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Learning From the Worst Presidents. What factors predict lousy presidents to come.
American Thinker ^ | 07/04/2011 | Ron Lipsman

Posted on 07/04/2011 7:27:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 07/04/2011 8:13:10 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

An increasing number of Americans -- and not just conservatives -- are expressing the opinion that Barack Obama's presidency is as calamitous for the United States as was that of Jimmy Carter.  If so, then in the relatively short span of three decades, America has experienced two spectacularly flawed presidencies, each comparable to only a handful that have occurred over the life of the Republic.  Could these two recent tragedies have been predicted?  Are there any identifiable personality traits, past experiences, or political trajectories that might enable voters to foresee impending abject failure in a presidential candidate?


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: potus; presidents
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1 posted on 07/04/2011 7:27:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Bill Wineke writes a column at the CBS site in Madistan Wisconsin. People respond to his communist rantings and he responds back. He wrote this just yesterday:

Barack Obama is the finest President this country has elected since, at least, Franklin Roosevelt. Like Roosevelt, he saved the country from a Republican Depression and, in so doing, rescued the free enterprise system. I really don't think I would put your interpretation of the Constitution up against a former professor of constitutional law.

2 posted on 07/04/2011 7:31:00 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about we start with virtue?


3 posted on 07/04/2011 7:33:02 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SeekAndFind

Carter was a saint compared to obuttface.


4 posted on 07/04/2011 7:34:00 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: gorush

Obamalini was never a professor. He was a lecturer at UC, and the faculty resented his presence because he got this relatively minor position for reasons unrelated to merit and because they could see that he was an intellectual simpleton by UC standards


5 posted on 07/04/2011 7:36:39 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

I wonder why the list doesn’t include Franklin Pierce. Obama is the closest approximation to Pierce.


6 posted on 07/04/2011 7:45:23 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too many words for a simple question. Any Democrat will be a fiasco as president. Half of all Republicans will be disaterous. Solution: elect governors with a proven track record.


7 posted on 07/04/2011 7:48:52 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: SeekAndFind
That said, it is the case that (depending on exactly who is on your list), from sometime in the late nineteenth century until the latter part of the twentieth century, there was no individual who ascended to the presidency from (relative) obscurity, in an unanticipated fashion, without sufficient credentials.

The author doesn't know history. What about Pres. Gerald Ford? Never elected to an office in the Executive Branch of government, yet became our 38th president.

8 posted on 07/04/2011 7:52:08 AM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Once again LBJ gets a pass.


9 posted on 07/04/2011 7:53:29 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Interesting. Many things have changed drastically. The EPA and it overreach of power, the expansion of the welfare class. Madeline O Hare and taking prayer out of schools and it s expansion through our our whole public system, the United Nations, then the World Bank, and the world health organization, and then Bill Clinton gave Yellowstone park to the United Nations and signed the Biodiversity with the United Nations in 1993. and a thousand other cuts into our United States Constitution. We are and have been giving away our sovereignity bit by bit through the liberal agenda. Progressives are very progressive!!!

Father God, help America in this time, forgive us our arrogant ways and transgressions, we repent of the evil we have done against thee Lord, help us to be pleasing in thy sight. Give us wisdom and understanding to do thy will, in Jesus name I pray, amen.

10 posted on 07/04/2011 7:56:15 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: gorush
I find myself studying history more these days. I can no longer discern a difference between the worst and the next worst President. As worst, several have tied.

Obama/FDR/Wilson/LBJ/Carter/Johnson

The party that despises this nation, that wants to shred the Constitution or at least radically reform it, should never be in a position to govern this nation.

11 posted on 07/04/2011 7:59:07 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: SeekAndFind

Both Carter and Obama came to office because of failed Republican administrations. For Carter it was Nixon/Ford and for Obama it was Bush’s second term, which with the GOP Congress was a disgusting mess. In both elections the GOP fielded Elitist approved candidates. The Go-along get-along, stay- the - course, Reach across the aisle types when Americans want a change from that. When a people are spiritually hungry even the cheap hash Carter and Obama were dishing out sounded better then the bland cold peas porridge the GOP was offering up.


