Skip to comments.Minnesota Government Shuts Down as Budget Talks Fail
Posted on 06/30/2011 10:37:49 PM PDT by matt04
Minnesota state government goes into shutdown as budget talks end without deal on $5B deficit.
Talks between Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton and top Republicans fell apart well before a midnight deadline. Dayton demanded tax increases on top earners, but the GOP refused.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Regarding the need for government charity forcing tax payers to provide that charity, you REALLY need to read “Not Yours to Give” from Col. Davy Crockett.
Charity is not government’s role. Charity is the Church’s roll. It comes from us, from the community, from the families. Government charity is largely mis-allocated. Church/community/family is not mis-allocated, and it even sometimes comes with strings attached and requires those receiving charity to change their behavior, behave responsibly, or give back in some manner.
Government charity does not. Government charity is a handout, and we see it doesn’t work - it doesn’t encourage responsibility, just a larger lust for more and more charity from the government.
Government should not be in the charity business. We want off the rails many decades ago in this regard.
Not Yours To Give
Or maybe I should have just pointed you here:
Read it all please.
That’s all these libs ever want to do. :(
It’s too bad terrorism can’t be taxed - then the left would be all over it.
Oh there are people who would care alright - - AND complain about it!
In late April the day after tornadoes devastated northern Alabama and power was out across most of it I saw people going to their mailboxes looking for that days mail. A friend of mine works for the Post Office (those who could make it in were required to report to work) told me that people were phoning and stopping by her location complaining about how they didn't get their mail.
Hello you Morons! People have died, neighborhoods destroyed, TVA hit, most of the area didn't have any power whatsoever (and we didn't know when we were getting it back) and you are upset about not getting mail delivery!??!!!
WELCOME TO FREE REPUBLIC’S MINNESOTA PING LIST!
148 MEMBERS AND GROWING...!
FREEPMAIL ME IF YOU WANT ON OR OFF THIS LIST!
Unfortunately, that’s a pretty big base, and the ‘rats will get them to the polls.
Good on the Minnesota Republicans for sticking to their guns!
upset about not getting mail delivery!??!!!
It’s probably because they rememeber a time in this
nations history when the mail WOULD go through, hell
or high water.
The fact is, Republican taxpayers feed money at gunpoint to Democrat politicians so they can use that money to buy the votes of their government-addicted base. If government “shuts down”, then it is reasonable to assume the Democrat politicians are in no position to buy votes.
Anyway, it’s hilarious how, when the government “shuts down”, there always seems to be a way to keep “essential services” running. It makes me want government to shut down forever, with only “essential services” continuing. Privatize everything else.
He talked about “the base” of their party, he wasn’t painting everyone with that brush.
The aspect of generalizations being applied across the board 100% confuses the issues and is totally misused in these arguments.
There are people that require safety nets. That’s probably tenths of a percent. Then there are the base of bums, deadbeats, and parasites. Big Difference.
We now have 3, count em, 3 presidential candidates from MN. 2 too many, if you ask me. Wonder how this fight will affect Pawlenty, Bachmann, and McCotter? I predict we’re going to hear a lot of boring questions from the MSM about MN finances in future.
Good for the MN GOP holding their ground.
...Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton... demanded tax increases on top earners...Maybe he could cut the prison drama programs, although I know that the Demwits are Drama Queens...
The linked story tells me that the Republicans control the legislature, that the Governor is a democrat, that they disagree over the budget, and that the resulting impasse is shutting down the government.
The question is, did the Republican legislature pass a budget or not? That is, is MN government shutting down because the legislature hasn't done its job, or because the Governor vetoed the budget and is holding everything hostage to extort higher taxes?
If the Repubs have passed a budget and the Governor has vetoed it, the shutdown is on his head, period.
And what about all 10,000 of those lakes? Vaporized?
Alliance for a Better Minnesota is funded heavily by Dayton money, notably from one of Dayton's ex-wives, Alida Messinger.
. . .Despite what you may have heard, a government shutdown is not necessary. The Republican budget as passed by the Minnesota Legislature in May funded government operations, providing an increase in spending. Gov. Mark Dayton vetoed it.
At $34 billion, the Republican budget is the largest in state history. It is $4 billion more than the state raised in revenue for the current biennium. But it's not enough for Gov. Dayton. Gov. Dayton wants to raise taxes to grow government.
The problem with Gov. Dayton's budget is that it does not exist. Since revising his tax proposal a month ago, the governor has failed to identify how he would spend the $1.8 billion in additional revenue. Thus far he has not proposed any reductions in spending to close the budget gap. Even with his increased tax burden on small business owners and job providers, Gov. Dayton still doesn't have the money to fund his proposed spending.
His non-existent plan isn't anything he or his administration is apparently worried about. During a recent Commission on Planning and Fiscal Policy meeting, the Minnesota Management and Budget Commissioner said a plan did not exist. That simple statement defines the governor's. He has no plan. He just wants to raise taxes, and he is getting ready to shut down government in a careless attempt to force the issue.
The Pioneer Press called Dayton’s negotiating stance “political hostage-taking”. Which, of course, it is.
This man has had a balanced budget sitting on his desk for TWO MONTHS and did not sign it. The Republican Legislature did its job.
And to the poster who asked if we’d mind if we could only get drivers’ licenses Monday through Thursday, the answer is yes, I’d mind, because my state taxes pay for service.
The analogy of a natural disaster does not apply here because there isn’t a natural disaster. What we have is a petulant child posing as a governor who is holding his breath in the hopes Minnesota will turn blue.
I don't disagree with your statement, but this line of thinking doesn't help matters either. Charity isn't something the government should be involved with, that is the providence of family, friends, churches, etc. Charity isn't taking money from one group and giving it to another.
How-——————noble of you. The poster was talking about bums, deadbeats and parasites who steal trillions of dollars annually via fraudulent claims.
Of course there are truly needy people out there. The challenge is to find ways to help them in the short term and get them working in the longer term. Inherent in this task is to return responsibility for them to the communities in which they reside. This promotes accountability. If those communities are dysfunctional then these people need to be relocated to places where there is work. If they refuse they get no money. Certtainly they could displace the illegals working in this country. It really is as simple as that.
Compassion is not rewarding slothful, albeit criminal, behavior. Compassion is getting these people to work, dontcha think?
No I don't asshole, you need to read what I wrote for what it said.
There truly are people who warrant charity being in need at no fault of their own; it's just that we shouldn't be using an armed monopolist government agency to dispense said "charity" by means of coercion.
ALL government is coercive. My post not only covers the feds, but also state and local government, where your "Not Yours to Give" argument does not apply.