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Holder Lied: DOJ News Release Shows Obama Admin Approved ATF Mexico Weapons Smuggling
Salem[OR]-News.com ^ | July 10, 2011 | Tom King

Posted on 07/10/2011 6:09:34 AM PDT by libstripper

Eric Holder gave false info. to a Congressional Committee last May about ATF operations tied to the deaths of two U.S. Agents; we have the proof.

(SALEM, Ore.) - New information indicates that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder's actions are squarely behind the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) operation known as "Fast and Furious", which orchestrated the delivery of almost 2,000 weapons to Mexican drug cartels[1].

Holder openly proclaimed his connection to the operation in April 2009 during a publicized speech in Mexico, then told a Congressional Committee in May 2011, "I probably heard of Fast and Furious the first time in the last few weeks."[2]

The ATF weapons smuggling ring involved the arrest of several government officials with the city of Columbus, New Mexico including the mayor and police chief, but that is all[3].

(Excerpt) Read more at salem-news.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batf; bhofascism; castaway; crime; dea; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; ffgate; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; holdertruthfile; mexico; murder; obama; obamatruthfile; treason
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Good article with lots of footnotes and links. Some material we already know and some new material.
1 posted on 07/10/2011 6:09:43 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Very informative. I was not really “up” on the “Fast and Furious” thing. Thanks.


2 posted on 07/10/2011 6:17:52 AM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: libstripper
Bttt.

5.56mm

3 posted on 07/10/2011 6:19:26 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: libstripper
Holder lied. Impeachment (he's impeachable you know) tried.
4 posted on 07/10/2011 6:25:08 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: libstripper

From the article (found it interesting):

Also, as revealed in our recent reports, there are major stores in Mexico of what Robert Plumlee refers to as, ‘high impact weapons’ which include anti-aircraft guns, rocket propelled grenade launchers and mortars. These weapons are of U.S. origin, they are ample and they include the latest and most deadly, the same high tech weaponry currently deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. While not fully tallied, there are reported sites where thousands and thousands of these weapons exist, along with ‘knock-off’ Mexican army uniforms[11].


5 posted on 07/10/2011 6:28:42 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Servant of the Cross

Clinton was impeached, and that really got him for his crimes, you bet.


6 posted on 07/10/2011 6:29:14 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe

This “Gunwalker “ thing is much bigger then Watergate or Iran Contra, but the Media is asleep at the wheel.

Obama is protected by the Media ——for what reason ?

Holder knew it all, he and Obama are behind it.


7 posted on 07/10/2011 6:33:05 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: MikeSteelBe
Nixon was impeached too. I wonder if someone can get John Dean to say that n0bama should be impeached?
8 posted on 07/10/2011 6:34:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

9 posted on 07/10/2011 6:35:37 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: M Kehoe

10 posted on 07/10/2011 6:39:00 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: libstripper

Frustrating. Operation gunrunner IS NOT the same as Operation Fast and Furious. This administration wants us to consider them synonomous but they were not.


11 posted on 07/10/2011 6:39:22 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Venturer

The fact is that early on in this Regime, Hillary shot her mouth off accusing America of sending guns to Mexico. It was a crock and everyone knew it but the gurus of this administration said Hmmmmmm, what if???? With that they made her outlandish statements a reality with Gunrunner. She, Obammy and Holder were in “tinker” mode at the time. They were all intoxicated with passing Obamacare and thought themselves to be invincible. Gunrunner was launched to make the US population look like it was they who were suppliers. Now that they have been caught, it is the media’s job to downplay their antics. What a joke they are.


12 posted on 07/10/2011 6:43:18 AM PDT by Bowtie52
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To: libstripper

I remember when we had the Mexican President Felipe Calderón lecturing the Congress, he mentioned that Mexico got its illegal weapons from the USA on May 20, 2011. Could this be what he was talking about?


13 posted on 07/10/2011 6:43:26 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: MikeSteelBe

Remember Nixon was run out of office over the Watergate break in cover up and NO ONE DIED.


14 posted on 07/10/2011 6:47:21 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: libstripper

Wasn’t some ball player looking at time for less?


15 posted on 07/10/2011 6:47:29 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Durus; RummyChick

I’ve about given up out of the same frustration.

FReeper RummyChick has done FReeperdom a great favor, but I doubt many will heed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2746261/posts?page=76#76


16 posted on 07/10/2011 6:50:30 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: libstripper
There's a real danger of running down a false trail here.

Fast and Furious and Gunrunner are not the same thing.

17 posted on 07/10/2011 6:50:49 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: MestaMachine
add it up:

Honduras? Why would ATF walk guns to Honduras?

and this........

Obama Admin Lobbying Honduras To Allow Zelaya Back In? Are You Kidding?

What could possibly be the motive behind this lunacy?

On the last day of December last year, Manuel “Mel” Zelaya, the deposed Honduran president and self-described victim of high-frequency radiation attacks by Israeli mercenaries, vowed to the press that he would return to Honduras. Few outside of Honduras have paid much attention to Zelaya’s MacArthur-esque prediction, but it has become apparent there is more behind his declaration than his usual hyperbole and bombastic absurdities.

