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Casey Anthony Juror: 'Sick to Our Stomachs' Over Not Guilty Verdict
ABC NEWS ^ | July 6,2011 | MARY KATE BURKE, JESSICA HOPPER and ENJOLI FRANCIS

Posted on 07/06/2011 6:31:34 PM PDT by Hojczyk

Casey Anthony juror Jennifer Ford said today that she and the other jurors cried and were "sick to our stomachs" after voting to acquit Casey Anthony of charges that she killed her 2-year-old daughter Caylee.

"I did not say she was innocent," said Ford, who had previously only been identified as juror number 3. "I just said there was not enough evidence. If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be."

The jury's jaw dropping not guilty verdict shocked court observers, but it was also a difficult moment for the panel, Ford said in an exclusive interview with ABC News. No one from the jury was willing to come out and talk to the media in the hours after the verdict.

"Everyone wonders why we didn't speak to the media right away," Ford said. "It was because we were sick to our stomach to get that verdict. We were crying and not just the women. It was emotional and we weren't ready. We wanted to do it with integrity and not contribute to the sensationalism of the trial."

Instead of murder, Casey Anthony, 25, was found guilty of four counts of lying to law enforcement and could be released from jail as early as Thursday.

Ford praised the jurors.

"They picked a great bunch of people, such high integrity. And there was high morale," she said. "We all joked. We are like a big group of cousins."

Casey Anthony Prosecutor: 'All Came Down to Cause of Death'

Earlier today, the prosecutor and an alternate juror agreed on why the jury had refused to convict Anthony: They couldn't prove how little Caylee Anthony died.

"It all came down to the evidence," said Florida state attorney Jeff Ashton on "The View."

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To: mlo
You can prove that Casey did it beyond a reasonable doubt while still not knowing what time she did it or what her precise motions were.

This is correct.

In my view, the prosecution should have charged her with negligent homicide.

They could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that

- the remains were Caylee's

- that foul play was involved

- that Casey was culpable in the foul play.

The evidence as to the second and third points are circumstantial. If the jury were permitted to consider the reasonable implications of the fact that Casey was in the position of the most knowledge of the specific circumstances of Caylee's death and refused to speak, taken together with all of the evidence of the behavior of the defendant pointing to consciousness of guilt and the lies she told about Caylee's whereabouts, then the jury could conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee was a victim of foul play and that Casey was culpable in Caylee's death.

The element of evidence of premeditation and intent for a capital murder charge was to me a bridge too far, but that Casey was culpable was demonstrated by the circumstantial evidence and could support a verdict of negligent homicide, which would not require evidence of premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt.

251 posted on 07/06/2011 11:02:21 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
I don’t understand your grandstanding and mocking others who want (and were denied) justice.

Who the hell is doing that?

If they had found her guilty I'd have kept my mouth shut and smiled inwardly.

But if I was on the jury, I would have voted the same they did.

The State failed to prove it's case (Murder One) beyond a reasonable doubt....pure and simple.

252 posted on 07/06/2011 11:03:19 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Retired Greyhound
They should have simply pursued manslaughter ONLY, not as a fallback to Murder 1 with death. The jurors couldn’t shake that.

As the medical examiner stated, duct tape anywhere on that child's face spells homicide, a capital crime. Therefore Murder 1 was the appropriate penalty

Since, as you admit, "the jurors couldn't shake that," they were not reasoned and based their verdict on their emotions and lack of critical thinking skills. They also applied the wrong legal standard by moving the goalpost of reasonable doubt to any doubt at all, as the alternate juror specifically stated.

Just because you are good with this abomination don't expect the rest of us to jump for joy.

253 posted on 07/06/2011 11:03:56 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: eddie willers

>>The State failed to prove it’s case (Murder One) beyond a reasonable doubt....pure and simple. <<

Says you. Obviously, many reasonable people disagree with you.


254 posted on 07/06/2011 11:04:26 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Teacher317

We are so far away from the Founder’s ideals that it is pathetic.


255 posted on 07/06/2011 11:05:25 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: hillarys cankles

she’ll be dead within five years. Then she will have to answer to God.

Casey would have had a much easier life in jail then she will have on the outside.


256 posted on 07/06/2011 11:07:18 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound
Good post. But I think juries do hold it against the defendant, even when instructed not to do so.

Yes, I know that happens, and there is some research to support the claim that juries will give it all the more weight precisely because they are instructed not to.