12 posted on 07/04/2011 7:59:07 AM PDT by MCF
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To: SeekAndFind

What factors predict lousy presidents to come? They’re liberals?


13 posted on 07/04/2011 8:00:30 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: Bed_Zeppelin
They’re liberals?

DING DING DING !!! WE'VE GOT A WINNER !!!


14 posted on 07/04/2011 8:02:53 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Louis Foxwell
Too many words for a simple question. Any Democrat will be a fiasco as president. Half of all Republicans will be disaterous. Solution: elect governors with a proven track record

You are exactly correct. The governor doesn't even have to have a perfect record, just a proven one. Governors make mistakes... all of them. But a good governor will turn even his mistakes into positive outcomes. That's the guy I want to be president.

15 posted on 07/04/2011 8:06:34 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of the biggest dilemmas our governing class faces is that you never get credit for doing nothing. Sometimes, doing nothing is the best course of action (especially where the economy is concerned). Thus, Coolidge is routinely trashed by liberal historians. By the way, happy bithday, Silent Cal!


16 posted on 07/04/2011 8:09:33 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Seruzawa

“Once again LBJ gets a pass.”

From the article: “LBJ was an awful president (the legacy of the Great Society and the Vietnam War continue to corrupt America’s soul)...”

That’s a pass?


17 posted on 07/04/2011 8:10:16 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: geologist
Amen.
18 posted on 07/04/2011 8:11:12 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

Would think that carrying a copy of “The Post American World” would be a hint.


19 posted on 07/04/2011 8:13:57 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Save the planet, destroy the MSM)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Bull crap, jimua carter was a former successful governor, so make that double bull crap. So was bill clitoon!!! Make that triple bull crap
20 posted on 07/04/2011 8:26:02 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: SeekAndFind
John Adams, Second President: “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”

Thomas Jefferson, Third President:  “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them...If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them [around the banks], will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

James Madison, Fourth President, 1792:  “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Franklin Pierce, 14th President 1854:
“[I must question] the constitutionality and propriety of the Federal Government assuming to enter into a novel and vast field of legislation, namely, that of providing for the care and support of all those � who by any form of calamity become fit objects of public philanthropy ... I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for making the Federal Government the great almoner of public charity throughout the United States. To do so would, in my judgment, be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive of the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded.”

Grover Cleveland, 22nd President 1887:  “I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit.”

Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural, 1981: “Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

21 posted on 07/04/2011 8:36:12 AM PDT by Vintage Freeper
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To: fhayek

That’s exactly what the democrats are doing... Nothing, and hoping the GOP goes out front so they can blame them for further economic collapse. Which they themselves are responsible for and is sure to come.

Here is an experiment, ask your family, friends, and coworkers when the last budget federal passed. In my case, 100% didn’t know. The left and the MSM are setting up the narrative that the 2010 republican’s are destroying the economy and if we don’t get the truth out, everyone will believe it.


22 posted on 07/04/2011 8:39:47 AM PDT by vlad335
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To: fhayek

Calvin Coolidge said, “the business of America is business” and the Roaring Twenties lived up to its name with skyrocketing prosperity. Silent Cal attended every banquet function to which he was invited and merely remarked, “a man’s got to eat”.

He did relatively nothing and absolutely no harm.


23 posted on 07/04/2011 8:46:09 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Factors? Hubris.


24 posted on 07/04/2011 8:47:36 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: SeekAndFind

Progressivism on both sides of the aisle.


25 posted on 07/04/2011 8:54:42 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jimmy Carter was the result of Nixon screwups.

Barack Obama was the result of George Bush not being willing to stop government spending.


26 posted on 07/04/2011 9:00:24 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: SeekAndFind

With apologies this President was omitted. Even Obama has not yet done the limbo like him.


