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Housing vouchers a golden ticket to pricey suburbs
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Posted on 06/26/2011 1:24:04 PM PDT by bigtoona

CHARLOTTE — It was clear that Liza Jackson’s luck had changed when she drove her pearl-white Dodge sedan, the one with the huge pink plastic eyelashes over the headlights, into Pinebrook, an eight-year-old subdivision where residents tend to notice cars with huge pink eyelashes.

“There goes the neighborhood,” one homeowner said when she heard that her potential new neighbor had a federal housing voucher known as a Section 8.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: corruption; democrats; economy; fraud; gettohood; ghetto; govtabuse; hopeychangey; housing; liberalism; obamaville; redistribution; section8; welfarestate
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She can afford to ship her car and dogs FROM HAWAII TO THE US, and live in a hotel in Charlotte and she needs government help. WOW.

Love this remark in the article

....In the recession-era economy, the voucher is becoming a golden ticket to almost anywhere, a point hardly lost on Liza Jackson, whose cellphone was now ringing Lil Wayne.

“Yes?” she said, answering in the prim manner she described as her “white voice.” “I had called about the four-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath? Yes. Liza. Like Minnelli.”

1 posted on 06/26/2011 1:24:05 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: bigtoona

Her cell phone has a ringtone for the rapper Little Wayne????

I can see why some might think there goes the neighborhood. Nothing personal against her, but she has some characteristics of people who are “ghetto”.


2 posted on 06/26/2011 1:26:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: bigtoona

She has a “white voice”?????

She better watch out. She will lose her street cred if she be acting white.


3 posted on 06/26/2011 1:27:13 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Nothing to see here, Citizen. Just redistributing the wealth. Now...shut up and get to work so you can pay your taxes.


4 posted on 06/26/2011 1:27:46 PM PDT by hal ogen ( of Rights.)
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To: bigtoona
What does my government do for me? Ever? Does it protect the borders and keep out an army of invading Mexicans? No. Does it protect me from crime? No. I get nothing of value from my government. And why? Because I am hard-working and productive. That's my mistake. That's why I get screwed.

The parasites have it figured out. The less value you offer, the more goodies the government will give to you.

And how long can that game last?

5 posted on 06/26/2011 1:28:15 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: bigtoona
I wonder how many of these idiots who push the D-Button every election realize how Section 8 was created and who created it. It's a Democratic Program designed to destroy middle class neighborhoods. Some people who object to section 8 and believe it to be outrageous are still voting for the party that created Section 8.

Most people still cannot associate cause with effect.

Section 8 housing ought to be eliminated entirely. It's done nothing but destroy good neighborhoods.
6 posted on 06/26/2011 1:29:31 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: bigtoona
“It’s guaranteed money,” said David Benham, who owns several rental properties and is a founder of the Benham REO Group, which sells bank foreclosures to investors in 35 states. “It has a great accountability program with the renters. I love Section 8.

Spending problem within the U.S. government?

Blasphemy!! /s

7 posted on 06/26/2011 1:31:05 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ClearCase_guy

What you said. After reading the 2 out of 3 pages of that article that the WaPo allowed me to read, I am too busy having a stroke to make up my own response. Just damn.


8 posted on 06/26/2011 1:38:12 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: bigtoona

Her “vouchre” is $1032 per MONTH!

JUST THE VOUCHER.

Then unemployment, food stamps, welfare for the little no-daddy baby, - then subsidized healthcare, - who knows what else?

OOOPs - almost forgot - at tax time - child credits and kickbacks - another few $thousand that tax PAYERS are limited on.


9 posted on 06/26/2011 1:38:13 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: hal ogen

how did the writer know that someone in the
neighborhood said “there goes the neighborhood?”
is that the type of comment you volunteer
to a washington post reporter?
because they’ll be so sympathetic?
i imagine writer made that up. by the
way, my community consists of expensive
and nice homes surrounded by apartments
that were overbuilt in last three decades. they are
now filled with section 8 inhabitants and illegal immigrants.
the level of crime has gone exploded from almost nothing
to nonstop.


10 posted on 06/26/2011 1:41:54 PM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: truthguy

Fannie Mae to Rent out Homes Instead Foreclosing

Thousands of borrowers on the verge of foreclosure will soon have the option of renting their homes from Fannie Mae, under a policy announced Thursday.

