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In US Army, the beret is out and the cap is back
AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | 6/13/2011

Posted on 06/13/2011 6:19:19 PM PDT by cll

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The US Army is abandoning the beret, after a failed 10-year experiment.

The black beret, which proved deeply unpopular with American soldiers, will be replaced by a patrol cap for everyday wear, US Army spokesman Colonel Tom Collins said Monday.

The move came after outgoing Army chief of staff, General Martin Dempsey, asked the army's sergeant major "to go out and talk to soldiers across the force and see what was on their minds," Collins told AFP.

"One of the things that soldiers consistently brought up was the desire to wear the patrol cap as part of their duty uniform," he said.

The beret will still be part of the Army's dress uniform, but will no longer be worn in the field as soldiers complained that it was impractical, he said.

"It does not have a visor and doesn't shield the sun, doesn't absorb sweat well," Collins said.

One soldier put it more bluntly.

"I hate wearing a wet sock on my head," Chief Warrant Officer Mark Vino, at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state, told the Army Times. "Plus it makes head/skin break out."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: army; armyusarmy; beret; berets; china; fashion; raspberryberet; shinseki; shinsekisberets; shinseky; usarmy
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Shinseky's legacy out the window. Hope Casey's Blues as the Army Service Uniform with its white shirt/mall cop Class Bs goes soon too.
1 posted on 06/13/2011 6:19:21 PM PDT by cll
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To: SandRat

Army ping.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 6:20:21 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: cll

Buh-bye clinton inspired Monica cap.


3 posted on 06/13/2011 6:20:44 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 873 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: cll

Clintonian asshattery. See ya!


4 posted on 06/13/2011 6:23:58 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: null and void

"Hey, darlin', you just reminded me - I gotta give Shinseki a call..."


5 posted on 06/13/2011 6:25:16 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: cll

Good.


6 posted on 06/13/2011 6:25:40 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: cll

7 posted on 06/13/2011 6:25:49 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ...

(( ping ))


8 posted on 06/13/2011 6:26:17 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: cll

as soldiers complained that it was impractical, he said.

“It does not have a visor and doesn’t shield the sun, doesn’t absorb sweat well,” Collins said.
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it took our leaders 10 years to figure out we’re practical Americans, not Frenchmen ?


9 posted on 06/13/2011 6:28:48 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: cll

What the f*** is a “Patrol cap”? Are they talking about a fatigue cap?


10 posted on 06/13/2011 6:29:27 PM PDT by calex59
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To: cll

Berets should be earned by jumping out of planes and eating snakes. It was like giving everybody in class a pass grade so they didn’t hurt anyone’s self esteem.


11 posted on 06/13/2011 6:30:20 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: cll

The black beret should not be part of the dress uniform either. The black beret in the past was for Ranger units. It was earned. Shinseki’a bright idea was an insult to the Rangers. What was to be next, ribbons given out like Skittles? (oops, forgot, one insult to the Navy who got a Purple Heart for getting a splinter while spending Christmas in Cambodia).


12 posted on 06/13/2011 6:31:16 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: cll
black beret, which proved deeply unpopular with American soldiers

Years before I questioned the burnt orange beret of the MFO, a woolen POS with no bill in the scorching desert heat. We were told we might be mistaken for Israeli Rangers if we wore the desert camo boonie hat. My response was the Egyptians would know we weren't IDF Rangers because they (the Gypos) were still alive.

13 posted on 06/13/2011 6:31:38 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies and Radical Moo-slims. Now ain't that irOnic?)
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To: cll

The beret will be back in 10 years. It failed back in the 70s when we were all required to wear a beret of your branch colors. It didn’t last as long that time around.


14 posted on 06/13/2011 6:33:46 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: calex59
What the f*** is a “Patrol cap”? Are they talking about a fatigue cap?

Known among Marines as a Pisscutter.

15 posted on 06/13/2011 6:34:24 PM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: snowrip

The Beret should have been earned, not issued.


16 posted on 06/13/2011 6:34:41 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: calex59
We used to know it as the soft cap, one each.


17 posted on 06/13/2011 6:35:13 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: cll

Amen! Bring back the khakis.

Bus drivers. Hilarious. I missed the blues as Class A and Class B by a year.


18 posted on 06/13/2011 6:35:28 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: calex59

“Patrol cap” is ARMY lingo for good ol fashioned baseball cap!


19 posted on 06/13/2011 6:36:38 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: COBOL2Java

Yup, the ‘Lewinskies’ are finally going. It was his FU to the military.


20 posted on 06/13/2011 6:36:47 PM PDT by Justa
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To: cll

Wonder how much this moronic Shinseki boondoggle cost the American taxpayers....


21 posted on 06/13/2011 6:38:48 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: cll

I hated those stinking things that we had to wear at Fort Campbell, Kentucky back in the 1970s. I hated those stinking things. Glad to see them go. I was a patrol cap type hat man myself. Good move.


22 posted on 06/13/2011 6:38:50 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: Fred Hayek

Iraq 2005...Bronze stars went to E7 and above...given out like PEZ candy!


23 posted on 06/13/2011 6:41:41 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: Fred Hayek

And now Shinseki runs the VA, which in its infinite wisdom, is going to allow transgendered vets get hormone therapy and mental health care. Meanwhile, our combat vets that need mental health care are getting the shaft.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110610/ap_on_he_me/us_transgender_veterans_3


24 posted on 06/13/2011 6:44:27 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: Bedford Forrest
What the f*** is a “Patrol cap”? Are they talking about a fatigue cap?

