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Leader of Brady Group Gloats About Coming Gun Ban ‘Proposals’
Ammoland.com ^ | June 10th, 2011 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 06/11/2011 5:33:46 PM PDT by neverdem

PHOENIX, AZ --(Ammoland.com)- Paul Helmke, ringleader of the aggressive Brady Anti-Gun gang, released this statement about the “bipartisan” gun-control meeting the White House scheduled.

(Note: The “White House” is a building and can’t do anything; the person responsible in that building remains unidentified but appears to be Steve Croley) The meeting only included people who want to ban guns, an indicator of the plans, according to unidentifiable experts.

“On Tuesday, I attended a meeting at the U.S. Department of Justice with representatives from the White House, the Vice-President’s office, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the FBI, and others from the Obama Administration, along with leaders from the gun violence prevention movement, to discuss how to reach the goals outlined in the President’s statement. Officials from the Administration indicated that this was the first of what they hoped would be a series of discussions. They said they had not settled on, or excluded, any relevant proposals.

“I began the discussion by listing basic measures that the Brady Campaign, and others, felt could make a difference. The list included: a strong background check system, with good and complete records of dangerous and irresponsible people, applicable to all commercial gun sales; more tools for law enforcement to stop trafficking in illegal guns; increasing the number and type of military-style weapons, including "assault clips," that should not be readily available to civilians, like machine-guns and fully automatic weapons. Administration officials then asked questions. My colleagues and I gave examples and arguments for legislative, administrative, and voluntary policies that could help reduce the bloodshed.

“The meeting lasted more than 90 minutes. Having this many Administration representatives spend this much time on this initial meeting signaled to me that the president is serious. He wants to do something meaningful about gun violence. After meeting with others, including law enforcement and "gun rights" groups [note: no such meetings are known to have been held], Obama’s representatives will be presenting specific proposals. We hope those will include all the "sound and effective steps" that the president called for in his statement.”

No word has leaked on what or how the anti-rights leaders will attempt to implement their programs. Rumors are swirling that every effort will be made to avoid going through Congress, since it is well recognized that the peoples’ representatives there will not tolerate rights denial programs. Avoiding Congress would be a travesty bordering on treason, but since it is just one of many such moves, objections might be slight, and arrests of the perpetrators seem unlikely.

One leading gun-rights advocate, who was not invited to the “open” discussions, opined, “A seat at the table would be good, but only if used to present reasonable ideas — gun curricula, self-defense protections, justice for civil-rights violators (just injecting civil rights into the lexicon would be good), gun-free zones vs. make-believe gun-free zones, the debilitating effects of hoplophobia and failure to recognize or treat the sufferers, and have the antis dismiss such common-sense measures; also a chance to stand against the anti-rights movement and cast them as such. I’m not sure which gun-rights leader is best suited to that. I’d love to have a crack at it, but I wasn’t invited.” An opportunity to do any of that was considered unlikely.

There are serious issues American gun owners want discussed, such as restoration of rights, national concealed-carry reciprocity, cracking down on states like New Jersey, New York and California that routinely violate gun owners rights, lifting the administration’s ban on importation of historic WWII-era rifles, reining in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, especially the Phoenix office and its Fast and Furious and GunWalker operations, and the nomination of anti-gun rights Andrew Traver to head BATFE.

Plans to strip Americans of their guns, either in whole cloth or with a thousand cuts, are deep secrets at both the center of the U.S. government, and at the United Nations, which are known to be working in concert to attain those goals. We’ll be watching.

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1 posted on 06/11/2011 5:33:52 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

And it’s going to take all those illegal guns off the streets and out of the hands of gangs. Yep.


2 posted on 06/11/2011 5:38:03 PM PDT by SkyDancer (It's not the police that protect our rights, it's our military)
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower; marktwain

Bang!


3 posted on 06/11/2011 5:38:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: neverdem

It would seem we are to be snowed under with a
blizzard of anti-gun legislation and Czar/Executive
orders. Look for it.

I for one would like to see the minutes of this meeting,
transparency would demand it.


4 posted on 06/11/2011 5:39:43 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem

A former Republican mayor of Fort Wayne Indiana.


