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National Review Online ^ | 11 June 2011 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 06/11/2011 7:26:13 AM PDT by Notary Sojac

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To: silverleaf

I’m ot usre where you got your info my my Doctor offered me a flu shot last year and I was 50? Same for my hubby who is 53 almost 54.


81 posted on 06/11/2011 1:06:05 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: silverleaf

I’m not sure where you got your info my my Doctor offered me a flu shot last year and I was 50? Same for my hubby who is 53 almost 54.


82 posted on 06/11/2011 1:06:21 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: kabar

Peple paid for medical treatment out of their own pockets just l.ike we are going to have to go back to very soon.


83 posted on 06/11/2011 1:10:16 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

They also had insurance.


84 posted on 06/11/2011 1:14:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Let me make this very clear. I will be NO ONES SLAVE. I was not around when fools voted themselves benefits through a Ponzie Scheme. I will not pay for a system that benefits the fools and the lazy. I will care for me and mine but everyone else can go to hell. I pay well over half my income already in taxes. Sooner or later it will cross the line and CWII will truly be a fight over slavery. If the choices are poverty or tax slave - I choose violent resistance. They have at most 5 years before the house of cards come down.

Its sad that if 30% of the freepers are echoing into this social contract shit then the general population must be 80%. It will never be fixed and when the ship sinks people will be still saying where is my check - I was promised. I payed in, I want mine. F’em

85 posted on 06/11/2011 1:21:41 PM PDT by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is to lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: DManA

I was on the high school debating team when Medicare was proposed. It was the official National Forensic Society issue that year. It was already obvious that the scheme was unaffordable in the long run. A kid with notes on a bunch or index cards could make the case. Now, I’m an old fart, and my view is that if the system goes broke, my savings run dry and my kids can’t afford my care, I’ll die of whatever lethal thing I have when the money runs out. So what? We aren’t supposed to live forever.


86 posted on 06/11/2011 1:44:24 PM PDT by joe.fralick
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To: Free_in_Alabama
if 30% of the freepers are echoing into this social contract shit then the general population must be 80%

Exactly. This is what I have been saying for years.

87 posted on 06/11/2011 2:02:20 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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To: kabar

Medicare A (hospital and nursing home)is where the really huge costs are.


88 posted on 06/11/2011 2:09:29 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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To: Free_in_Alabama

There are simply not enough ways in the world to “amen” everything in your post.


89 posted on 06/11/2011 3:00:10 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Free_in_Alabama

I feel the same way.I am 50 years old and was 4yo when medicare came into being.I had no say in anything and I’ve paid for others all of my ans my husbad’s working life.Like you we are paying taxes out the yazoo.My family will not starve so someone else can have something they think they are owed becuase they paid in.I paid in too but understand that it was only another tax and that the money was spent gone and no way to retreive.


90 posted on 06/11/2011 4:10:30 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: mewzilla

Bump for later.


91 posted on 06/11/2011 4:27:42 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Notary Sojac
Medicare A (hospital and nursing home)is where the really huge costs are.

If you take a look at the 2011 Trustees Report, you will see a chart that shows the estimated projection of income and expenditures for 2011-2020, you will notice that the expenditures for the HI Trust Fund (Medicare A) are $263 billion compared to the SMI expenditures (Medicare Parts B and D), which total $295 billion (B $228 and D $67). It should also be noted that 75% of the Medicare B and D costs come from the General Fund. So Medicare Part A is only responsible for about half of the Medicare costs.

What many people don't realize is that Medicare is consuming huge amounts of funding from the General Fund, due primarily at this point to Medicare Parts B and D. The Medicare actuaries don't consider these parts as problematic since beneficiary premiums are adjusted to ensure that the 25% of the total funding is met. However, they assume the other 75% will be available from the general fund, a big assumption.

Medicaid picks up the lion's share of long term care and nursing home expenditures. Approximately one-third of the $366 billion is spent on long term care, i.e., facilities, intermediate care facilities for the mentally retarded, mental health, home health services, and personal care support services.

Medicare already spends more than it receives in dedicated taxes and premium payments. As baby boomer retirees begin to flood the system, the impact will be felt by every other federal program:

• Currently, Medicare claims about 11 percent of federal nonentitlement tax dollars.

• By 2020, Medicare deficits will claim one in every five federal tax dollars that are not already dedicated to Medicare and Social Security.

• This means that in just 13 years the federal government will have to stop doing one in every five things it does today if taxes are to remain at their current level and projected Medicare benefits are paid on behalf of the disabled and the elderly.

• By 2030, the deficits in Medicare will claim one in every three general revenue dollars; by 2050, they will claim one in every two.

