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Amazon terminates deal with 25,000 Calif. affiliates
The Orange County Register ^ | 6/30/2011 | Jan Norman

Posted on 06/30/2011 5:26:00 AM PDT by mort56

Gov. Jerry Brown has signed into law California’s tax on Internet sales through affiliate advertising which will immediately cut small-business website revenue 20% to 30%, experts say.

The bill, AB 28X, takes effect immediately. The state Board of Equalization says the tax will raise $200 million a year, but critics claim it will raise nothing because online retailers will end their affiliate programs rather than collect the tax.

Amazon has already emailed its termination of its affiliate advertising program with 25,000 websites

(Excerpt) Read more at jan.ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amazon; amazonsalestax; california; californiasalestax; internet; internetsalestax; taxes
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To: P-Marlowe

OK....so now all the affiliates run to Oregon?


51 posted on 06/30/2011 6:58:17 AM PDT by super7man
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To: Mad Dawgg
I actually made that up. Thanks for allowing me to pretend I'm clever this morning.

I blame the 100% daily value of B vitamins and "energy blend" in the Monster I was sipping on.

52 posted on 06/30/2011 6:58:32 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Well done!


53 posted on 06/30/2011 6:58:37 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: AAABEST
"I actually made that up. Thanks for allowing me to pretend I'm clever this morning."

Excellent, you should send such to one of the Online Quotes databases so you will get credit for such. It is a very "spot on" quote and I applaud your authorship of it! Well done!

54 posted on 06/30/2011 7:02:03 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Very cute! :-)

My husband and I shrugged a few years ago. The hassle with the dozens of taxes and literally hundreds of regulations, coupled with the puny take-home....well...we shrugged. We have enough, now to live reasonably comfortable. It was time to give it up.

55 posted on 06/30/2011 7:02:36 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: mort56
Board of Equalization

I'm not from CA, but I've never heard of this. Sounds like something out of 1984, or maybe the old Soviet Union.

56 posted on 06/30/2011 7:03:13 AM PDT by wbill
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To: super7man

You are correct and I’m going to plead lack of coffee. Have a great FReepin’ day!


57 posted on 06/30/2011 7:04:39 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
"Well done!"

Thanks...

Occasionally I can be clever but alas it is mostly by accident and not instead some focused brainstorming session...

58 posted on 06/30/2011 7:04:46 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: AAABEST

Hoo Haa! Good one.


59 posted on 06/30/2011 7:05:14 AM PDT by hfr ("Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD;" Psalms 33:12)
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To: super7man
Nice. Permission to steal this?

Well I'm using it right now to make FReepers think I'm good at making stuff up.

Once this thread has run its course it's all yours.

60 posted on 06/30/2011 7:06:25 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Mobties
I do the same thing whenever I drive through SC. It's foolish to drive miles and miles out of my way to save a couple of bucks, but if I know that I'm headed there anyway, I make sure that the tank is on "E" as I roll over the border.

NC just raised their gas tax another 2.5 cents. I think that they're trying to make sure people stay out of the state.

61 posted on 06/30/2011 7:07:10 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Wpin

You are correct as I should have expanded my comments to note the difference between static and dynamic evaluation of a proposal. Your comments include the dynamic effects that will result from the new law.


62 posted on 06/30/2011 7:07:25 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: super7man

That’s the beauty of Federalism. If you don’t like the laws in one state then move to another state. Competition between the states helps everyone.


63 posted on 06/30/2011 7:09:57 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: mort56
There are other tax loses for CA besides just the sales tax when Amazon terminates its CA affiliates.

Maybe 25,000 businesses closed & not paying business taxes.

All the sales taxes paid by these businesses in maintaining their business are gone.

With their income cut, that's 25,000 or more taxpayers paying less income tax.

Some people are out of a job, so unemployment & welfare costs increase.

Plus, all the people considering opening an Internet based business in CA are now rethinking that foolish idea. So, Brown & Co. not only reduced current tax revenues, but future revenues, too.

64 posted on 06/30/2011 7:10:14 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: woofer

You are correct for the reasons I noted in a response to another FReeper @ #62.


65 posted on 06/30/2011 7:10:23 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Mouton

look at the video again when he’s speaking.... he was blinking like crazy and looking away. It’s just really weird, he must be in a mess financially and needs some work in Hollyweird. That’s why most comedians are libs..... if they don’t toe the line.... no work.


66 posted on 06/30/2011 7:13:33 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Well done!

Apparently your post is just as popular. We should start a business - "Best Dawgg's Quips" or something.

We'll just be sure not to have a California address.