Behind the scenes in the Obama administration there appears to be a concerted effort to pressure the democratically elected government of President Porfirio Lobo to dismiss charges of misappropriation of government funds and falsifying documents that are pending against Zelaya. This would open the door for his return to the country, and would be certain to undermine the delicate process of reestablishing democracy and order that is currently taking place in this poor and beleaguered nation.

When Zelaya was removed from office in July of 2009, the Obama administration at first joined with leftist dictators Fidel Castro of Cuba, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua in calling for his reinstatement. The Obama White House seemed oblivious to the Honduran constitution, as well as the threat Zelaya posed to the stability of the country and the region. When the courageous Honduran people held firm to their democratic constitution and refused to yield to the pressure exerted by the U.S., the Obama administration found no way of saving face other than reversing course and backing the democratic presidential elections called for by their constitution.

The Honduran Connection 7.7.11 Now we know why Hillary Clinton and Obama were falling all over themselves to support and prop-up the Honduran Marxist dictator-wannabe, Manuel Zelaya back in 2009. I never could figure out why they would create such blatantly unflattering, pro-Marxist optics for the Obama regime for a small country like Honduras. Now it all makes perfect sense. Zelaya attempted to overthrow the Honduran constitution and install himself as dictator for life, a la Hugo Chavez. The Honduran Congress AND Supreme Court followed their Constitutional Rule of Law to the letter and removed Zelaya. Within hours Obama and Clinton were threatening Honduras and demanding that the Marxist dictator Zelaya be re-installed. Now we know why. Obama and Clinton were arming Zelaya and were coordinating with Zelaya to run arms through Honduras. Presumably the deal was that some of the arms would stay with Zelaya and most would move into Mexico from the South. Then, Obama and Clinton could "find" U.S. guns in Southern Mexico and Central America, and thus use these optics to bolster their false contention that "90%" of Mexican guns were sourced directly from the U.S. "See? U.S. guns are all the way down in Chiapas State and Guatemala. U.S. guns are everywhere! The Second Amendment simply is not feasible any longer!"

Baby Doc's Back - will Obama Back Aristide?

US revokes visas to pressure Haiti on election

18 posted on 07/10/2011 7:00:09 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: libstripper

I have read this article and others and I am still not able to understand what Gunrunner or Fast and Furious was intended to accomplish. Yes, it they got guns into the hands of the cartels......... then what?


19 posted on 07/10/2011 7:01:56 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: libstripper

If stimulus money was used, doesn’t that mean Joe Biden knew about it since he’s in charge of that money?


20 posted on 07/10/2011 7:03:23 AM PDT by moovova (Obama rolled up his sleeves...and cut 2 strokes off his golf score.)
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To: Elle Bee

Elle Bee, they BELIEVE we are stupid. What’s worse, they believe that there is nothing anyone, even the not so stupids, can do to them for what they do to us.


21 posted on 07/10/2011 7:03:47 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Ditter

Death, mayhem, and an end to the Second Amendment...here... marxist takeovers south of the border.


22 posted on 07/10/2011 7:06:09 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: libstripper
What do Los Zetas say?

Los Zetas Kingpin: We Bought Guns Directly From U.S. Government

23 posted on 07/10/2011 7:12:51 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: libstripper
As others have noted, 'Gunrunner', which Holder was talking about, isn't the same as 'Fast and Furious'. Also, the article is almost incoherent: I get the impression it was written by a True Believer for whom many things are so obvious they don't need to be stated....

Not that I'm defending Holder, who almost certainly knew about 'Gunwalker'. But this isn't the proof that he did, and its fevered tone will only convince the skeptical that his critics are, um, overenthusiastic.

24 posted on 07/10/2011 7:16:08 AM PDT by Grut
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To: MestaMachine
OK you are saying, obozo was hoping that things would get so bad on the Mexican border that people here would accept gun control as a solution. Right? Not gonna happen in Texas!

As far as marxist control over Mexico, the corruption is so bad down there, marxism might be the only thing that could control the country. That would be such a tragedy for the good people of Mexico.

25 posted on 07/10/2011 7:17:14 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

No, marxist control in Honduras for instance. South of Mexico’s southern botder. Guns are walking all over the place down there. And so is hezbullah.


26 posted on 07/10/2011 7:20:45 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Venturer

At this point one needs to honestly wonder if people in the media are not being paid off.

They have ignored scandal after scandal that would have been front page TIMES’ grist for weeks under Bush. Major MSM figures such as the nightly talking heads at the big networks are either incompetent or financially in the tank.

We have moved from a republic to a corporate crony state with the MSM as protectors of the GEs and GMs.


27 posted on 07/10/2011 7:21:19 AM PDT by kjo
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To: kjo

MSM are all Obamabots.