However, some counsel are convinced that juries scrupulously follow this instruction to the perversion of proper justice. One of them is Andrew McCarthy of National Review who offered his experience on this at the Corner and also appears to agree with me and Scalia:

Juries, in general, are much more responsible than they are given credit for being. They tend to follow judges’ instructions very conscientiously. In high profile cases, judges tell them not to taint their fact-finding by reading, watching, or listening to the coverage, and they comply. More significantly, they really do follow the directive that the defendant has a right not to testify and that they therefore cannot draw an inference of guilt from a defendant’s decision not to take the stand. This is a truly remarkable thing. Before absolving someone of committing a terrible crime, people want the defendant to look them in the eye and convince them that he/she did not do it. Yet, we tell jurors that to take that commonsense position is to violate a defendant’s constitutional rights. So, hard as it is, jurors usually bend over backwards not to hold a failure to testify against the defendant.

Just to be clear, I’ve never liked this interpretation of the Fifth Amendment, which is a “refinement” of the criminals’ rights revolution of the sixties and seventies. To me, the Fifth Amendment means an accused has a right not to be compelled to testify, not that the accused has an additional right to deny the jury, the prosecutor, and the court the ability to draw the perfectly reasonable conclusion that, if there were a plausible explanation consistent with innocence, the accused would have provided it. But that ship sailed half a century ago, and even though it remains a perfectly reasonable conclusion to draw, the law says jurors can’t draw it . . . and it is a law that jurors scrupulously follow in my experience.


257 posted on 07/06/2011 11:09:53 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: RitaOK
I was in the Guilty box at the 31 days of non-reporting.

And she WAS guilty of those 31 days of non-reporting.

That is called Gross Negligence (culpa lata).

But that is not what she was charged with.

I was disappointed when it became clear that all the prosecution had was that they were going to prove that Casey was a liar and a bad person.

The defense conceded that in their opening statement and yet the prosecution trundled on day after day pursuing that now moot point.

I kept waiting for the evidence that would that would nail her....but it never came.

258 posted on 07/06/2011 11:11:25 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

One more thing...If a guilty murderer got away free...the system didn’t work.

It is an unfortunate evil byproduct of an imperfect system (although the best system so far) of justice.

Nothing to gloat about or ridicule others over.


259 posted on 07/06/2011 11:15:13 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: truthkeeper

I had the same conclusion. I don’t think murder was proven. I’m not entirely convinced that Casey deliberately killed Caylee. I’m not convinced George wasn’t involved. I’m not convinced Kronk didn’t mess with the remains, including the duct tape.

Involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide were more appropriate.

Also, they had the motive wrong if it was murder. Nobody kills their kid so they can party. George and Cindy always cared for Caylee while Casey partied. Prosecution should have suggested that Casey’s motive was her desire to keep the child from her parents, whom she had recently had disagreements with. Blame the overzealous prosecution for seeking the death penalty, and for trying to introduce shitty forensic evidence.

Law is not supposed to have emotion. It is supposed to be unbiased. The media, with their history of lying, got the public hysterical about this case from day 1, so much so that they couldn’t even find an unbiased jury in Orlando. If you are upset with the shoddy jury, blame the media.


260 posted on 07/06/2011 11:19:43 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
many reasonable people disagree with you.

Nancy Grace, Shepard Smith, Joy Behar...all quite reasonable. /s

261 posted on 07/06/2011 11:21:34 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

F*** yourself. I’m getting tired of your incessant stupidity.

You have defamed people on Free Republic as being Statists for suggesting that justice was not done in this case.

Your rank idiocy is getting tiresome. Don’t you have a bed to go to?


262 posted on 07/06/2011 11:26:24 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Retired Greyhound
Nancy Grace, Shepard Smith, Joy Behar...all quite reasonable. /s

Yeah...but that Mark Levin....what a liberal, RINO nutcase shyster lawyer!

263 posted on 07/06/2011 11:28:56 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
You mean Mark Levin who supports Obama's right to go to the UN and not Congress to bomb Libya?

That fraud?
264 posted on 07/06/2011 11:32:03 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

For the record, I’m only suggesting that it is a slippery slope towards statism. I’ve yet to call anyone a statist.

You are right that justice was not done. The reason was disputed evidence.

I’m willing to live with that in order for our society to remain free.

I will always hold the state to the highest standard for conviction, especially after my recent experience.

I have a wonderful bed to go to.


265 posted on 07/06/2011 11:37:17 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Okay, let’s agree to disagree and part friends.

Good night.

;-)


266 posted on 07/06/2011 11:38:43 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Iron Munro

To your number 2 question, the theory was that Casey lied, partied, was promiscuous, etc. because Daddy & bro molested her and it was the big lie in the family so, according to the defense, it’s perfectly understandable why she lied and acted as she did for those 31 days...total crap IMO!


267 posted on 07/06/2011 11:38:43 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Retired Greyhound
You've got the law wrong. The prosecution does not have to prove motive.

Furthermore, the jury could have opted for felony murder, they did not have to find that Casey deliberately murdered Caylee.

I watched almost all of the trial and find your doubts regarding George and Kronk unreasonable, so I won't bother addressing them.

And as much as you wish it so, the media had nothing to do with this mentally challenged jury.

