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Interviews with Andrea Rossi and Alexandros Xanthoulis of Defkalion
E-Cat World ^ | July 1 2011 | E-Cat World Admin

Posted on 06/30/2011 11:28:12 PM PDT by Kevmo

This is being reported by several sources.

Interviews with Andrea Rossi and Alexandros Xanthoulis of Defkalion Featured by admin Following Defkalion’s recent press conference Andrea Rossi and Alexandros Xanthoulis of Defkalion were interviewed by representatives from the Italian engineering company Phizero. Rossi’s interview is rather short, but he discusses his contract with the University of Bologna. Xanthoulis answers questions about Defkalion’s operations. You can see the video here. Some of the points that Xanthoulis makes are: Defkalion will not sell it’s products for military use. Defkalion is in negotiations to sell products to the United States (right now Ampenergo has exclusive rights to the US market). Defkalion is currently preparing industrial E-Cats and is currently designing a 3.4 MW plant for industrial use.Home based E-Cats will also be produced at lower power levels. A separate distribution network will be required to install and service E-Cats — Defkalion will be only producing the E-Cats. They have 12 levels of security built in, and they will try to protect the trade secrets, but Xanthoulis is expecting that people will copy the technology. They are selling it cheaply to provide a disincentive for piracy (as well as because they have “social ideas”.

Also being reported here:

http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/interviews-with-rossi-and-xanthoulis/

Interviews with Rossi and Xanthoulis June 29, 2011 by Ivy Matt

Nearly a week after Defkalion Green Technologies S.A. held its press conference in Palaio Faliro, there appears to be no mention of the event in the mainstream media, perhaps the nearest thing being mentions of Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat in the comments to a CNET article on high-energy plasma fusion at MIT. Even DGT itself, which promised a video of the event with English subtitles on Monday or Tuesday of this week, has failed to deliver so far. The company has, however, recently released some information regarding press conference attendance on its website.

Meanwhile, Phizero, the producer of “Low Energy Nuclear Revolution”, has released a new video containing footage of interviews with Andrea Rossi and DGT board member Alexandros Xanthoulis, conducted after the press conference:

The first interview, with Andrea Rossi, is very brief, and mostly concerns his research contract with the University of Bologna. According to Rossi the research will be conducted over two years, with the first results expected in one year. The study will consist of research and development to improve the E-Cat technology, and will involve running the reactor for 24 hours a day over a period of six months. Afterwards a metallurgical analysis will be conducted to examine the transmutation of the metals in the device.

The interview with Alexandros Xanthoulis revealed some new information. Among the highlights:

DGT is in discussions [with Ampenergo?] to sell their products in the USA. DGT’s investors are a group of friends of the Greek diaspora who attended the same university in Canada. The 5 to 30 kW modules are all the same size, the only difference being the pressure, so they will cost the same. The 1 MW reactor is now being tested, and DGT is working on producing a 3 MW reactor. DGT is only producing the units, not distributing or marketing them. It will take five years of production for DGT to meet the demand of the orders they’ve received so far. Every six months the units will be serviced by technicians employed by the distributors, but trained by Defkalion. The reactors have twelve levels of security; nevertheless, somebody will break the security sooner or later. Defkalion is depending primarily on legal protections and the low cost of the units to discourage competitors from producing Hyperion knock-offs. Thanks to Phizero for the video!


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1 posted on 06/30/2011 11:28:18 PM PDT by Kevmo
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links

http://vimeo.com/25785236

http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/interviews-with-rossi-and-xanthoulis/

http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/07/01/interviews-with-andrea-rossi-and-alexandros-xanthoulis-of-defkalion/


2 posted on 06/30/2011 11:30:08 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Lancey Howard; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; ...

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3 posted on 06/30/2011 11:31:15 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo

Please add me to the ping list. Thanks.


4 posted on 06/30/2011 11:40:16 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Kevmo

I dunno. I keep hearing “Tono-Bungay... Tono-Bungay...” in the back of my mind. But I can’t see how they can think they’d ever get away with it.