The government-controlled company, through its new “Deed for Lease” program, will allow borrowers to transfer ownership to Fannie Mae and sign a one-year lease, with month-to-month extensions after that.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2009-11-05-fannie-rent-not-foreclose_N.htm

Government controlled rental properties? Isn’t that what section 8 housing is already?

The main facet is it allows Fannie and Freddie to maintain the fictitious value of the house, and not write it down, which adds fuel to the economic collapse of housing and lending for housing.

Obamavilles - the new Hoovervilles !


11 posted on 06/26/2011 1:44:52 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: bigtoona

Another “it’s time for pitchforks and torches” moment.
Disgusting.


12 posted on 06/26/2011 1:45:05 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: bigtoona

>>....In the recession-era economy, the voucher is becoming a golden ticket to almost anywhere, a point hardly lost on Liza Jackson, whose cellphone was now ringing Lil Wayne. “Yes?” she said, answering in the prim manner she described as her “white voice.”

Cool! I have a “white voice”. Can I get a magic ticket and free cell phone?


13 posted on 06/26/2011 1:46:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: gussiefinknottle

In my area their is very little section 8 housing. From the small amount of section 8 housing, you can tell the difference just form driving by. They look run down compared to residences where people pay the rent/mortgage out of their own pockets.

I say go by that house in a few months and compare it to the others.


14 posted on 06/26/2011 1:47:22 PM PDT by matt04
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To: gussiefinknottle

In my area their is very little section 8 housing. From the small amount of section 8 housing, you can tell the difference just form driving by. They look run down compared to residences where people pay the rent/mortgage out of their own pockets.

I say go by that house in a few months and compare it to the others.


15 posted on 06/26/2011 1:47:33 PM PDT by matt04
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To: bigtoona

In the 90s, HUD sued my community to force us to accept “scatter site” housing. Under duress, 23 single family homes were purchased and designated section 8 housing. we were called racists for objecting.

As we predicted, the houses are now abandoned eyesores, having been trashed by the welfare tenants.


16 posted on 06/26/2011 1:48:53 PM PDT by y6162
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To: bigtoona

Many new apartment projects use HUD financing (which is a slightly lower rate). In return the owners agree to occupy a percentage of the units with section 8 (I think its 5%).

Around 7 years ago, a complex was built near where I work...in order to fill it up, they took on 20% section 8 tenants.

Every day, as I come and go, I either see shirtless fellas hanging out in the stairwells, with ‘combat bottles’ of beer...or a police car parked at the office.

Shockingly, the owners recently went bankrupt, and a bank now owns the mess.


17 posted on 06/26/2011 1:49:21 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: bigtoona

I knew the government would become the largest landlord in the country.

Sadly, many people are starting to say “If you can’t beat them, join them”. But it won’t be long before there’s not enough to go around.

Does this article ever say how she makes a living? Is she going to be a banker in Charlotte? Does she have a job yet?


18 posted on 06/26/2011 1:51:19 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

Baraq’s people.
Living the good life!


19 posted on 06/26/2011 1:51:39 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: GnuHere

Heres a link to the printable version of the article if anyone is having problem seeing page 3

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/housing-vouchers-a-golden-ticket-to-pricey-suburbs/2011/06/23/AGDNc7kH_print.html


20 posted on 06/26/2011 1:51:50 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: Dilbert San Diego

<< she has some characteristics of people who are “ghetto” >>

That’s for sure.

Vouchers, whether for house renters or schools, are a bad idea. Yes, of course, give ghetto people food stamps or low-income housing if they need it. But for God’s sake, don’t give ghetto people the funds to invade surburban neighborhoods.

Why, on the taxpayer dime, should we screw up surburban neighborhoods?

Yet another terrible idea from Mr. Sunshine and Cookies, Jack Kemp. This love-the-poor Republican invented compassionate conservatism before President Bush took the idea and blew a budget gasket.


21 posted on 06/26/2011 1:53:24 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: bigtoona

From the article: “It’s guaranteed money,” said David Benham, who owns several rental properties and is a founder of the Benham REO Group, which sells bank foreclosures to investors in 35 states. “It has a great accountability program with the renters. I love Section 8. I wish every one of my properties was Section 8.”

Any bets that Mr. David Benham probably calls himself a conservative Republican too? The hypocrisy by some who call themselves conservative goes beyond the pale when they are milking the public dole themselves. They are socialists just as bad as the recipients getting their check.


