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Why Are So Many Jobs Going Unfilled? (If Unemployment is so high)
Washington Post ^ | 06/20/2011 | Robert Samuelson

Posted on 06/20/2011 4:46:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

One puzzle of this somber economy is the existence of unfilled jobs in the midst of mass unemployment. You might think (I did) that with almost 14 million Americans unemployed - and nearly half those for more than six months - that companies could fill almost any opening quickly. Not so. Somehow, there's a mismatch between idle workers and open jobs. Economists call this "structural unemployment."

Just how many jobs are affected is unclear; there are no definitive statistics. Economist Harry Holzer of Georgetown University thinks the unemployment rate might be closer to 8 percent than today's 9.1 percent if most of these jobs were filled. That implies up to 1.5 million more jobs. Economist Prakash Loungani of the International Monetary Fund estimates that 25 percent of unemployment is structural; that's more than 3 million jobs. A recent survey of 2,000 firms by the McKinsey Global Institute, a research group, found that 40 percent had positions open at least six months because they couldn't find suitable candidates.

Let's acknowledge two realities. First, though structural joblessness is important, the main cause of high unemployment remains the deep slump. In the recession, jobs dropped 20 percent in construction, 15 percent in manufacturing and 7 percent in retailing. Only a stronger economy can remedy this unemployment.

Second, a big economy like ours always has some vacancies. People quit or get fired. Hiring procedures grind slowly. Some highly specialized jobs are inherently hard to fill: say, a transportation engineer fluent in both Chinese and English (a real-life example).

Still, the job mismatch hobbles recovery and bodes ill. The harder it is for workers to find jobs, the longer they stay unemployed - and this, in turn, worsens their prospects. "Long-term unemployment sends a negative signal to employers: What's wrong with this person?" says Holzer.

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1 posted on 06/20/2011 4:46:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

oh I get it, it is not 0bama’s fault, it is the economy’s fault now! ;)


2 posted on 06/20/2011 4:50:53 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Perdogg

This prohlem is structural and has its root long before Obama became President. Obama simply excacerbated the problem.


3 posted on 06/20/2011 4:55:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, speaking for myself, if could be paid for 2 years+ to sit home and do nothing... why work?


4 posted on 06/20/2011 4:57:21 AM PDT by Reagan69 (First they came for Sarah Palin and conservatives said nothing...)
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To: Perdogg

It is the Socialist WAPO what would you expect. They are part of the Obamakazi attack destroying the country.


5 posted on 06/20/2011 4:59:36 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Perdogg

Precisely. I don’t like O’bammy, but to attribute the problems in our economic infrastructure prmarily to him is silly. Now, granted - he did douse the problems with Miracle-Gro...


6 posted on 06/20/2011 4:59:45 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bingo.

The dims set the table for unemployed folks to collect bennies for 99 weeks while at the same time regulating the bat snot out of American business making it very difficult to hire someone. One two punch. Then their media scratches their heads wondering why businesses won’t hire at baraq’s command.


7 posted on 06/20/2011 5:01:08 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: SeekAndFind

A major problem for my company is liberal education. We don’t need a womyns studies doctorate, we need electrical and chemical engineers and geophysicists. If you went to school for “Studies” degree or “Art appreciation”, then you wasted the money and time.

Education requirements now on many jobs are bullsquat unless it is medical, engineering, science, or some other higher order schooling. (I am sure there are more, but mostly I think college has become a wasteland of liberal thought and drinking/drugs and hookups.)

I see now most highschool kids can’t speak properly, spell, do basic math, nor write a sentence. College now is having to make up for that lack of education. And it is failing.


8 posted on 06/20/2011 5:04:37 AM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com)
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To: screaminsunshine

Yes, at the expense of bumping a DNC-media article I will say that many companies and recruiters post bogus job offerings to collect resumes in order to inflate their available worker pools.

Corporations will also post adverts for potential contract awards and count these unfulfilled positions towards the company’s size when bidding on contracts.

So yes, it’s BS but we expect that from the DNC-media.


9 posted on 06/20/2011 5:09:03 AM PDT by Justa
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve read several articles documenting that some companies won’t hire anyone whose been unemployed, or isn’t currently employed. That could account for some of the problem.

Another problem...wages have dropped. So some refuse jobs thinking that they’re being “low-balled” by the employer, when the truth is, the job that paid $50,000 a couple years ago, probably pays $40,000 (to a new employee) in today’s economy.