5 posted on 06/30/2011 11:44:11 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Kevmo
The 5 to 30 kW modules are all the same size, the only difference being the pressure, so they will cost the same.

The reactors have twelve levels of security; nevertheless, somebody will break the security sooner or later

Defkalion is depending primarily on legal protections and the low cost of the units to discourage competitors from producing Hyperion knock-offs.

My instinctive scam-o-meter is starting to inch upward again and so is my Baffle-Them-With-BS meter.

6 posted on 07/01/2011 12:01:41 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun

My scam-o-meter keeps wavering.

But Rossi is working with the University of Bologna, the oldest university in Europe. If anyone has a reputation to lose, it is them.

Here’s where I am starting to get another sense that this is real. Let’s say you were Rossi, that you came up with a catalyst for LENR reactions which heretofore had been very difficult to replicate. Would you act any differently than he has?


7 posted on 07/01/2011 12:13:10 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: The Cajun

It will take five years of production for DGT to meet the demand of the orders they’ve received so far.
***If this is a scam, it’s a huge one.


8 posted on 07/01/2011 12:15:02 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo
The first interview, with Andrea Rossi, is very brief, and mostly concerns his research contract with the University of Bologna. According to Rossi the research will be conducted over two years, with the first results expected in one year.

From the Krivit article:

However, the university had not signed a contract with Rossi at that time, and Rossi has yet to pay anything to the university, as Paolo Capiluppi, the head of the Department of Physics at the University of Bologna, told me in a phone call on June 24.

Rossi has history and the University of Bologna has history, know which one I believe more.
I seriously wonder about the depth of his involvement with the university.

Lots of statements "According to Rossi" not too many "According to the University of Bologna".
Just keeping Rossi's past accomplishments in mind :^)

9 posted on 07/01/2011 12:54:29 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Kevmo

I sent you the link to the Krivit article. Did you get a chance to read it? Not good for Rossi.


10 posted on 07/01/2011 12:58:36 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: The Cajun
so they will cost the same.

... to manufacture, perhaps?

11 posted on 07/01/2011 1:00:56 AM PDT by glock rocks (Crouch as low as possible to the floor and cover your head with your hands.)
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To: glock rocks
... to manufacture, perhaps?

Lots of *Perhaps* going on with the E-Cat lately.
Don't really like *Perhaps* as a confidence builder :^)

12 posted on 07/01/2011 1:16:15 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: saganite; The Cajun

“I sent you the link to the Krivit article. Did you get a chance to read it? Not good for Rossi.”

On the credibility of “Steven B. Krivit”. Note the vast technical credentials he has:

http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/bio/CV-KrivitStevenB.pdf


13 posted on 07/01/2011 3:53:20 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: The Cajun
"However, the university had not signed a contract with Rossi at that time, and Rossi has yet to pay anything to the university, as Paolo Capiluppi, the head of the Department of Physics at the University of Bologna, told me in a phone call on June 24."

"That time" was in March. Since the contract was only finally signed with the U. of B. on June 21st, and the phone call was on June 24th, it's not surprising that Rossi "had yet to pay anything".

In March, the contract was still under negotiation.

14 posted on 07/01/2011 3:59:00 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: The Cajun
My instinctive scam-o-meter is starting to inch upward again and so is my Baffle-Them-With-BS meter.

Whatever issues they may have had with US and international patent offices over getting patents issued (they have an Italian patent so far), once they have an operational commercial unit delivering energy they can demand the patent office issue the patent.

Once the patent is issued, then they don't need the trade secret protection. China will steal it regardless. A legitimate discovery will make them load of money in the US.

15 posted on 07/01/2011 4:04:39 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: saganite; The Cajun

Just for comparison, here’s some info on a person REALLY qualified to make the kind of judgments as a reporter that Krivit is not:

Mats Lewan.........ten years of experience as journalist and editor and with a M Sc degree in Engineering Physics from the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology.

http://se.linkedin.com/in/matslewan

Note that Lewan actually did hands-on investigation of the actual Rossi device. All Krivit did was take pictures and talk.