92 posted on 06/11/2011 4:39:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: chris_bdba
Thanks another sane voice. I am in my 40s and paid the taxes but I will be damned if I let my children be tax slaves for their grand parents and great grand parents. I will take care of mine. SS / Medicare / Medicaid have to go. There is no saving it. Someone has to take it down or it takes all us down.

There are people on FR that know its all IOUs and bankrupt but still want their money out of it. It is pathetic. Where are the going to get the $ ? From their kids and grand kids. We are getting ready to separate the patriots from the parasites. It will be staggering, saddening and bloody. There is no other way.

I still think that sometime in 2012/2013 there will be a global financial reset. All countries will agree thinking it will keep the “game” going. 12-18 month after that, the lights start going out globally and armies start moving.

93 posted on 06/11/2011 6:43:05 PM PDT by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is to lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: Free_in_Alabama
Thanks another sane voice. I am in my 40s and paid the taxes but I will be damned if I let my children be tax slaves for their grand parents and great grand parents. I will take care of mine. SS / Medicare / Medicaid have to go. There is no saving it. Someone has to take it down or it takes all us down.

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I couldn't agree more; I, too, am in my 40s, but I have absolutely no intention of my kids becoming tax slaves either, in particular to the effing baby-boomers who have so radically messed this country up.
94 posted on 06/11/2011 6:47:29 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Bayou Dittohead; Grampa Dave; tubebender; budwiesest; WilliamofCarmichael; calcowgirl; AuntB; ...
"people did pay specific taxes for these benefits based upon promises that never should have been made."

Just as Burney Madoff did, but the "people" you refered to violated the trust of we the people who should have known better all along. But the miserable Main Stream Media hyped what these "people" did for so long that they then felt totally justified even though they stole the role of "statesmen" and "stateswomen"!

I've been helping Seniors with health insurance coverage since 1963, long before that bastard LBJ's "Great Society." As a self-employed all that time and paying both halves of Social Security taxes and gobs of Medicare taxes, (unlike John Edwards that ran for POTUS while screwin a campaign worker into a maternity claim) and now the current POTUS doesn't even want me to have a Medicare Advantage program which is far better than traditional Medicare!!!

This is all so abjectly disgusting!!!

95 posted on 06/11/2011 8:12:26 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: Notary Sojac

Its all an illusion...Medicare and SS....entrusted to a pack of Wieners for several generations...they’ve mismanaged it into the ground. It all detonates when the bond market does-no sooner or later...


96 posted on 06/11/2011 8:20:18 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: SierraWasp

Prescription drugs were affordable until the politicians made it FREE and now our co-pay has gone up every year since...


97 posted on 06/11/2011 8:51:44 PM PDT by tubebender (Help! I've fallen, and I can't reach my wine!)
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To: mo
Medicare and SS....entrusted to a pack of Wieners for several generations...they’ve mismanaged it into the ground.

Even if the nicest people managed these programs they would crash and burn anyway. Both are ponzi schemes and simply cannot work, no matter who is running them. Crashing and burning is simply inevitable.

98 posted on 06/11/2011 8:53:14 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102
So this story makes it OK for the one set of people to hold a gun to another set of people, threaten their freedom and force them to pay for the former's medical care and retirement benefits?

Do I not have a right to say no?

The boomers had to pay for the "greatest generation" - many of whom never actually worked out of the home. We did not have a choice and we did not get to say "no." Now it is the next generation's turn to pay for us. It is too late to change the rules now. The boomers don't have that many years of workability left in them after 67.

99 posted on 06/11/2011 9:43:09 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2
The boomers had to pay for the "greatest generation" - many of whom never actually worked out of the home. We did not have a choice and we did not get to say "no." Now it is the next generation's turn to pay for us. It is too late to change the rules now. The boomers don't have that many years of workability left in them after 67.

That sounds exactly like the reasoning a bully uses when he attacks someone... "this happened to me, so now it is gonna happen to you!" Quite a few of us in Generation X already see our children being sold into debt bondage because of this type of thinking, but because we love our families more, we advocate ending these destructive programs instead of propagating them. Yes, I said it. I believe that anyone who supports the continuation of programs like Social Security and Medicare simply hates the younger generations of people, while those of us who support ending these programs love the younger generations of people.

The more I ponder it, Social Security and Medicare sound a lot like slavery, which, last I checked, was supposed to be illegal unless someone was convicted of a crime.

As you mentioned, many of the people in the generation that preceded the baby boomers never worked outside of the home, while most of the baby boomers did work outside of the home. To that I say, why didn't these people save more money for retirement since they clearly had it? I still cannot understand why one person's lack of planning for the future becomes the concern of another completely unrelated person.

100 posted on 06/12/2011 5:11:12 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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