5 posted on 06/11/2011 5:41:04 PM PDT by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: neverdem

It appears to me that most of the gun crimes reported in the news involve blacks or Hispanics. Before I believe that Government can actually reduce crime by taking away arms from honest law biding citizens, let them disarm the criminals that are committing most of the gun crimes and then come and talk to me about giving up my right to self protection.


6 posted on 06/11/2011 5:43:11 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: neverdem

Before the police state Nazis like the Brady crowd can take over, they’ve got to get our guns.


7 posted on 06/11/2011 5:47:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: neverdem

Please, try to take the Guns!!


8 posted on 06/11/2011 5:47:20 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: neverdem
more tools for law enforcement to stop trafficking in illegal guns

Yea, Operation Fast a Furious was soooooo successful that they want to repeat it all over!

9 posted on 06/11/2011 5:47:45 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"Before the police state Nazis like the Brady crowd can take over, they’ve got to get our guns."

Do you think so? If the armed citizenry hasn't already fought back, what will make them do so? Cojones are more important than guns, and I wonder how much of those, collectively, our feminized society has.

10 posted on 06/11/2011 6:05:34 PM PDT by Batrachian (Prepare for four more years.)
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To: Batrachian

NRA how is your backing Democrats working for you?


11 posted on 06/11/2011 6:07:40 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: scooby321
"NRA how is your backing Democrats working for you?"

They where stupid for doing that, and a lot of people told them so. In a situation where the Dem has a better pro-gun record than the Repub, the NRA should not make an endorsement. However, this article clearly states that Obama will do everything he can outside of Congress, which would tell him to shove it on gun control.

12 posted on 06/11/2011 6:14:30 PM PDT by Batrachian (Prepare for four more years.)
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To: neverdem

While they Gloat...I BLOAT...


13 posted on 06/11/2011 6:38:30 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: neverdem

Corrupt anti-American, unAmerican bastards.


14 posted on 06/11/2011 6:46:47 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: neverdem

It’s a federal offense for ANY federally funded Fed. Gov. agency to engage in lobbying.
Nearly all the agencies involved in this cabal are federally funded!

So they are above the law, but WE must comply, even if the “Law” is unconstitutional.

Would be nice to see someone call them out on this, dare I say it, conspiracy to deprive Americans of a clearly elucidated right?


15 posted on 06/11/2011 7:14:35 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: onyx

The whole Obama crew are nothing but a bunch of America hating homos.


16 posted on 06/11/2011 7:47:34 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: neverdem

They’re going to do it through treaty policy, which doesn’t have to be ratified to be accepted as internationally binding. Congress doesn’t matter any more.


17 posted on 06/11/2011 7:48:19 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (When Republicans don't vote conservative, conservatives don't vote Republican.)
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To: Squantos; hiredhand; Travis McGee; Joe Brower

It’s a bang or get banged world.


18 posted on 06/11/2011 8:00:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: neverdem
Paul Helmke, ringleader of the aggressive Brady Anti-Gun gang, released this statement about the “bipartisan” gun-control meeting the White House scheduled.

There is no such thing as "bipartisan" for this issue. There are only Americans and anti-americans. Taking the good with the bad is part of being free. If you don't like guns then get the hell out of our country.

19 posted on 06/11/2011 8:09:19 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: Batrachian

Okay, General Batrachian.

Where do we muster? Who’s the CO? Which company and platoon do we report to?

Blowhards like you love to cut down American patriots because we haven’t rolled guillotines down Pennsylvania Avenue. If you took a historical measure, you’d discover that it took the Founders 25 years - 1750 to 1775 - to organize, find leadership and make a plan to take on the British.

Twenty-six states have an organized state militia. And I’ll bet that you’re not a member of any of them.


20 posted on 06/11/2011 8:21:45 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Apropos of nothing, everybody dies of something. Thanks neverdem.


21 posted on 06/11/2011 8:23:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: jospehm20

I concur.


22 posted on 06/11/2011 8:34:14 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Batrachian
You said a mouth full.I think alot of Americans have fallen asleep.
23 posted on 06/11/2011 8:50:06 PM PDT by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: SunkenCiv

organization shmorganization. When this country hit’s it’s tipping point, every man, woman, child, and small dog will be a target. Especially the small dogs.