22 posted on 06/26/2011 1:53:29 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

And we, the working class have to be year long super-accountant in order to survive harassment by the IRS. Makes me mad as hell to see these freefreebees being handed out to the gimme class, and they just go to instatax for their e-handout.


23 posted on 06/26/2011 1:53:53 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: bigtoona

The house across the street is available for rent again. The last neighbor was okay. Before that a parole officer. Before that gang bangers. Baby mama gang banger let her barely-walking baby run loose at 2:00 in the morning while she’s doin’ it with her latest dog in the front seat of his Caddy. When it looked like they were moving out, I called the rental company to verify it. I said, “Just tell me they’re leaving. Lie to me.” It turns out they were jumping rent. I broke out in hives. Every time I would call the police I’d let a lecture about their rights. We don’t have rights. We’re white.


24 posted on 06/26/2011 1:54:21 PM PDT by Excellence
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I can see why some might think there goes the neighborhood.

In many cases this is exactly what has happened. The government moves Section 8 residents into nice neighborhoods. Then mama and daughter's roster of baby daddies move in. Followed by their "crew" of homeboys and homegirls (and the feral kids they've spawned). Loud music accompanied by 3:00 am driveway basketball games, fighting, parties, car break-ins, garage thefts, thugs walking abreast down the street blocking traffic, malt liquor bottles in the unkept yards, squad cars appearing more frequently, and on and on.

And there went the neighborhood.

25 posted on 06/26/2011 1:54:51 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: bigtoona

I need a house. How do I get one of these vouchers? Do you get a Water Buffalo and rice paddie as well? I know it’s not saying much, but Water Buffalo are a lot smarter than the people running this country these days.


26 posted on 06/26/2011 1:55:19 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: bigtoona

Living in a nicer neighborhood is something people EARN. For the government to dump less than responsible people in an area where residents have worked to have a nice, safe place to live is beyond outrageous.


27 posted on 06/26/2011 1:58:08 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: bigtoona

How much longer are taxpayers in North Dakota or Texas going to pay for stuff like this? I defy anyone to explain to me how this program makes any sense.


28 posted on 06/26/2011 1:58:39 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (We .. have a purpose .. no longer to please every dictator with a vote at the UN. PM Harper)
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To: Terry Mross

According to what I have read, once you get the voucher, you have 5 YEARS to find a 30 hour a week job to Qualify. This is after you get your voucher.

The kicker is that the Charlotte housing authority won’t kick you out or stop your money if you either don’t get a job or work less than 30 hours a week. Its basically a lifetime benefit!!


29 posted on 06/26/2011 1:58:41 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: bigtoona

Well, well, well. And people wonder why we are broke as we hand out 3 bdr, 2 bth houses to welfare recipients.


30 posted on 06/26/2011 1:58:53 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: truthguy

Section 8 should be eliminated because there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the feds the power to rob me at gun point in order to give a house to a leach.


31 posted on 06/26/2011 2:00:40 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Yeah this social munificence was a nuisance before we went broke. Now it’s killing the country.


32 posted on 06/26/2011 2:00:58 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: ClearCase_guy

No. I get nothing of value from my government. And why? Because I am hard-working and productive. That’s my mistake. That’s why I get screwed.
///
great post!

...my Boss IS disabled. He could be sitting home all day. but he’s a libertarian with principles.

...and i’m a single Father with full-custody and an underwater mortgage. ...but i’m paying for HER voucher?!?

but as you said, it can’t last forever. they can’t sustain this even if they take 100% in taxes.
...it’s going to be an interesting decade...


33 posted on 06/26/2011 2:01:08 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Gena Bukin

“In many cases this is exactly what has happened. The government moves Section 8 residents into nice neighborhoods. Then mama and daughter’s roster of baby daddies move in. Followed by their “crew” of homeboys and homegirls (and the feral kids they’ve spawned). Loud music accompanied by 3:00 am driveway basketball games, fighting, parties, car break-ins, garage thefts, thugs walking abreast down the street blocking traffic, malt liquor bottles in the unkept yards, squad cars appearing more frequently, and on and on.

And there went the neighborhood. “

That’s exactly what happens. I’m for helping those in need, but not when they aren’t interested in helping themselves and being respectful of others. Too many are lazy slovenly trash who will surround themselves with like kind and who will sink any good neighborhood. You’ll see this happen regularly in good middle class neighborhoods but not in neighborhoods where the ruling elite live who get to make these decisions that ruin other’s lives. It never happens in their neighborhood.