Poll: Bush’s popularity hits new low
IRAQ WAR
March 19, 2008|From Paul Steinhauser CNN deputy political director

A poll out Wednesday finds that 67 percent of those surveyed disapprove of President Bush.

Five years after he green-lighted the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, President Bush faced strikingly low approval ratings as he reaffirmed his commitment to “accept no outcome but victory” in the war.

Just 31 percent of Americans approve of how President Bush is handling his job, according to a poll released Wednesday, the anniversary of the start of the conflict in 2003.

Sixty-seven percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey disapprove of the president’s performance.

The 31 percent approval number is a new low for Bush in CNN polling and is 40 points lower than the president’s number at the start of the Iraq war.


27 posted on 07/04/2011 9:00:38 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: org.whodat

You are not watching. I specifically excluded all democrats.


28 posted on 07/04/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama could not have been more obvious about being a lousy President during the election unless “lousy POTUS” were tatooed on his forehead.


29 posted on 07/04/2011 9:13:36 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: MCF

“which with the GOP Congress was a disgusting mess.......”

Sorry Charlie, in 2006 the Democrats won a huge majority in both the House and the Senate, and in 2008 won super-majorities in both chambers of Congress....The sorry state of the United States lays at the feet of Reid and Pelosi from 2007 on till 2011.....

....just as the roaring 1990’s, from 1994 till 2001 lies at the feet of the Republican Congress led by Gingrich and Lott........ Clinton, busy chasing interns and other strange stuff had little to nothing to do with it.......

Obama is an epic failure, but let’s not forget that the US Congress has a larger impact on the final policies of the Government.......

Despite the popular focus on the presidency, our best interest lies in electing “Big C” Conservatives into the national legislature.....JMHO.


30 posted on 07/04/2011 9:18:06 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (Palin/West 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

Get one that was born in February. That almost always works.

Avoid ones born in August. That never works.


31 posted on 07/04/2011 9:21:46 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: vlad335
I was not talking about the budget (which is what they are supposed to do). I was talking about Obamacare, stimulus, TARP, extended unemployment benefits, auto company bailouts, moratoriums on oil drilling, blocking Boeing from opening its new plant, wall street regulations, record deficits, proposing higher taxes (and you can throw in Quantitative Easing, but, technically that is the Fed). That's a pretty big heap of economic destruction, if you ask me.
32 posted on 07/04/2011 9:24:03 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Stosh

RE: Get one that was born in February.

I’ve spoken to many conservatives and libertarians in the South who claim that a certain President born in February in the 19th century started the trend towards weakening the rights of states.


33 posted on 07/04/2011 9:24:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

“..... of George Bush not being willing to stop government spending......”

Shame on the Democrat Congress for using the continuation of the war on terror as a vehicle to expand their social/entitlement spending. Bush needed bigger nads to deal with the final Dem majority Pelosi/Reid Congress.

Vote em out.....vote em all out! (even your congressman/senator) Dems/RINOs/Independants..l.....color them gone!


34 posted on 07/04/2011 9:28:18 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (Palin/West 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

What factors predict lousy presidents to come? Well duh!! If they are democrats or RHINOS seems to be a pretty good indication.


35 posted on 07/04/2011 9:29:16 AM PDT by lwoodham
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To: SeekAndFind

Sometimes I think some of these articles are complete satire, just to get people riled up. You need some factors for who would be a lousy president: spends entire life surrounded by communists/radicals/progressives; raised by a pedophile; no one knows where you’re born; no one knows where you went to school or what your grades were at these alleged schools; you make any and every attempt to hide your past; you vote present, or don’t vote at all throughout your entire political career; you never once, sponsored or wrote one piece of legislation, state or federal; you lie every chance you get; you are incapable of speaking to anyone without a teleprompter; you cannot pronounce common words in the English language; you give shout-outs at a disastrous time, after some muslim POS kills a bunch of folks; you campaign that it is your goal to bankrupt an industry, that is vital to the US; you give a job to a man that advocates relationships between men and boys and gives seminars on ‘fisting’ your partner; you bow to tyrants and dictators; you have no f**king clue and have proven it over and over; the only reason you went overseas during the campaign was because you were called out on not doing it....what else did I forget? This moron makes Carter look like a stud..