16 posted on 07/01/2011 5:29:28 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Rossi might be a scammer, but a guy with a Business Administration degree is not the one to make that determination.


17 posted on 07/01/2011 5:40:03 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Kevmo

I see two primary lines of evidence here:

1. The direct evidence (involving demonstrations of the E-cat and an understanding of the scientific principles by which it functions).

2. The indirect evidence (such as the association of the E-cat with physicists and businessmen with appropriate backgrounds, the commercial development, press conferences, etc.)

#1 is fundamentally more valuable than #2, but I can’t really discount #2, especially since things are so cloudy and ambiguous regarding #1.

It looks to me like, on #1, the proof for the E-cat is lacking badly. If Krivit is right about the steam levels and potential for energy output to be over-estimated by 1-2 orders of magnitude then it is possible the E-cat is simply using an internal ‘battery’ of some mundane sort, and the rig is just a clever ruse. It’s a well-done magic trick in this case, to have fooled so many for so long. But we simply don’t know at this point, and Rossi doesn’t seem interested in justifying himself to us doubters.

Regarding #2, everything looks, to my ignorant eyes, exactly as it should be if this were a world-changing technology and the ‘in’ people knew it and are charging ahead for all they are worth. But is it possible they are taken in the same way many of us distant observers have been? (Probably)

But that leaves unanswered what Rossi (and any collaborators) are really doing if this is a scam. It will be a magic trick comparable to the E-cat itself if this is a scam and he is able to escape somewhere without being caught when it all blows up. That’s why I was wondering a few days ago if this might be a huge bluff directed at OPEC or another major target to force concessions, by some major, major governmental organization or similar multi-national organization.

Bemused...


18 posted on 07/01/2011 5:45:13 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (For by grace are you saved through faith.)
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To: Kevmo

Well, if this is a scam or just a huge engineering mistake, the University of Bologna (baloney) seems like a fitting place for it to have happened........;^0


19 posted on 07/01/2011 5:53:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: Kevmo
University of Bologna, the oldest university in Europe

In the world.... By a large margin. It was founded in 1088 AD, over 900 years ago.

Source

20 posted on 07/01/2011 6:57:19 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Liberty1970

I was having a discussion about your second point with Wondor Warthog a few days ago. The indirect evidence is not really evidence at all. Many vapor-ware products start out associated with notable people.

I have seen many “world changing technologies” pop up and fizzle out. Generally if I hear world changing associated with the promotion, it is less likely to be true. I never heard world changing when they were talking about cell phones or the internet back in the 80’s and they turned out to be the biggest world changing tech at the end of the 20th century.


21 posted on 07/01/2011 7:07:16 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc
"The indirect evidence is not really evidence at all. Many vapor-ware products start out associated with notable people."

The only piece of "type 2" (indirect evidence) that I think would have any credence would be the various customers "type 1" studies....i.e their own in-depth studies of test devices. Remember, Rossi claims there are 96 devices out in customers hands. I have a really deep problem believing that any business type is going to "pony up" megamillion $$$$ outlays without validation by their own internal tech people.

What I'm hoping for is that either before or in October that Rossi will relax the secrecy agreements that are undoubtedly in effect, and let thse folks talk about their results.

22 posted on 07/01/2011 7:55:01 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Liberty1970
it is possible the E-cat is simply using an internal ‘battery’ of some mundane sort

It is possible that the 'battery'/energy-source is just the chemical reaction of the hydrogen with the zirconium oxide in the 'magic mixture', which is either reduction of the oxide or slow 'combustion' of the hydrogen, whichever way you want to look at it.

23 posted on 07/01/2011 8:44:00 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Wonder Warthog
I really want this thing to work, I really do.
Looking at Rossi's background doesn't jack me up too high.
Kind of a bogus degree from a bogus university, plus he has spent some time in the *Joint* for his previous non-accomplishments.
Confidence this does not make.