10 posted on 06/20/2011 5:11:05 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Perdogg

Ah...did you get to the bottom line of the article?

Whoa...it is a propaganda piece blaming businesses from everything of lack of workers skills to paid training to refusal to hire unqualified workers...

So, the stone is turning. No longer can they blame Bush, they won’t dare blame the 0bama depression...instead they are now beginning to blame the business owners...


11 posted on 06/20/2011 5:13:20 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The two primary, and probably REAL reasons for 'structual unemployment' is; 1) piss-poor parenting (developing a piss-poor work ethic) and 2) the dumbing-down of the basic education due to the NEA Union's protection of incompetent educators.

Payback's a bitch but it's here - and, sadly, it ain't gonna be easy to fix.

12 posted on 06/20/2011 5:15:16 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Lawyers and bureaucrats are another part of the problem. They for a company to jump thru endless hoops to do business, and those hoops get passed down to the worker as the business tries to avoid the lawyer and overcome the increased costs imposed by the bureaucrat.

My last job, when I started I loved it. I did my job, did it well, and walked out the door at night without worry. By the end I spent more time doing everything but my job with the rate nearly double than when I started.

I simply couldn’t adapt anymore to the shifting, confusing mirage of what the company wanted on a daily basis. I’m not knocking them because they were trying to survive the what had been imposed on them. Much of it was contradictory and not possible to reconcile.


13 posted on 06/20/2011 5:15:16 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Reagan69

Well, speaking for myself, if could be paid for 2 years+ to sit home and do nothing... why work?

Then after 2 years complain that you need an extension of, say, another 2 years.

Really, congress needs to take another look at NAFTA, CAFTA and SAFTA and repeal this idiotic legislation. They also need to enact an excise tax, on all good being imported to the US that we use to make in this country, to get the manufacturing back into the US.

That is the way to provide jobs for people out of work.


14 posted on 06/20/2011 5:16:47 AM PDT by chainsaw (I'd hate to be a democrat running against Sarah Palin.)
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To: Reagan69

I don’t know about you but the $250/week that Florida pays for unemployment doesn’t go very far.


15 posted on 06/20/2011 5:18:26 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dawn53

You are on the right track.

I believe the problem is MORE of the former — employers unwilling to hire anyone who has been unemployed for some time. This causes a very bad chain reaction and feedcs on itself. Employers won’t hire while the unemployed become essentially atrophied in their skills.

The so called problem of those who feel they are being low balled is not as prevalent as one might think. I know of MANY who are willing to work on the same job for much lower pay but still no offers.

It’s an employer’s market out there and they can hold out for as long as they want.


16 posted on 06/20/2011 5:20:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
Making more and more people in debt to the government is by design.
- Unemployment benefits
- Mortgages
- Student loans
And there are many more.
17 posted on 06/20/2011 5:21:14 AM PDT by ryan71 (Dear spell check - No, I will not capitalize the "m" in moslem!)
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To: King_Corey

You mean getting a degree in ebonics isn’t going to help me get a job as a rocket scientist? Who’d a thunk it?


18 posted on 06/20/2011 5:22:41 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: King_Corey
Education requirements now on many jobs are bullsquat unless it is medical, engineering, science, or some other higher order schooling. (I am sure there are more, but mostly I think college has become a wasteland of liberal thought and drinking/drugs and hookups.)

At middle-age I went back to school. None of my previous college counted, so I had to start all over. I didn't finish this time either...why? All the BS requirements that wasted my money and time, and the liberal indoctrination centers.

Even the science degrees require you to take 'studies' courses in unrelated fields. It helps to produce a well rounded college graduate.

19 posted on 06/20/2011 5:23:27 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can attest that there are lots of jobs for “Data Warehousing/Business Intelligence” experts. However the bar has been set so high that there are very few qualified people. For instance, a lot of companies are looking for Cognos developers, but unless you have worked for a company that used Cognos, there is virually no way you could ever learn it. IBM does not provide evaluation copies to consultants and there is almost no third party material of any use.

I don’t know why, but companies seem to have turned thierback on training. Guys who could write assembler or COBOL or Visual Basic could easily handle Cognos with a couple weeks of training.


20 posted on 06/20/2011 5:23:58 AM PDT by oncebitten (Re: Obama: "I could carve a better man out of a banana." T. Roosevelt)
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To: dawn53

I’ve read that too and it’s an asinine policy. You can be out the door before you know what hits you and finding a new job may be extremely difficult. So those 3 or 4 weeks you were in transition blackballs you? Ridiculous.