34 posted on 06/26/2011 2:01:12 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Gena Bukin

I swear some of those ghetto cruiser vehicles have the sound way too loud. You can hear the thumping of the bass beat. Sometimes the thumping is so loud, you can see the car vibrate.

I hate to stop next to one of those at a traffic light. The music and bass beat is so overpowering that I can’t hear my own car radio.


35 posted on 06/26/2011 2:02:06 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: heye2monn

“Yes, of course, give ghetto people food stamps or low-income housing if they need it.”
I totally disagree. Give them nothing.


36 posted on 06/26/2011 2:03:49 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: bigtoona
Jackson realized that her own good fortune was partly due to such misery, but mostly, she and Sheena were thinking about a huge walk-in closet they’d seen.

“You know how many shoes you can put in there?” Sheena said. “I’m trippin’.”

Don't have a walk-in closet or enough shoes to fill one, but then again, I have taxes to pay.

37 posted on 06/26/2011 2:04:26 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Good manners never go out of style)
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To: bigtoona

This is why the grassroots rebellion has to start at the municipal and county level.

How to get good candidates to run at this level? I don’t know.


38 posted on 06/26/2011 2:09:56 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: bigtoona

JUST CURIOUS - How do people with jobs & ‘children’ of working age qualify for Section 8 housing, or any subsidies?


39 posted on 06/26/2011 2:10:01 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: All

The people that live in our current subdivision (we’re moving in a few weeks) got hosed on this. They (developers/builders) had top allow for a certain percentage of “affordable housing” which was of course, subsidized by the taxpayers through grants and the other homeowners, through inflated prices.
Now, a house that sold for over $700,000 just a few years ago is only able to fetch maybe $400k while the welfare recipients get the benes of the burbs without all the hassles of paying for it. Meanwhile a lot of the homeowners are faced with paying down a mortgage on a house worth close to 40% less than they paid for it or just walking away. We’ve had quite a few foreclosures but the apartments/condos are close to 100% occupied.


40 posted on 06/26/2011 2:14:08 PM PDT by newnhdad
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To: bigtoona
As a small-time landlord, in over 30 years, I have never had a section 8 tenant mow the lawn, clean up the outside, or even water a flower bed.

OTOH, I have had plenty of damage inside, pit bull dogs, and wild kids damaging all property in sight.

You can take the tenant out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the tenant.

41 posted on 06/26/2011 2:18:08 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: heye2monn
"Yes, of course, give ghetto people food stamps or low-income housing if they need it.."

My, but aren't you generous with other peoples money? Who is going to take it from me? You?


42 posted on 06/26/2011 2:18:22 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I totally disagree. Give them nothing.
_______________________________________________

Agreed.

I we only we would give them nothing there would be a lot less of them.


43 posted on 06/26/2011 2:20:29 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: bigtoona

Think of it as school choice for homeowners, vouchers and all.


44 posted on 06/26/2011 2:23:41 PM PDT by Wolfie
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mark for later

Sec 8 sucks.

When the Calif housing authority started doing this in the 60’s, they called it “blockbusting,” and it was done intentionally and spitefully.


45 posted on 06/26/2011 2:24:37 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
It's the New "American Dream".....having your very own Section 8 Voucher.

The entire Federal Government is, in military terms, "Section 8".

46 posted on 06/26/2011 2:25:10 PM PDT by radioone
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To: bigtoona

“””But Jackson could well be Pinebrook’s salvation, a means by which landlords can rent an empty, crime-magnet of a house to a tenant with a steady, government-backed check.”””


From my personal experience Section 8 is a crime magnet for government backed drugusers to vandalize your property.

Homeowners beware. If a Section 8 tenant vandalizes your property, you pay the damages. If your property is vandalized by a street thug, your insurance company pays the damages.


47 posted on 06/26/2011 2:25:10 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: heye2monn

“Why, on the taxpayer dime, should we screw up suburban neighborhoods?”

Welcome to the Detroit suburbs.


48 posted on 06/26/2011 2:29:29 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberals who graduate from Ivy League schools are the dumbest people on the planet.)
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To: LADY J

1) You must be of Color
2) 1 kid (it gets better the more kids you have) — always zero baby daddies
3) work 15 hours a week at minimum wage

=Welfare Jackpot


49 posted on 06/26/2011 2:31:58 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: bigtoona
The purpose of Section 8 is to import Democrat voters into non-Democrat areas and swamp out their votes.
50 posted on 06/26/2011 2:33:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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