He could be one of those wild eyed crazy people who enjoy pulling a scam for the sake of pulling a scam with no thought of a getaway (enjoying the wild ride and attention for as long as it lasts) or he is a former con man (no doubt about that fact) that accidentally stumbled on something significant (very, very rare indeed).
The man does know how to run a con for a while, but eventually gets caught (his history).

I was 50/50 on this deal, now I'm about 20/80 on the negative side.

24 posted on 07/01/2011 9:04:04 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: dangerdoc
Here's one bit of good news, hopefully: the University of Bologna has a weblink up indicating they are evaluating a power generation device (this is apparently the E-cat, though it doesn't say as much as near as I can tell via translation). The link is at:

http://www.df.unibo.it/bacheca/bacheca.htm

Can anyone shed more insight on this testing?

25 posted on 07/01/2011 9:17:19 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (For by grace are you saved through faith.)
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To: The Cajun
"Kind of a bogus degree from a bogus university, plus he has spent some time in the *Joint* for his previous non-accomplishments."

The degree from the U. of Bologna is quite real. And his first venture (PetrolDragon) was by no means a scam, but ran into financial trouble due to a sudden change in Italy's enviromental regs (what was originally considered non-hazardous was suddenly labelled "toxic waste") and he didn't have the capital to handle the additional legal/regulatory overhead, and so "went bust". And his second was also no scam...if you bother to look up and read the funding agency's report (which I have). What he went to jail for had nothing to do with technology, but some export/import regulation (I haven't studied up on that one to any degree).

....or he is a former con man (no doubt about that fact)

Sorry, but I can't agree with that.

And frankly, I don't care if he rapes his infant grand-daughter on alternate Thursdays, as long as the data he generates is accurate.

26 posted on 07/01/2011 10:11:28 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo
Link to interesting interview last night (6-30) with Peter Hagelstein of MIT.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1872&category=Science

27 posted on 07/01/2011 12:30:59 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Helen Thomas - the older, smarter, prettier version of HRC.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Hey there are kids reading this Cajun, clean it up.

Krivit is not an academic but he has a track record of fair reporting on matters of cold fusion, and if you are in the field long enough you don’t need a degree to be able to spot a calculation error. Additionally his observations are supported by others well qualified to make judgements.

PetrolDragon by itself is questionable. The thermoelectric generators for the military by themselves are questionable. Both together, you have a credibility issue. I’m sorry but you cannot get away from that.

Since we have no definitive proof from up here in our protected hiding places we have to rely on the trustworthiness of others to make conclusions. Any positive conclusions cannot be drawn from statements made by Rossi only his PhD collaborators. So then the question is can you trust them?


28 posted on 07/01/2011 12:36:55 PM PDT by luke0123 (I have none)
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To: Liberty1970

Very interesting


29 posted on 07/01/2011 12:37:00 PM PDT by luke0123 (I have none)
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To: Liberty1970
Yeah it has been reported they will do testing but notice that they have not yet received payment. Krivit reported June 28th that they are still waiting.
30 posted on 07/01/2011 12:37:05 PM PDT by luke0123 (I have none)
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To: luke0123
Hey there are kids reading this Cajun, clean it up.

Think you got who said what tangled up there Ace.
You might want to do some rereading!

31 posted on 07/01/2011 1:37:00 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
You might want to reconsider the first part of the last statement you made, not a good way to make a point..... in the least.
32 posted on 07/01/2011 1:41:07 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun; luke0123
"You might want to reconsider the first part of the last statement you made, not a good way to make a point..... in the least."

It's called hyperbole. If you or "Luke0123" have problems with it, send it to the mods. The likelihood of "kids" reading a thread on cold fusion is about as great as any CF experiment getting a fair shake from "hot fusion" physicists. I can guarantee that pretty much any "kid" has already seen and heard worse on the evening news. Y'all need to check into the video games kids play these days.

33 posted on 07/01/2011 2:48:16 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog; luke0123
Haven't hit the abuse button on anybody in 11 years here, it's not my way to run to mommy or daddy.
Hyperbole of that nature I don't like, just my opinion of it since it was posted to me by you.