That forces people to take desperation jobs. Then of course that raises red flags on the resume, especially if it’s not in your field and you’ve been there a short time and are jumping ship. You also screw that employer when you ditch them after two months for the one you really wanted. Talk about a catch-22.

If the business wants them positions filled then it best compromise a bit. They must not want them filled that bad if their aren’t willing to hire a qualified person due to a technicality.


21 posted on 06/20/2011 5:30:09 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: SeekAndFind

typical liberal approach to a problem...they expect the world to change...rather than changing their policies that created the problem.


22 posted on 06/20/2011 5:33:06 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: SeekAndFind
The harder it is for workers to find jobs, the longer they stay unemployed

The inverse is also true.

The longer workers stay unemployed, the harder it is to find jobs.

That is why two years of unemployment benefits helps no one.

23 posted on 06/20/2011 5:36:02 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: oncebitten
I don’t know why, but companies seem to have turned thierback on training. Guys who could write assembler or COBOL or Visual Basic could easily handle Cognos with a couple weeks of training.

Many companies are run by accountants, which is always a bad idea unless it is an accounting firm. I have seen them deny people training, then turn around a pay their salary to learn by goofing off for six months. Then lay them off because they don't know the job. And hire more people.

This is the sort of thing that happens when the only cost you know is the one you can write down on paper. Training gives you an invoice. The cost of dismissing an experienced employee and hiring a far less efficient inexperienced employee doesn't.

However, even our colleges are turning out functionally illiterate people now. If you have interviewed people, you know.

24 posted on 06/20/2011 5:39:46 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: SeekAndFind
"Long-term unemployment sends a negative signal to employers: What's wrong with this person?" says Holzer.

What is wrong with them? They have not found a job.

25 posted on 06/20/2011 5:42:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas resident

Bump


26 posted on 06/20/2011 5:43:40 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dawn53

BINGO! The price I personally have paid for continued employment is a roughly 35% salary hit. I’ll be leaving as soon as I find something better, and I’m not afraid to pull up stakes after 30 years living where I do.


27 posted on 06/20/2011 5:44:48 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: Free Vulcan
That forces people to take desperation jobs. Then of course that raises red flags on the resume, especially if it’s not in your field and you’ve been there a short time and are jumping ship. You also screw that employer when you ditch them after two months for the one you really wanted. Talk about a catch-22.

Hiring and firing are expensive propositions these days. Even before all the new requirements from the government kick-in...like 0bamacare. What improves the chances for an potential employee to get hired off of the unemployment rolls?

First show me some guts. What do I mean by that? Apply anyway, send the resume anyway.

Second, give me a darn good cover letter. Unemployed? What are you doing in the meantime to keep up with the industry and maintain your credentials? It is not the employer's responsibility, it is your career choice...your responsibility.

Third, it is a matter of how you are marketing yourself and skills. You already have proven work experience. Demonstrate how you are 'working' your unemployment time.

If you want to exchange your skills for my prosperity, then show me the value in hiring you.

28 posted on 06/20/2011 5:48:31 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: EBH

Most people are putting out resumes before they are actually let go and spend their unemployment time putting out resumes and interviewing. However, if a business won’t hire me because I’ve been out of a job for month, even though I’ve been looking for a job even before my time was up, what else exactly am I supposed to do?

Let’s face it, most businesses to day are managed by lawyers and bean counters from the HQ thousands of miles away. Policy is policy and the local guys have no flexibility of decision making. I’m betting that’s where alot of this is coming from.


29 posted on 06/20/2011 6:00:07 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My Dad said there were jobs to be had during the great depression if you weren’t too fussy.


30 posted on 06/20/2011 6:04:01 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: tgusa

Business practices at most companies have not bought company loyalty...that’s for sure. Profits are being made on the backs of employees, and the company, as well as the employee, know that at this point in time, they have no other options, so they comply with pay cuts, increased hours and responsibilities, no raises or COL adjustments, etc.


31 posted on 06/20/2011 6:06:35 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s in large part geography.

Jobs are being created in red states. Red state unemployment is lower. Thus employers in red states have more competition for the people they hire. It’s called “success” and it means the economy in those areas is growing.