28 posted on 07/10/2011 7:22:48 AM PDT by safetysign
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To: MestaMachine

Surely he *promised* something helpful out of this? “We are supplying weapons to drug cartels so they will........... what?........ Shoot each other? ......... Defective guns so they will blow up in their faces?

I think I am too rational to get it.


29 posted on 07/10/2011 7:26:32 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Mouton

This thing is going to be Watergate on steroids.


30 posted on 07/10/2011 7:40:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yes if the conservatives in congress stand up for the constitution. Which I only hear Issa saying anything. Where is Rush,Glenn,Mark,Sarah,Michelle? Crickets. And the MSM feegetaboutit!


31 posted on 07/10/2011 7:49:48 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yes if the conservatives in congress stand up for the constitution. Which I only hear Issa saying anything. Where is Rush,Glenn,Mark,Sarah,Michelle? Crickets. And the MSM feegetaboutit!


32 posted on 07/10/2011 7:49:50 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: crazydad

Damn Hiccup!


33 posted on 07/10/2011 7:51:21 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: libstripper

This was a criminal act of gun running by the BATFE, organized by the Obama administration. I have no doubt this was an attempt to get the Mexican drug cartels to use these weapons so that the Obama administration could claim we need to clamp down on “the easy access to guns because they are ending up in crimes.” They already made such public comments during that time to prime the PR pump, only to have it all backfire when it became known this is what they did.

This is an impeachable offense by Obama and many top level government officials need to go to prison.


34 posted on 07/10/2011 7:55:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: SpaceBar

Rodger Clemmons a retired baseball player is in a court battle right now being accused of lying to congress in a deposition concerning his possible use of steroids.
Holder lied to a congressional inquiry, he too should be charged and tried.


35 posted on 07/10/2011 8:04:06 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Ditter

ADministration wanted to prove that guns from the u.S.A. were feeding Mexican narco terrorists. They funneled guns to Honduras where they had a buddy in their deposed president (which is why they so wanted him back in power) who took a split of the weapons then passed the majority on to the narco.
Trying to make it look like our 2nd amendment rights were causing the worlds problems and our 2nd amendment was outdated and needed to be overturned for our own good.
Gots to remember 2 years ago Mrs. Clinton promised the U.N. that Americas citizens would be disarmed by this November, 2011.
hey Hill, good luck with that babe.


36 posted on 07/10/2011 8:09:17 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: EverOnward

Holder lied, agents died.


37 posted on 07/10/2011 8:11:06 AM PDT by ully2
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’m hoping this gets out of holder and obammys ability to control.

Love your tag line lady, (go Florida bet Georgia).


38 posted on 07/10/2011 8:12:03 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Joe Boucher

Either you explained it perfectly or I have finally had enough coffee. thanks :D


39 posted on 07/10/2011 8:16:48 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: libstripper

Did Holder and the other liberals in the Obama Administration think “Project Gunrunner” was going to nab white middle-class men conservative men? That IS the only group liberal elites and liberal lowlifes traditionally see as ‘the enemy’...


40 posted on 07/10/2011 8:17:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I’m paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: libstripper

Getting more traction, that’s good. Although I’m still waiting for this to be on the front page of the Philly Inquirer...../crickets/


41 posted on 07/10/2011 8:19:07 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Nixon was impeached too.

Resigned...never proceeded to impeachment.

42 posted on 07/10/2011 8:20:22 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Ditter

I’ve really been reading all I can find on this hoping this is the bugger that brings this evil crew down./


43 posted on 07/10/2011 8:26:14 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Joe Boucher

Good for you and I really thank you for explaining it so this old girl’s brain could comprehend. I am not a devious person and schemes like this don’t come easy for me.


44 posted on 07/10/2011 8:29:11 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: libstripper
This matter requires a Special Prosecutor as soon as possible.
45 posted on 07/10/2011 8:38:06 AM PDT by Rapscallion
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To: EverOnward
...high impact weapons’ which include anti-aircraft guns, rocket propelled grenade launchers and mortars...

Looks to me like the Marxist's in our Government have more than gun control laws up their sleeves. Sounds like arming an invasion to me.

46 posted on 07/10/2011 8:39:43 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Ditter

From what I’ve read, most speculate that it was to prove the existence of an “iron river” of weapons flowing to Mexico from the U.S., thus requiring the imposition of strict new gun laws in the U.S. in violation of the Second Amendment.


47 posted on 07/10/2011 8:41:48 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: kjo

yes...lock and load because the final assault and attempted take over is coming.


48 posted on 07/10/2011 8:43:53 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Resigned...never proceeded to impeachment.

Nixon was actually impeached (that means "charged") by a vote in the House of Representatives. Other charges were being considered.

Rather than let it go to trial in the US Senate, Nixon resigned from the presidency.

I was there. It was an amazing but heartbreaking (for America)constitutional crisis.

49 posted on 07/10/2011 8:44:33 AM PDT by Rapscallion
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To: Rapscallion

Nixon was not impeached.


50 posted on 07/10/2011 8:45:40 AM PDT by Chandalier (Obama is a Chicken Hawk!)
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