Known among Marines as a Pisscutter.

I believe a pisscutter is a garrison cap (or flight cap to us zoomies).

25 posted on 06/13/2011 6:46:23 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: cll

We used to know it as the soft cap, one each.<< O.D. in color


26 posted on 06/13/2011 6:46:54 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: rangerwife

More shocking by far are the number of rapes committed in VA hospitals.


27 posted on 06/13/2011 6:47:20 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: cll

Hopefully the caps will be MADE IN AMERICA, not like the black berets, which a majority were made in china.


28 posted on 06/13/2011 6:47:32 PM PDT by tillacum (The whining, gasfumed, presstitutes are following Sarah's bus.)
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To: OL Hickory

Never liked those friggin UN beret’s.


29 posted on 06/13/2011 6:47:47 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Melchior

Yeah I just saw an article about that too.


30 posted on 06/13/2011 6:48:40 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: cll

Here's the one obama probably wants them to wear.

But no matter which cap, I bet it will be made in China.

31 posted on 06/13/2011 6:49:10 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The beret will be back in 10 years. It failed back in the 70s when we were all required to wear a beret of your branch colors.

I left the Army at the end of 1973, and I was not aware of an army wide Beret policy, what years was it?

32 posted on 06/13/2011 6:50:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: cll

I think the berets look nice but it does seem they would be impractical.

My Nephew gave me his floppy hat, I guess they were issued to them in basic. I really like it for just walking around the yard etc. as it keeps the sun off. I have noticed it hampers your vision somewhat.

I have heard the old Corinthian helmets worn by the ancient Greeks ran up to 10 pounds. They must have been really tough to wear and it looks like they would have cut down on your vision and hearing. On the other hand, they probably gave really good protection.


33 posted on 06/13/2011 6:53:31 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Melchior

HUH???? I’ve never heard of that. Proof?, date, names and VA hospital (s).


34 posted on 06/13/2011 6:53:42 PM PDT by tillacum (The whining, gasfumed, presstitutes are following Sarah's bus.)
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To: cll; Brucifer

35 posted on 06/13/2011 6:53:59 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: cll

No more ‘Monicas’?


36 posted on 06/13/2011 6:55:25 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: cll
NO beret? Sacré bleu!


37 posted on 06/13/2011 6:57:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: cll

‘Bout time . . . used to be worn only by Airborne and Special Forces . . . looks weird on the rest of the regular army


38 posted on 06/13/2011 6:57:40 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: cll

When will the Navy dump that GD “Dixie Cup”?


39 posted on 06/13/2011 7:01:42 PM PDT by mylife
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To: tillacum

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-07/us/veterans.administration.assaults_1_sexual-assault-va-inspector-general-s-office-va-police?_s=PM:US


40 posted on 06/13/2011 7:04:26 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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I guess there’s no chance that they’ll bring the c—t cap back. I really liked that cap.


41 posted on 06/13/2011 7:04:56 PM PDT by oldsicilian
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To: cll

This is very good news.

However, we always wear the patrol cap during field exercises (the article seemed to imply otherwise).

I can’t wait to ditch that stupid beret. We’re supposed to all wear the same uniform, but no two berets look alike. I wonder if I could get away with buying the service cap and using that instead of the beret with the Army Service Uniform?


42 posted on 06/13/2011 7:05:47 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

I remember yet another name but that happens when you’re part of the totem pole below ground.


43 posted on 06/13/2011 7:07:44 PM PDT by mcshot ("...of the people, by the people, for the people..." but we aren't "his people".)
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To: tillacum

Just Google: VA rapes.


44 posted on 06/13/2011 7:08:08 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: Leroy S. Mort
(or flight cap to us zoomies).

This blue suiter knew them by a less flattering name derived from a part of the female anatomy.

(No, not Deloris...)

45 posted on 06/13/2011 7:08:20 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: OL Hickory
same as VN....Commissioned Officer pilots got the medals (Not as often for the WO's they were considered working men too)...enlisted crew members got the...”Damned good shooting Boys!”

I flew a mission with a Headquarters Lt.Col. paper pusher ( he wanted to see what it was like)....Damned if he didn't get a purple heart from a piece of hot brass taking him in the chin...Not bitter...just tellin’ it like it is...Career Officers need PEZ!!....patriots do not..

46 posted on 06/13/2011 7:14:08 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Yo-Yo

When I got to Jump School an instructor asked, well screamed, ‘Why did you go Airborne?’. My reply was so I didn’t have to wear that damn c-cap, Sergeant!

Only time I saw the guy laugh the whole time I was there.


47 posted on 06/13/2011 7:14:50 PM PDT by 11Bush
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To: Liberty Valance
not bad..but why not a real one
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10th Cav “the Eyes and Ears of the 4 Div”...and to steal a fellow FReepers signature....Cav Ho!!.....Scouts Out!
48 posted on 06/13/2011 7:27:56 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: OL Hickory
Here is what they are talking about. Uploaded with ImageShack.us
49 posted on 06/13/2011 7:35:12 PM PDT by panthermom (Pray for my son in Aghanistan and all the troops!)
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To: cll

The beret’s not being “abandoned.” Who wrote this crap?

And for all you Shinseki naysayers—he also spearheaded Army transformation into the far superior BCT system we have today and he was one of the few who was correct on what it would take to win quickly and decisively in Iraq. He was also fired for it.


50 posted on 06/13/2011 7:36:10 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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