thinks the two sides of the story are. Which may be irrelevant to what is actually going on. And the very fact that the journalist claims to be objective (or, what is the same thing, suffers others to claim it for him) proves that the journalist is not even trying to be objective.
Ironically, it is possible to attempt to be objective only by being open about any reasons why you might not be objective. And claiming to be objective is the very opposite of scrupulously examining your own motives and being open about how they (inevitably) influence your perspective. Therefore,
no "objective journalist" is even trying to actually be objective.
It would be wonderful if we could count on objective information for the mere price of a newspaper. Alas, it is impossible. There can be no substitute for exercising your own judgement. "Anyone who tells you anything else is selling something."The wisest and most cautious of us all frequently gives credit to stories which he himself is afterwards both ashamed and astonished that he could possibly think of believing . . .
It is acquired wisdom and experience only that teach incredulity,
and they very seldom teach it enough. - Adam SmithBecause the wire services unified journalism, journalism speaks with a single voice (I discount the editorial pages as being a peripheral issue, which function primarily to "position" the rest of the newspaper as being objective). Since journalism speaks with a single voice, there are natural propaganda advantages to agreeing with that unified journalistic voice. So if you don't have any principles other than your own self interest, the path of least resistance is to become a politician who promotes whatever the journalistic voice finds convenient. You can then count on that journalistic voice to give you favorable labels and give your opposition consistently unfavorable PR.
So when you say someone is a propagandist rather than a journalist, you give undue credit to journalism as a profession. Journalism is propaganda.
This must be a deliberate strategy on his part. I've heard him speak at length on his radio program about what Bush was doing wrong when it came to illegal immigration, and he has a clear proposal for illegal immigration, so I know he is familiar with it.
It may be an attempt to not let the press sidetrack him from the points he wants to emphasize, which clearly seems to be economics.
It’s okay to defend Palin, but don’t say incorrect things about Herman Cain. Godfather’s Pizza was on the verge of bankruptcy when he took over. I have yet to see where yearly pizza sales fell. As for Sarah Palin, she was a good governor, but it isn’t that hard to run surplusses with the oil money that rolls in.
As part of the restructuring--and prompted by takeover rumors--Pillsbury encouraged a leveraged buyout of Godfather's by a group of senior managers, led by President and CEO Herman Cain and Executive Vice-President and COO Ronald B. Gartlan. The purchase price was not disclosed, but was estimated by some analysts at $100 million. At that point, Godfather's ranked fifth in the pizza segment lineup, having slipped from its third place ranking in 1985. The chain continued to face considerable competitive challenges and reported that although most of the company-owned businesses were profitable, many of its 420 franchisees, which paid royalties to the parent company, were not. Cain told James Scarpa of Restaurant Business Magazine that Godfather's aim over the next several years was to move from fifth to fourth place in the ranking From 1985 until 1988 godfathers went from 3rd to fifth in sales under 2 years of Cain's management. It also took on $10's of millions in leveraged debt. also under Cain's management. I don't make up stuff. Cain "saved" godfather's pizza by cutting stores, decreasing sales and doing a leveraged buyout from Pillsbury. the leveraged debt was still outstanding as late as 1995 and was causing godfather's pizza to not be able to grow...
In Cain's own words:
He stated in a 1995 interview with Teresa Howard of Nation's Restaurant News, "My next goal is for Godfather's to reach its goal of financial independence." He further stated, in reference to the company's heavily leveraged debt, "I want to retire debt in order to allow us to grow the way we want to." as far as Gov Palin she did that budget miracle during the oil crash of $150 /bl down to $40/bl. Of 2008-2009
“I’ve heard him speak at length on his radio program about what Bush was doing wrong when it came to illegal immigration, and he has a clear proposal for illegal immigration, so I know he is familiar with it.”
I’m glad to hear that, but if anyone from his camp sees this, I hope they tell him to address illegal immigration, even if it’s the nutshell version, imho.
Sarah Palin was an excellent governor, but 64% of Americans say they won’t vote for her. Granted, I’m sure the poll is rigged to some degree, but unless 70% of those polled were dems, it’s a very bad sign. Defeating Obama is much more important than any one person getting elected. Although, we can’t vote for someone only because they seem more electable. That kind of thinking got us McCain. The poll I mentioned had Romney as the only Republican who would defeat Obama, and at this exact moment that’s probably true, but we all know how easy it would be to pick Romney apart. Between Romneycare and his flip-flopping, the dems would have a field day with him. Dateline and 20/20 would also do stories on the bizarre goings on in the mormon church.
Romney hasn’t gone through the negative attacks yet. If he can only tie Obama at this stage with 2 years of positive Mitt press he can’t win. Palin is fully vetted, Mitt is not. polls show Palin only need about an 8pt swing to win the election and that is after 3 years of negative attacks. she is teflon now. Mitt is at his high point he doesn’t go higher than he is now.
We can’t afford to allow Obama to win. we can’t send out an untested unvetted candidate like Mitt to face the thug in chief. we need to field are most battle tested, vetted candidate in history whihc would be Palin.
I’m just afraid that Palin is too damaged. I totally agee with you about Mitt. He’d be easy too attack.