67 posted on 06/30/2011 7:14:49 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: P-Marlowe
I don't think you understand things right here. Amazon marketplace sellers in California who sell thought Amazon collect state sales tax. Amazon, which isn't in California, doesn't collect sales tax for products coming from another state. CA’s theory is that an affiliate, IE someone with an ad on their website who then collects a commission on sales, is now Amazon's point of presence and thus all sales must collect sales tax.

That theory is unconstitutional.

68 posted on 06/30/2011 7:15:54 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: bert

“Is that a merchant who uses the amazon platform to do business on the internet?”

Yup. I get a lot of books and movies thru Amazon; often you can get them cheaper thru the affiliates even with the “postage and handling” costs.

Hate to see it happen, but somebody has to stand up to this crap.


69 posted on 06/30/2011 7:17:41 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down!)
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To: wintertime
"My husband and I shrugged a few years ago. The hassle with the dozens of taxes and literally hundreds of regulations, coupled with the puny take-home....well...we shrugged. We have enough, now to live reasonably comfortable. It was time to give it up."

Most of my family shrugged. Sort of. We have a family owned business and took ourselves off the payroll. No more FICA taxes and contributions to Unemployment and Social Security and Workman's Comp contributions. My wife took a job with a Government Contractor and we are paying off all our debt (mostly business debt) in a rapid fashion. We already own all our property out right save for our twice yearly tax payments to the state.

Now we are working towards a very low financial profile where we spend and earn very little money yet maintain a robust lifestyle.

Our next move is a small farm near town so we can expand our gardening and can also maintain a few cows and pigs and chickens for food.

70 posted on 06/30/2011 7:20:16 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: MrB

Still not as good as The Greaseman referring to “Deliverance” as a training film in West Virginia.

:)


71 posted on 06/30/2011 7:23:02 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down!)
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To: mort56

IN N OUT Burger better start building more IN N OUT burgers in Texas because I foresee at least 25,000 Californians moving here sooner than later and probably a whole lot more.

I sure hope Togo’s Sandwich follows. And Pollo Loco too for that matter.


72 posted on 06/30/2011 7:27:03 AM PDT by JNRoberts
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To: Lou L
Is there any doubt, that as federal and state governments start seeing more companies flee rather than pay obscenely high taxes, some brilliant Democrat will propose a law to prevent companies from "escaping?"

like the NLRB tried to do to Boeing ? yeah. asshats showed all their cards.
73 posted on 06/30/2011 7:46:57 AM PDT by stompk
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To: mort56
Most of California's employment solution is to implement the “Cause Business to Flee Tax” whereby they don't have to deal with anymore “nasty” businesses causing global warming/global cooling/climate change/disruptification/mayonnaise induced heating and cooling.
It seems a little odd that they would want to tax a fairly low impact business like businesses on the Internet to leave, but all they know is TAX.

I suppose sanctuary cities cost a lot, what with the “free” money going to people who never paid in and scamming businesses that pay no taxes on the illegal aliens they hire. So they will make the Internet businesses pay.

Somehow, by eliminating most business by taxing and regulating it out of the state, this will encourage “green jobs.”

Rotsa Ruck.

74 posted on 06/30/2011 7:51:54 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: PATRIOT1876

Green as in the overgrowth of what had been office parking lots.


75 posted on 06/30/2011 7:54:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Travis McGee
*Choke that greedy evil rich goose! Get those golden eggs!
The fedgov ruins everything it touches*

The golden goose tastes delicious to a Democrat.

76 posted on 06/30/2011 7:55:53 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: wbill
Board of Equalization

I'm not from CA, but I've never heard of this. Sounds like something out of 1984, or maybe the old Soviet Union.

Apparently, one tax agency just isn't enough for California. It has two: the Board of Equalization for sales/use taxes and the Franchise Tax Board for income taxes.

77 posted on 06/30/2011 8:03:49 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Mobties
I have friends in New York state who will drive thirty miles or more just to buy gasoline in New Jersey where the gas taxes are much lower.

Or dive to Pennsylvania for cloths which are not taxed there.

78 posted on 06/30/2011 8:04:02 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

*“It’s been conquered by Mexico”
That’s a little over the top.*

Perhaps, it’s probably only 25 to 50% of it that has been conquered by Mexico.


79 posted on 06/30/2011 8:54:24 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; GrandJediMasterYoda

“It’s been conquered by Mexico”

That’s a little over the top.
///
yes. certainly.
...but not by much.

if Mexico sent an Army in, not shooting, just occupying,
of 50,000 and confiscated a few billion dollars,
this would be an intolerable act of war.

