Posted on 06/11/2011 7:26:13 AM PDT by Notary Sojac
“IF you want to start cost cutting with age 65 and above citizens, who by and large are now trapped by choices they have made (or the govt made for them) over the past 40 years.”
You are correct. But by not cost cutting with all expenditures from this and every other government program, you are making decisions for the young and the unborn for the next 40 years.
It is exactly your argument - which isn’t a bad argument, it’s just pie-in-the-sky - that will ensure that the elderly will be completely cut off one day as our government revenues collapse, and the ability to print/borrow is withdrawn.
At least simplify your reasoning. Admit that if those who wish to cut medicare and other government expenditures do not care about the elderly (the crux of your argument), then those who do not wish to cut medicare do not care about the young and future yet-to-be-born Americans.
The article is clear. The golden age of socialism in the US is officially over. Medicare is dead.
You sure do. You can even exaggerate. In the end, we vote for the extent of civilization we want to spend money on.
“I can see these greedy old geezers supporting politicians who would gladly impose 100% (or higher even) taxes on younger people to pay for these benefits. Of course if that happens people simply won’t work anymore.”
It’s worse than that - if those who refuse to accept reality had it their way - many of the children who they would tax into slavery will not even be born - nobody will be able to afford to have children, nor would it be wise to bring too many children into this world that will be enslaved by those who think they have a claim on everyone elses hard work.
Indeed. We have 2 children of our own and given that we pay half of our income or more in various taxes to all levels of government, paying our actual expenses can be difficult at times.
Look at overall birth rates in this country. The people who work and produce have the fewest children. Only the parasites who get everything for free can have litters and litters of spawn.
Incorrect. That generation paid for the previous generation's Social Security and Medicare; just as the workers of today pay the current retirees' benefits. And as for caring for children, isn't that what parents who have children who generally cannot work for themselves are supposed to do? I have 2 children under 3 years old. I cannot send them into the coal mines and make them pay for their health care.
Provide anything you believe is right. As long as you can come up with a way to pay for it.
well, for starters I have over $2000 a year extra in my bank account that is now being sucked out to pay for MEDICARE premiums, even though I've had no medical bills or appointments for 2 years. Then maybe I could afford to hunt for a private insurance plan...
ooops, what is the future of “private” insurance or even non-insured self-paid healthcare in this country?
why should I -or YOU - buy any plan or make any future assumptions at all, when the govt can bankrupt the insurance company next year, or take it over and change all the rules - and also tell private doctors they are not allowed to provide treatment?
That is the dirty underlying secret to obamacare, preventing even private, self-paid healthcare treatment options and decisions between doctor and patient ... that would screw up his redistribution scheme, which is to prevent “the rich” (ie, middle class) from buying something the “under served”” do not have..and the "wealth" of the old farts is such a tempting target, when young people with families have to struggle so hard to put food on the table, flat screens on the walls, and RV's in the driveway
As a first shot over the bow, that is why people over 50 willing to PAY for flu vaccine in 2009 were not PERMITTED to do so, by the US government.
So, genius, I suspect we both have the same long term plan.
Stay healthy.
Are the costs of their immunizations covered by insurance or do you pay the entire bill at time of service?
We are all screwed. The cause was 50 year slide into socialism. We were all warned when we chose to go down this road that this would be the result.
I’m sorry. We are screwed.
I advise stop crying about it and start trying to figure out how to survive the next 10 years. It is going to be hell.
You nailed it. Socialist medicine is all about controlling and enslaving people, nothing more. You get on the government’s excrement list? No more health care for you.
With 2 children, you're not as me-only as I thought. But some think your right idea also applies to children who have parents unable to work.
Why do you care? I do not hold a gun to your head, or coerce you under threat of imprisonment, to pay for my family's health care and as long as that is the case, you have no business knowing about my family's health care outside of what I personally choose to divulge about it.
If you have a problem with private insurance paying certain types of benefits you can always drop it if you don't like it. Medicare doesn't give anyone that option.
“...when young people with families have to struggle so hard to put food on the table, flat screens on the walls, and RV’s in the driveway”
Just as I suspected. You are a socialist. You don’t want people to keep their money and spend it on things that you might not have, especially when you “need” something.
“Stay healthy.”
That’s at least partly in most peoples control.
You miss my point entirely though. A socialist cannot grasp any argument that doesn’t result in them getting something that someone else worked for.
Your envy betrays your socialist thinking.
See above
It will not be permitted to pay for it, unless you can go abroad or find a doctor willing to subvent the US government.
which will own him, by virtue of his student loans, his access to practice in govt-subsidized facilties, using drugs and equipment developed with govt grants, and whether it allows him to have a practice that is allowed ot be reimbursed for treating other patients with govt health insurance
If the government does not want “national” resources (including doctors themselves, who are liable for conscription and nationalization at presidential directive under obamacare regs) allocated to useless eaters, it will stop that treatment
checkmate
yeppers, you are a genius
I spent over 22 years in the US military, defending socialism in America. heII, I’m a d@mn marxist, now that I don’t need a security clearance I can come out and say it!
Now that I’m retired I need more money- Gimme yours comrade.
LOL!
I understand that $#!+ does happen to people through no fault of their own and that charity can help in such situations. I apologize for my grammar though... I was referring to the children not being able to work for or support themselves, not the parents.
Just because my parents worked their rear ends off and sacrificed for my well-being during my childhood that every other person older than me is entitled to my paycheck as a result.
“I spent over 22 years in the US military, defending socialism in America. heII, I’m a d@mn marxist, now that I don’t need a security clearance I can come out and say it!”
You are the only person who was in the military, had a security clearance.
You said it my friend. Why would you deride someone buying an RV, or a flat screen TV if they earned the money to pay for it?
I was in the military too, yet I do not expect the government to take care of me. Why do you? I did it because I felt it was my duty as an American. Why did you - so that someone would take care of you for the rest of your life?
One need not be a genius to listen to what you say and conclude that you are a socialist.
So what did we do before Medicare that was put in place in 1965?
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