Jobs are being lost in blue states. Blue state unemployment is high. Terrible in fact. There aren’t employers in blue states because they’re moving to red states. Leaving lots of unemployment.

Eventually the unemployed in blue states who actually want jobs will move to the red states, leaving failed blue states with falling populations, and falling representation in elections.

Now. If we could agree as a nation we need to keep jobs in America, all this would begin to correct itself.


32 posted on 06/20/2011 6:11:27 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: oncebitten

We are living in a transitional time where the Education Industrial Complex will be the “gatekeeper” regarding who gets or does not get jobs.


33 posted on 06/20/2011 6:22:57 AM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proved to prevent government genocide. Protect yourself!)
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To: oncebitten

Let’s face it though, the COBOL guys are so old that the only code they write is how to put on their Depends.


34 posted on 06/20/2011 6:24:15 AM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proved to prevent government genocide. Protect yourself!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

California, which has about 10% of the U.S. population ranks last in high school education testing. LAST. The state is peppered with hi tech outfits, yet it often goes abroad to hire. Although it has such self-inflated universities as Cal-Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA, the education system can’t produce the technicians the state economy needs. Do you know why? Everyone on this site knows why.


35 posted on 06/20/2011 6:30:39 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: SeekAndFind
Many people have been supplementing their unemployment payments by working on the side. Ninety nine weeks plus gets you plenty of time to develop a side business for cash, and there is no enforcement. Employers can't pay enough to hire these people.

There's also very little vigilance to make sure people who are receiving unemployment are actually looking for a job.

36 posted on 06/20/2011 6:37:51 AM PDT by wayoverontheright (The Democratic Party is trying to end "the private sector as we know it".)
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To: EBH

I had a similar experience when I looked into getting a Computer Science degree. (I’m already employed in the computer field and make good money. I was looking to expand my skills)

The degree required me to waste a lot of time on stuff that was not pertinent to my goal. Being as I was already employed full time, I felt I didn’t have the time or energy for more than just computer classes.


37 posted on 06/20/2011 6:40:58 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Never underestimate the power of government to distort markets)
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To: SeekAndFind

0’CARE has a lot of them scared to hire. And they want a person with 20 years experience for beginners wages.

It is a buyers market on houses, and it is an employers market on employees. Those 50 and over are going to have a rough time finding jobs of the same standards as the ones they lost due to 0’hoover’s anti business policies.


38 posted on 06/20/2011 6:48:54 AM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: Melchior

Would be interested in your take on the reason.

I haven’t been a student in CA universities, except to have taken some classes on my own for personal interests.

As a current resident in the state, I would be tempted to attribute what you are describing to illegal immigration, though I am not sure I agree that CA universities are not capable of proving adequate technical training. The UC system is perhaps one of California’s remaining bits of former competence.

My best guess would be that many foreign students simply take their UC educations back to their home countries to compete against America.


39 posted on 06/20/2011 6:49:38 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: oncebitten
I can attest that there are lots of jobs for “Data Warehousing/Business Intelligence” experts. However the bar has been set so high that there are very few qualified people.

I think it's a direct result of the old adage "Adding people to a late software project makes it later." Rather than bringing in a candidate who is not a 100% match, the team just pulls more overtime rather than dealing with the distraction of training. And since just about every project is always late, they never fix the structural problem of having too few talented developers on staff - they rely on the two or three veteran "geniuses" to pull off everything on time.

Also, business intelligence is difficult to hire for, because HR gets caught up in matching capital letters they don't understand (C++, C#, SQL) when what is really needed is someone who can conceptualize business problems and their technical solutions. There just aren't that many of those people, which is why job postings these days are almost always asking for someone with dozens of capital letters and 3-5 years of experience rather than the 20 year veteran who very often turns out to be a career office politician with a limited ability to learn. Add in the looming expense of ObamaCare, and it becomes clear why your corporate career is essentially over at 40 if you haven't jumped onto the management track.

40 posted on 06/20/2011 6:54:42 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan AtkNtinson)
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To: oncebitten
I can attest that there are lots of jobs for “Data Warehousing/Business Intelligence” experts. However the bar has been set so high that there are very few qualified people.

I think it's a direct result of the old adage "Adding people to a late software project makes it later." Rather than bringing in a candidate who is not a 100% match, the team just pulls more overtime rather than dealing with the distraction of training. And since just about every project is always late, they never fix the structural problem of having too few talented developers on staff - they rely on the two or three veteran "geniuses" to pull off everything on time.