It's late, so goodnight.

268 posted on 07/06/2011 11:39:04 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Yes, good point. Poor Caylee was doomed the moment she was conceived.


269 posted on 07/06/2011 11:41:11 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Casey never reported Caylee missing because Casey knew exactly where she was all of the time.


270 posted on 07/06/2011 11:51:29 PM PDT by Eaglefixer
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To: max americana

Maybe the only reason she is coming out and saying this is because she now sees how the public is reacting and how stupid she and the others look.


271 posted on 07/07/2011 12:06:24 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: Retired Greyhound

Anybody who might have possibly been innocent in a capital murder case with the possibilty of a death sentence will have come clean about how the child died, taken the stand and pleaded with the jury. She took her chances because she had no defense and knew it was not an accident.


272 posted on 07/07/2011 12:17:54 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: Retired Greyhound

An innocent person WAS executed. And one could easily lose sleep over the fact that her murderer was just set free.


273 posted on 07/07/2011 12:23:37 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: Talisker
if Casey was a man, she would have been convicted of first degree murder, and no one would even remotely question it.

Spot on unless it was a black man who was too big a symbol of the struggle for black jurors to convict for killing a white woman and a Jewish boy

274 posted on 07/07/2011 12:28:13 AM PDT by wardaddy (Palin or Bachman..either with Marco....but Bachman bashers can kiss my ass)
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To: annieokie

You go girl..hear hear


275 posted on 07/07/2011 12:30:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (Palin or Bachman..either with Marco....but Bachman bashers can kiss my ass)
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To: MsLady

ANybody who says this lying, conniving, child-killer was a “good” mother is a mother friggin retard. Even IF you don’t think she killed Caylee with her own bare hands....who in God’s name could think that not caring one little iota about your child lying dead in a swamp=good mother????????????????

Geraldo...you are mentally handicapped. Go take a boat to Mexico and stay there.


276 posted on 07/07/2011 12:32:35 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: Hojczyk

277 posted on 07/07/2011 12:48:53 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: mlo

This jury wouldn’t have been happy unless the prosecution told them that casey murdered Caylee at 4:35 pm with a candlestick in the library and Professor Plum saws the whole thing.


278 posted on 07/07/2011 1:00:05 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: Retired Greyhound

“Nobody kills their kid so they can party. George and Cindy always cared for Caylee while Casey partied. Prosecution should have suggested that Casey’s motive was her desire to keep the child from her parents, whom she had recently had disagreements with. Blame the overzealous prosecution for seeking the death penalty, and for trying to introduce shitty forensic evidence.

Law is not supposed to have emotion.”

Are you serious? First of all, people have killed children for CRYING TOO MUCH for pete’s sake. Women have murdered their children because they impeded their relationship with the new boyfriend. Nobody kills their child so they can party is, and has been proven, clearly FALSE. As for George and Cindy ALWAYS babysitting while she partied, I have read, and I forget where now, but in more than one place that once Cindy found out casey was lying about working she put a stop to all the babysitting. Her friends also testified that Cindy would call Casey home at 11 or midnight when they were watching Caylee and she wished she could stay the night with them instead. I read a police timeline transcript of cell phone records (texting that her friends had to produce to police detectives as evidence) and you could clearly see that Casey was having trouble getting mom and dad to babysit everytime she wanted them to. Casey would have to turn down offers of outings and vacations with friends. The shitty forensic eveidence might one day be considered standard just like DNA is now....and as for the law not having emotion. We are not robots and you have to have some kind of emotion in most everything you do, whehter it’s subconscious or not. I agree about them overreaching with the death penalty option. But it’s not really the point. They had the option to set that aside no?


279 posted on 07/07/2011 1:14:31 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: Meet the New Boss

Excellent post...best one today.... laid groundwork for acquitals like this one...good to see Anton saw that

Wonder if Levin...the big dope..thinks of this one


280 posted on 07/07/2011 1:20:34 AM PDT by wardaddy (Palin or Bachman..either with Marco....but Bachman bashers can kiss my ass)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

The longer the small body stayed in the swamp, the less likely to find the cause of death...no organs to examine, no skin, I heard one commentator say the 31 days was giving the murdered child a chance to decompose and with that the loss of any evidence..


281 posted on 07/07/2011 2:21:20 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Scotswife
I heard Hannity today trying to wrestle with the fact that the evidence AS A WHOLE has to be looked at AS A WHOLE. He was stabbing away desperately and seemed oddly worked up about it. There’s something not quite right with him.

Hannity is really annoying me. Kimberly Gilfoyle said she would have voted to convict. She seemed actually upset with him.

282 posted on 07/07/2011 4:27:17 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: RitaOK
On Casey, however, I was in the Guilty box at the 31 days of non-reporting. After that, the rest of the evidence was gravy. The prosecution proved the 31 days.