As far as luke0123, since he signed up today, just a noobie tripping over his noobieness or a troll trying to start crap.

34 posted on 07/01/2011 3:12:36 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun

tick tick tick tick......waiting on October or thereabouts for the 1MW unit to come online - or not. Or for interesting developments, pro or con, in the interim.


35 posted on 07/01/2011 5:48:58 PM PDT by citizen (Romney+Bachmann: Economic guy+Tea Party Values gal. I like it a lot!! No more Dick Obama in 2012!)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Yeah, I was kinda hoping Kevmo would reply. We’ve already had this conversation.


36 posted on 07/01/2011 7:42:43 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

Do you mean this article?

Report #2 - Energy Catalyzer: Scientific Communication and Ethics Issues
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2741977/posts
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:25:11 PM · by Kevmo · 31 replies
New Energy Times ^ | June 28 2011 | Steven Krivit


37 posted on 07/01/2011 8:37:35 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Liberty1970

But that leaves unanswered what Rossi (and any collaborators) are really doing if this is a scam. It will be a magic trick comparable to the E-cat itself if this is a scam and he is able to escape somewhere without being caught when it all blows up.
***Worth following just for that sake.
Maybe I’ll comment on the conspiracy stuff later...


38 posted on 07/01/2011 8:42:24 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dangerdoc

I never heard world changing when they were talking about cell phones or the internet back in the 80’s
***That’s because you weren’t listening


39 posted on 07/01/2011 8:43:49 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: expatpat

It is possible that the ‘battery’/energy-source is just the chemical reaction of the hydrogen with the zirconium oxide in the ‘magic mixture’, which is either reduction of the oxide or slow ‘combustion’ of the hydrogen, whichever way you want to look at it.
***The claim is that 99% of the hydrogen going in is what comes out, so that aspect is not open for interpretation. If Rossi has found a way to chemically catalyze an exothermic reaction that burns oxygen and outputs water, then it is a remarkable invention worth pursuing.

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2730401/posts
Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM · by Kevmo · 52 replies
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher


40 posted on 07/01/2011 8:47:42 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: badgerlandjim

Cool stuff, but I really can’t stand Linda Moulton Howe.

She messed up the only real UFO experiment I’ve been involved in, the famed “Art’s Parts”, the flying saucer material that was sent to Art Bell in 1997.


41 posted on 07/01/2011 8:56:38 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo

Just the opposite, I remember following the cell phone from the first papers discussing the concept and the internet before www. They were both technically interesting and people figured there was money to be made but nobody was thinking half the population of the world would be carrying a cell phone or most of the civilized world would have access to nearly universal information, many of them accessing it through the cell phone.

In the 80’s, a cell phone was a just good way to signal women that you had disposable income.


42 posted on 07/01/2011 9:04:40 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Kevmo

“She messed up the only real UFO experiment I’ve been involved in, the famed “Art’s Parts”, the flying saucer material that was sent to Art Bell in 1997”

There has to be an interesting story behind that statement.


43 posted on 07/01/2011 9:12:01 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

There was. It was just before I officially joined FR.

Basically, someone sent Art Bell a letter with some parts and said they came from Roswell in 1947, the famous flying saucer crash. I was working graveyard at the time and listened to Coast-to-Coast. I logged into the email list of ArtBellFans and made a prediction: That the parts would be mostly aluminum plus some other alloy, made of material available in 1947, and that they would be sintered.

I then proceeded to debate every single person on Art Bell Fans mail list because I apparently was the only person who believed that flying saucers were secret weapons.

A particularly aggressive debater named MJ SETI kept going back & forth with me, and I basically slammed him on almost every point he ever made. I encouraged him to read a book by Renato Vesco, “Intercept UFO”. Just one book. Both of us had read dozens of books on UFOs, so asking to read one more isn’t a big stretch.

He read the book. It changed his mind about UFOs. Then he became the most obnoxious debater (I was actually relatively polite) and drove the Art Bell Fans nuts.