Also, business intelligence is difficult to hire for, because HR gets caught up in matching capital letters they don't understand (C++, C#, SQL) when what is really needed is someone who can conceptualize business problems and their technical solutions. There just aren't that many of those people, which is why job postings these days are almost always asking for someone with dozens of capital letters and 3-5 years of experience rather than the 20 year veteran who very often turns out to be a career office politician with a limited ability to learn. Add in the looming expense of ObamaCare, and it becomes clear why your corporate career is essentially over at 40 if you haven't jumped onto the management track.

41 posted on 06/20/2011 6:54:48 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan AtkNtinson)
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To: Chickensoup

True that, I was trying to come up with valid examples. I’d say HTML coders, but I don’t think they are interested in the gory details of BI type stuff.


42 posted on 06/20/2011 6:57:18 AM PDT by oncebitten (Re: Obama: "I could carve a better man out of a banana." T. Roosevelt)
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To: King_Corey

My husband retired 7 yrs ago from teaching electronics/computers at a community college. The first thing he had to do was retrain students in the math that they failed to learn in K-12. Most couldn’t even read a ruler. Only the foreign students were up on Math skills, and did the best in his classes. And all could speak excellent English.

A lot of jobs do not require a college education. Vo-Tech training would be a better choice for this batch of HS grads.

Keeping the serfs under educated makes them easier to control. Simple logic.


43 posted on 06/20/2011 6:59:09 AM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: dawn53

BINGO, especially if you are 50+.


44 posted on 06/20/2011 7:00:41 AM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: oncebitten

IMHO HTML is more marketable on a resume for an applicant, but at the same time rather simpler to outsource.

BI is more app-specific and a bit more stable.

Both are important skills to have.


45 posted on 06/20/2011 7:01:23 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
You mean getting a degree in ebonics isn’t going to help me get a job as a rocket scientist?


46 posted on 06/20/2011 7:04:45 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Free Vulcan

A college student who went to school fully on the government dime...won’t be hired by me.

An unemployed person who got all their job training compliments of their previous employer...won’t be hired by me.

The person who demonstrates they are willing to invest in themselves and their future...that is the person I want to sit down and talk too.


47 posted on 06/20/2011 7:04:53 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I’m a recruiter at a huge software company based in the Bay area. We have far more open reqs than we can fill. Almost every new person we hire is employed and we’re luring him/her away. If they’re unemployed, it’s because they just came off contract or just recently got laid off.

If anyone wants to ask me any questions or to dispel any myths, feel free to fire away.


48 posted on 06/20/2011 7:16:24 AM PDT by Rocky Mountain High
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To: dawn53
Another problem...wages have dropped. So some refuse jobs thinking that they’re being “low-balled” by the employer, when the truth is, the job that paid $50,000 a couple years ago, probably pays $40,000 (to a new employee) in today’s economy.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a very strong, accurate answer in this statement!

And it isn't just a "low-balling" issue; to many it is a quality of life issue! Let me explain. When the dot-com bubble burst, I know many programmers and engineers who simply did not have the college degree to go with their skill sets. At that time, companies started ditching "skills" for sheep-skins (because a newly hired college graduate was a cost-savings when compared to an engineer with eight years seniority)! As such, many of these very smart, knowledgeable persons were making $100K a year - without degrees - but their lifestyle was more like $250K a year (hey "living large" was HUGE back then)! As such, many of them simply refused to find a job paying less than $90-100K!

Their quality of life simply did not let them see the forest for the trees. As such, I know of five personal friends who lost EVERYTHING due to their refusal to simply scale back and get back to the basics in their lives! I see this happening right now! I know people who are praying for (and expecting) a "main street" stimulus, instead of finding a job or two to hold you over until the economy pulls out of this stall which Captain Obama refuses to acknowledge!
49 posted on 06/20/2011 7:25:48 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: arderkrag

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2737109/posts

The news stories are out Journ-O-list style saying there are good jobs, but Americans are not trained enough for them. If only there were some Obama-type training program for Insta-Engineers! There would be no unemployment and everyone would have good paying jobs! Watch out people, Obama is trying to shove another ‘stimulus’ down our throats. And, since it will have the word, ‘education’ in the title, it is probably just another stupid program to refill bankrupt overpaid and overbenefitted teacher’s union retirement plans.


50 posted on 06/20/2011 7:50:35 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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