On the 31st day, Cindy called 911 reliably hysterical, handed the phone off to Casey who sounded like a psychopath sounds, like a secretarial service devoid of real interest in the report, and again...lying through her teeth to 911, who was audibly flabbergasted. Guilty.

You are 100% correct!

283 posted on 07/07/2011 4:33:57 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: FlingWingFlyer
She’s a moron and they managed to find 12 other morons. LOL!

Baez could have found some other reliable jurors right here on FR.

284 posted on 07/07/2011 4:36:08 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Puritansim: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.)
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To: eddie willers
That "something went wrong" was possibly/probably a toddler waking & in extreme panic when she couldn't breathe...

..or vomiting and choking on the vomit...

Roll that scenario around in your brain for a while and see how it makes you feel!

My granddaughter woke up & was choking on mucus (because of a bad cold)....and we were there in seconds holding her, helping her cough, comforting her ....assuring her because she was panicking!

I don't want to imagine this little girl waking up and in panic because her heartless parent taped her mouth and nose shut.

The alternate juror had the nerve to say the pieces of tape were very small....

WHAT A DUMB PIECE OF WORK!.....how big do they have to be to place over the mouth and nose of a small child!

IT IS ALL HIDEOUS!

285 posted on 07/07/2011 4:36:48 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Hacksaw
Baez could have found some other reliable jurors right here on FR.

I wouldn't have thought it possible before this verdict came down, but I'll have to agree with you.

These people siding with the verdict remind me of clueless democrats who can't figure out that obama is destroying our country.

286 posted on 07/07/2011 4:39:40 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; Scotswife

Hannity is like a dull bulb on a lot of things and last night I was so ticked on tuned in to HLN to recover.


287 posted on 07/07/2011 4:41:15 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; Scotswife

Hannity is like a dull bulb on a lot of things and last night I was so ticked off I tuned in to HLN to recover.


288 posted on 07/07/2011 4:41:43 AM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga
Hannity is like a dull bulb on a lot of things and last night I was so ticked on tuned in to HLN to recover.

I did the exact same thing!

289 posted on 07/07/2011 4:43:24 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Hojczyk
I don't think she was paid, but heard this morning that one of the jurors, has told the media he will speak with the media.

For a fee in the mid-5 digets.

290 posted on 07/07/2011 4:46:03 AM PDT by mware
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To: mware
heard this morning that one of the jurors, has told the media he will speak with the media. For a fee in the mid-5 digets.

He should be ashamed to show his face.

291 posted on 07/07/2011 4:47:34 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Hojczyk
A quote for the Anthony jurors...

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Mark Twain

292 posted on 07/07/2011 4:52:34 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Gilfoyle was very upset, imo.

Hannity drank the kool-aid and jumped the shark in one fell swoop!

He has lost me ......I am absolutley gobsmacked!

293 posted on 07/07/2011 4:54:47 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Yes. Wasn’t that surprised with Hannity (except that I doubt he knew what a maelstrom he created among his listeners), but Levin’s take is troubling—especially without knowing EXACTLY what he said.


294 posted on 07/07/2011 4:57:46 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: tioga

me too!

at one point he says “but they cast doubt about the smell in the car”...

and I’m yelling at the radio....”of course they did! you moron! that’s when you have to decide if a reasonable person is going to believe the defense lawyer of a pathological liar, or will he/she believe the devastating 911 call?”

my kids were looking at me funny and I had to turn him off.


295 posted on 07/07/2011 5:00:47 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Salvavida

The jury - especially this woman - lacked common sense and critical thinking skills. A poor baby, moldering in a swamp, wrapped in duct tape and plastic, put no foul play occurred.

Meanwhile, she thinks George and Casey “were up to something.” No evidence there, though, just the usual “blame Daddy who is probably a kiddie rapist.”


296 posted on 07/07/2011 5:16:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Don’t you want the state to have to meet a high burden of proof? I do.

And if you don't think that they met that "high burden" then you didn't watch the same case as everyone else - PERIOD!
297 posted on 07/07/2011 5:31:23 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Scotswife

I have no kids left at home to rein me in. LOL


298 posted on 07/07/2011 5:31:39 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Hojczyk; retrokitten; wideawake; stainlessbanner; nmh; driftdiver; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; ...

Check this out............


299 posted on 07/07/2011 5:38:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: tioga

wasn’t it incredible?

the kid is in the laundry bag and garbage bag with tape, and they’re getting distracted with exact cause of death? really?

And how exactly did she get there?
It’s the prosecution’s fault because they could “only” present evidence the child had been dead in the trunk. They must’ve been negligent by not providing video footage.

I think critics are right when they say everyone is expecting a csi show, and let down when they don’t get one.


300 posted on 07/07/2011 5:39:15 AM PDT by Scotswife
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