Anyhow, all of my predictions came true. Art Bell handed over his pieces to Linda Howe for testing, and I kept hammering away saying they should be tested to see if they’re sintered. She completely biffed the whole thing, because a few weeks later the same guy who sent in the first set of parts supposedly sent in a second set of parts. I suggested that this new set of parts would be different, not necessarily made of material available in 1947 and that the 2 batches should not be mixed. The 2nd set of parts were disinformation, pulled off the latest shelf for their wizbang properties to draw off the scent of the originals.

Basically, Linda Moulton Howe mixed the 2 batches together just after finding a “tensile strength anomaly” in the first batch (HELLO??? SINTERED) and I got disgusted & dropped out of the group... I was busy with school anyways.


44 posted on 07/01/2011 10:01:39 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dangerdoc

http://paranetz.pa.funpic.de/paranetz/Ufos/roscrash.htm


45 posted on 07/01/2011 10:07:05 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo

Yes


46 posted on 07/02/2011 2:34:23 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Kevmo
If the claim that 99% of the hydrogen is coming out as H2 gas is true, then your point is correct. However, if the accurate claim is that 99% of the hydrogen is 'lost' (i.e., comes out as either H2 or H2O), then my point is valid.

Which is it? You are very conversant with the E-cat literature. Can you point me to where that claim is made, and how it is determined?

47 posted on 07/02/2011 9:21:35 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

Start here, section 13.2

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts

13.2. Hydrogen
Controller contains a Hydrogen Fuel Cell, Main unit burns Hydrogen.

Liquid Hydrogen and external Air are the most favorable for a fake.

Control Box: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air Fuel Cell Main Unit: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl Horz Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power FAKE?
Material LH/Air-FC LH/Air LH/Air Fake Expt
Energy 168 kWH 61.7 kWH 25.3 kWH 255 kWH 10.0 kW 25.5 Hrs 0.500 Hrs
January with ALL sections
Main Unit: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl Horz Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power FAKE?
Material - LH/Air LH/Air Fake Expt
Energy 61.7 kWH 25.3 kWH 87.0 kWH 10.0 kW 8.70 Hrs 0.500 Hrs
January with MAIN unit — excluding Control Box
Horizontal Arm: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl Horz Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 61.7 kWH 61.7 kWH 16.0 kW 3.86 Hrs 18.0 Hrs
February with HORIZONTAL unit
Reactor: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl React Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 30.9 kWH 30.9 kWH 16.0 kW 1.93 Hrs 18.0 Hrs
February with ESTIMATED reactor volume
Reactor chamber: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl Chamber Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 2.81 kWH 2.81 kWH 16.0 kW 0.175 Hrs 18.0 Hrs
February with reactor CHAMBER volume
Horizontal Arm: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Horz React Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power FAKE?
Material LH/Air - - Fake Expt
Energy 41.3 kWH 41.3 kWH 4.39 kW 9.41 Hrs 6.00 Hrs
March with HORIZONTAL unit
Reactor: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Horz React Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 0.252 kWH 0.252 kWH 4.39 kW 0.0574 Hrs 6.00 Hrs
March with ESTIMATED reactor volume
Reactor chamber: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Chamber Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 0.140 kWH 0.140 kWH 4.39 kW 0.0320 Hrs 6.00 Hrs
March with reactor CHAMBER volume
FAKE? means that the fake could run longer than the experiment, and is NOT eliminated
REAL means that the fake is ELIMINATED by an experiment, so the device could be REAL


48 posted on 07/02/2011 9:41:08 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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I don't see the claim that 99% of the hydrogen going in is what comes out in the section you referenced. It talks about stunts with compressed or liquid hydrogen, but I don't see the claim you refer to there. Can you be more specific?

BTW, I'm not suggesting a fraud, really, just a mistake...

49 posted on 07/02/2011 11:32:46 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

I can’t find the exact tidbit you’re looking for. You’ll need to fetch it for yourself.


50 posted on 07/02/2011 9:51:53 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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