24 posted on 06/11/2011 9:09:18 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds.)
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To: stevie_d_64
While they Gloat...I BLOAT...

Amen to that brother.
25 posted on 06/11/2011 9:52:20 PM PDT by CaptSkip
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To: sergeantdave

Militias are outdated. Look around the world,, leaderless resistance is far better. It’s extremely difficult to roll up. If you give up the luxury of a leader giving orders for this or that plan,,,you wind up with a movement that is much more to be feared.


26 posted on 06/12/2011 1:15:16 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: neverdem

Obama Second Amendment. “A well regulated population of slaves being needed to preserve the Communist Party. The right of elite Party Members tp bear arms shall not be infringed.”


27 posted on 06/12/2011 3:05:51 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: sergeantdave

what the heck are you babbling about? Which patriots am I cutting down? For your information, dimwit, I was a reservist until I was forced out by health problems, and that was not so long ago. I don’t know what you’re responding to. Sheesh.


28 posted on 06/12/2011 3:42:03 AM PDT by Batrachian (Prepare for four more years.)
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To: tet68
I for one would like to see the minutes of this meeting, transparency would demand it

Calling partisan meetings to whip up support for a planned E.O. or other Administration action is something Obama has done a lot, ee.g. his "stakeholder" meetings on Obamacare and on "reform" of IRA's and 401(k)'s (seizure of private retirement assets).

The Bolsheviks used to call these kinds of meetings "soviets".

29 posted on 06/12/2011 4:03:12 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: neverdem
We need a list of the attendees, who have been conspiring to deprive the American people of a Civil Right.

That is both a criminal and civil offense.

Gunowners should file a class action suit against them all, strip them of their funds and lay waste to this crap once and for all. A group of 80,000,000 (or so) plaintifs should carry some weight.

30 posted on 06/12/2011 7:42:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: sergeantdave; Batrachian

LOL

I’m pouring lots of butter on my popcorn.


31 posted on 06/12/2011 10:12:19 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: neverdem
Leader of Brady Group Gloats About Coming Gun Ban ‘Proposals’

And PLEASE... get these "proposals" out there in the runup to the 2012 elections!

32 posted on 06/12/2011 6:40:05 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: neverdem

Korwin’s a good man.


33 posted on 06/12/2011 7:03:23 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DesertRhino

I agree. “Unintended Consequences” tells the story. A must read. Henry Bowman was right.


34 posted on 06/13/2011 4:22:16 AM PDT by vortec94
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To: neverdem

One of the items on the gun grabbers wish list is “good and complete records of dangerous and irresponsible people.”

the dims are very emboldended with an acting president who has no regard for the Constitution.


35 posted on 06/13/2011 4:46:46 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Batrachian

So, basically, the NRA should become a de-facto arm of the Republican Party?

No f%*&ing way.

We’re trying to get more Democrats to side with us on 2A issues, so withholding endorsements simply because they’re Democrats is just stupid.


36 posted on 06/13/2011 6:01:27 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: neverdem; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Enemy action ping. Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
37 posted on 06/13/2011 6:09:06 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Smokin' Joe
You fill out the affidavit and fax it to me. I'll sign it under scrutiny of a Notary and fax it back.

A Class action lawsuit? No, it needs to be a Criminal complaint!

I don't care if I see ONE DIME in compensatory damages. I want my Rights back and I no longer want to live in fear of being shot by government agents for simply putting those Rights into practice.

38 posted on 06/13/2011 6:36:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Travis McGee; neverdem; Joe Brower; marktwain

I am really surprised that some pro gun nutcase hasn’t yet flipped out and shot Helmke or Brady the same way the dude took out the Congresswoman in Arizona last month.


39 posted on 06/13/2011 7:35:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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>>No word has leaked on what or how the anti-rights leaders will attempt to implement their programs. Rumors are swirling that every effort will be made to avoid going through Congress, since it is well recognized that the peoples’ representatives there will not tolerate rights denial programs. Avoiding Congress would be a travesty bordering on treason, but since it is just one of many such moves, objections might be slight, and arrests of the perpetrators seem unlikely.<<

Communist and Muslim supporters should take note of this statement:

WHAT IS A PATRIOT?

PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author


40 posted on 06/13/2011 7:41:17 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: B4Ranch
I am really surprised that some pro gun nutcase hasn’t yet flipped out and shot Helmke or Brady the same way the dude took out the Congresswoman in Arizona last month.

I don't think the dude who shot Giffords and the others...was a pro gun advocate.

He was/is just nuts.

41 posted on 06/13/2011 7:44:16 AM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is an enemy of the United States of America)
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To: B4Ranch; Travis McGee; neverdem; marktwain
Which is just further proof of the Big Lie that these statist cretins are always trying to jam into the heads of the sheeple.

As I've pointed out for many, many years -- if we gun-owners were 1/10th the hairy-backed, knuckle-draggers they paint us to be, they would have been dead long ago.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

42 posted on 06/13/2011 8:11:12 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem
...more tools for law enforcement to stop trafficking in illegal guns; ...

Here's a thought, maybe the DOJ should stop the BATFE from trafficking in illegal firearms for a start.

5.56mm

43 posted on 06/13/2011 8:12:05 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: DesertRhino; sergeantdave; Batrachian

>Where do we muster? Who’s the CO? Which company and platoon do we report to?<

>Blowhards like you love to cut down American patriots because we haven’t rolled guillotines down Pennsylvania Avenue. If you took a historical measure, you’d discover that it took the Founders 25 years - 1750 to 1775 - to organize, find leadership and make a plan to take on the British.<

>>Militias are outdated. Look around the world,, leaderless resistance is far better. It’s extremely difficult to roll up. If you give up the luxury of a leader giving orders for this or that plan,,,you wind up with a movement that is much more to be feared.<<

When you organize military type units, sure you have fantastic firefights but who is it that gets killed? The men who decided that the firefight/war was required for defense of the nation or the patriots who love the nation?

If the same men had decided to take out the treasonous leader and the political crowd of the opposing force would that make the needed changes in how business is conducted? More than likely it would.

So now you get down to the issue of do you inform/warn them that if they don’t change their ways, they are going to experience a swift drop in body temperature or do you just go ahead and do it?

Where do you draw the line that such and such behavior is worthy of a quiet removal from Office? No public display of the bodies is required. The family will understand that broadcasts on the evening news should be kept to two short sentences. “X and XX was killed last night. We are leaving town this afternoon.”

Lots of questions, huh?


44 posted on 06/13/2011 8:23:55 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Osage Orange

I didn’t mean to imply that he was pro-gun. I apologize.


45 posted on 06/13/2011 8:26:02 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: DesertRhino
...leaderless resistance is far better. It’s extremely difficult to roll up.

Absolutely so. To quote the immortal words of Henry Bowman, "If you see something that needs doing, do it." Anyone who needs a playbook at this late date isn't even in the game.

46 posted on 06/13/2011 8:42:24 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Noumenon
Anyone who needs a playbook at this late date isn't even in the game...

Agreed. But we should welcome stragglers. We'll need as many as we can get if we want our Constitutionally limited Federal Republic back...

47 posted on 06/13/2011 9:41:12 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: B4Ranch
I am really surprised that some pro gun nutcase hasn’t yet flipped out and shot Helmke or Brady the same way the dude took out the Congresswoman in Arizona last month.

Aw, they'd never catch him, anyway. It'd just be another COINTELPRO hit.

48 posted on 06/13/2011 10:14:56 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Batrachian
Do you think so? If the armed citizenry hasn't already fought back, what will make them do so? Cojones are more important than guns, and I wonder how much of those, collectively, our feminized society has.

Which is what I've been saying on here for a long time. Nobody did anything after the federal government passed farming laws, or all of those unconstitutional firearms laws. Nobody took a stand then, and I doubt nobody will take a stand today.

49 posted on 06/13/2011 10:26:12 AM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: sergeantdave

How about NFA ‘34? That was enacted far more than 25 years ago, and people still did nothing.

This is not the country George Washington fought for anymore, and it makes me sad to say it.


50 posted on 06/13/2011 10:29:50 AM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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