36 posted on 07/04/2011 10:10:50 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: SeekAndFind
Are there any identifiable personality traits, past experiences, or political trajectories that might enable voters to foresee impending abject failure in a presidential candidate?

Personality traits:
There are four temperaments: artisans, guardians, rationals, and idealists. No idealists have been president. There have been good and bad presidents from the other temperaments.

Basic principles:
1) antifreedom: altruism, collectivism, statism, socialism
2) profreedom: rational egoism, individualism, limited government, capitalism

37 posted on 07/04/2011 10:12:46 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: achilles2000

At Obama’s press conference, he said he wouldn’t put on his constitutional law professor hat to deal with some issue. I forgot the issue at hand. However, Obama himself continues to push the “big lie” that he was a constitutional law professor. It’s been part of the narrative of his life, and critical masses of people believe this big lie.


38 posted on 07/04/2011 10:14:50 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: lwoodham

When history looks back at Obama (and his many scandals are known) history will brand Obama as the worst president of all time—what has he done save for giving the nod to kill UBL? He will be the man who over saw the decline of America in the world. They will write Operas over his scandals. He will make Nixon look good.


39 posted on 07/04/2011 10:16:50 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: MCF

And then part of Obama’s appeal was the historic candidacy of the first serious black candidate to run for president. Plus he was said to be so eloquent and charismatic. I never perceived it, but lots of people did. Such hokey speeches about stopping the rise of the oceans and allowing the planet to heal may not have the same effect in 2012.


40 posted on 07/04/2011 10:19:05 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

One major factor with Obama was the fact that he never had any executive or management experience, in any previous job, before becoming president.

Obama doesn’t know how to be a leader, how to be a manager, how to delgate authority, how to run an office, or the thousand other lesser skills which seasoned executives and managers have.

It’s shocking in retrospect that the very first management experience for Obama is in his current job as president. Heck at least Jimmy Carter had been a one term state governor and had some experience there.


41 posted on 07/04/2011 10:22:10 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Traveler59
In the posters defense Ford wasn't elected. He was appointed after Nixon resigned. Not really analogous.
42 posted on 07/04/2011 12:06:09 PM PDT by mark_interrupted
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To: mark_interrupted

I’d throw in Nixon and Ford and a couple of NWO Bush’s and a NWO Clinton in to the bunch of sorry Presidents.


43 posted on 07/04/2011 12:10:48 PM PDT by RED SOUTH (Follow me on twitter @redsouth72)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Oh, as in the successful former governor of Maryland, Spiro T. Agnew, actually a form governor does not mean that much. Other than they put their drawers on just like you.


44 posted on 07/04/2011 2:20:03 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: SuzyQue

He’s got to be in the 5 worst. Cripes the Great society is still destroying us. The Vietnam War was chickenfeed in comparison.


45 posted on 07/04/2011 2:45:57 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: MCF

Let the record show it was, I believe, a dem congress the last two years of Bush’s second term.


46 posted on 07/04/2011 2:49:14 PM PDT by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: Seruzawa

Agreed!


47 posted on 07/04/2011 3:07:47 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: John W
True, he sure was hell on wheels, cutting spending and balancing the budget and vetoing bills those first six years, wasn't he. You could just about say he was a riding and a shooting and a ringing those bells.
48 posted on 07/04/2011 4:00:33 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

I was correcting what I believed to be a factual error in the post I responded to; glad to allow you an opportunity for a Bush rant, though.


49 posted on 07/04/2011 4:37:17 PM PDT by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: John W

Thank you!!!!!


50 posted on 07/04/2011 5:00:59 PM PDT by org.whodat
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