...so how about an invading army of millions,
that IS shooting and killing US Citizens on a daily basis?

“The state’s population includes 3.2 million illegal aliens — almost 24% of all illegal aliens in America — have chosen preferred domicile.

Despite its $26 billion budget deficit, the state spends $21.5 billion dollars annually subsidizing illegal alien health care, education, welfare, other state benefits and criminal justice. Every California native-born household chips in $2438 each year to help.

Unless you commit a violent felony, the state leaves you alone. “
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2741604/posts


80 posted on 06/30/2011 10:40:41 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Mobties

Big tax difference;

Gasoline Taxes by State (get out while you still can)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2741781/posts


81 posted on 06/30/2011 10:49:00 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: tomkat
Sure hope NewEgg opens a Texas office :-(

Be careful what you wish for, Texas was looking at taxing Amazon and the others as well, and there is still a lot going on behind the scenes. At one point Amazon was threatening to close their center here, and they are playing a dangerous game of chicken.

Texas has a very active lobbying group that is going after internet retailers, and it's not just the local shops, it's companies like Wal-Mart.
82 posted on 06/30/2011 10:55:46 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Will the last employed American Citizen in California please turn out the lights as you leave the state??


83 posted on 06/30/2011 12:14:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (You can only lead a lib to the Truth, you can't make it think...)
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To: Ditto
Or dive to Pennsylvania for cloths which are not taxed there.

Wetsuits;-)

84 posted on 06/30/2011 12:32:27 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: SoCal Pubbie
That’s a little over the top.

A little premature perhaps, but not by much
Over the top? Not at all.

85 posted on 06/30/2011 1:08:01 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: af_vet_rr
Thanks for that info .. it's been a couple months since the last order, but if memory serves the past few things from them (NE) have come from a distro site in Jersey .. unless I'm confused again and thinkin' of Amazon ..

(which happens occasionally these days .. lol/groan)

86 posted on 06/30/2011 1:43:13 PM PDT by tomkat (Palin/West '12)
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To: Publius6961
You know that's not true. Vast swaths of California, including where I live, are decidedly WHITE much less conquered by Mexico in any way, shape or from.
87 posted on 06/30/2011 2:01:45 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: mort56

With the passage of this law (and Amazon’s subsequent termination of California affiliates) 7-8% of my income has just been wiped out.

The state of California will get NO sales tax from Amazon, and because the California affiliates will get no more money from Amazon, their incomes will drop and the state will therefore collect less in income tax from them.

Another less-than-worthless action from a less-than-worthless legisature.


88 posted on 06/30/2011 2:10:41 PM PDT by feralcat
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To: Hoodat
The Anti-Dog-Eat-Dog Rule?

Bet on it. No more moving companies out-of-state. It's unfair to high-tax states, which have more human feeling for the common man. :)

89 posted on 06/30/2011 2:12:05 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan AtkNtinson)
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To: Lou L

“Is there any doubt, that as federal and state governments start seeing more companies flee rather than pay obscenely high taxes, some brilliant Democrat will propose a law to prevent companies from “escaping?””

Consider it done.

Boeing v. National Labor Relations Board.

I _do_ expect to see something like this in California within five years — both some kind of law intended to try to punish businesses from escaping, AND another law that tries to confiscate the wealth of individuals (Euro-Americans) escaping...

Just sayin’...


90 posted on 06/30/2011 2:38:24 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: Elendur

I completely believe it, the last time I was in LA was around 1979 and I went back a few months ago and all I can say is ho-ly eff-in WTF shiet fire save matches!!!! I live in Queens New York city, grew up here, and I thought HERE was out of control, especially with this thing we call a Mayor who actually encourages illegal migration, but LA is COMPLETELY insane!! It IS Mexico! Me and my brother were cruising thru East LA looking at each other like “How much DID we drink last night? Dude we crossed the border!! Shiet!!!” My god man, this country is just getting slowly eaten away.


91 posted on 06/30/2011 2:40:11 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Talk to me Hudson!)
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To: P-Marlowe; mort56

Amazon.com should have no sales tax protection that isn’t offered to every other business in California.

Since I want only sales taxes (and tariffs...sort of the same thing) and only those taxes at nation, state, and local levels, I must support fair, no-exceptions sales tax policy.

I want an end to income, property, capital gains, death, and all other forms of taxation other than sales taxes at every level of government.

It is the most fair form of tax, and it is graduated because those who buy more pay more, and it has every American participating in funding their government.


92 posted on 06/30/2011 7:55:36 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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