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It Is Time To Burn Mitch McConnell In Effigy. He Goes Pontius Pilate On the Debt Ceiling.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/12/it-is-time-to-burn-mitch-mcconnell-in-effigy-he-goes-pontius-pilate-on-the-debt-ceiling/ ^ | Erik Erickson

Posted on 07/12/2011 12:04:21 PM PDT by Windy City Conservative

Mitch McConnell is right now talking about making a historic capitulation. So fearful of being blamed for a default, McConnell is proposing a compromise that lets Barack Obama raise the debt ceiling without making any spending cuts at all.

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We know something like this would happen, didn't we?
1 posted on 07/12/2011 12:04:28 PM PDT by Windy City Conservative
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To: Windy City Conservative

I think the Republicans are French.................


2 posted on 07/12/2011 12:05:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: Windy City Conservative

It Is Time To Burn Mitch McConnell In Effigy. He Goes Pontius Pilate On the Debt Ceiling.

Mitch McConnell Just Proposed the “Pontius Pilate Pass the Buck Act of 2011”
Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Tuesday, July 12th at 2:35PM EDT

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Mitch McConnell is right now talking about making a historic capitulation. So fearful of being blamed for a default, McConnell is proposing a compromise that lets Barack Obama raise the debt ceiling without making any spending cuts at all.

Consider sending McConnell a weasel as testament to his treachery. His address is 601 W. Broadway, Room 630, Louisville, KY 40202 and the phone number is (502) 582-6304.

McConnell’s idea is to make the debt ceiling automatic unless Congress, by a 2/3 vote blocks the increase. Oh yes, he put a salve on it by dressing it up in tough talk that, to quote the Wall Street Journal, “[a] ‘eal solution’ to U.S. fiscal problems isn’t possible as long as President Barack Obama remains in office.” So since no “real solution” is possible, McConnell proposes to go Pontius Pilate and wash his hands of spending, blaming Obama while doing nothing himself.

Here is how the plan would work.

In a nutshell, the President would get to raise the debt ceiling three times in the next year at several billion bucks a pop without making any spending cuts unless two-thirds of both houses of Congress disagree. In his press conference, McConnell says he would not give the President “unilateral authority to make spending cuts on his own,” but this plan would allow the President to raise the debt ceiling pretty much automatically.As the Politico notes,

Senate Republicans are actively pursuing a new plan under which the debt ceiling would grow in three increments over the remainder of this Congress unless lawmakers approve a veto-proof resolution of disapproval.

In effect lawmakers would be surrendering the very power of approval that the GOP has used to force the debt crisis now. But by taking the disapproval route, Republicans can shift the onus more onto the White House and Democrats since a two-thirds majority will be needed to stop any increase that President Barack Obama requests.

Yes, instead of putting the burden on the White House, McConnell would make it damn near impossible to block a debt ceiling increase. We’ve seen this before. The House once had the Gephardt rule that required the debt ceiling vote be attached to a more popular measure so members of Congress could escape a tough vote.

Consequently, the debt ceiling has gone up to $14 trillion without Congress ever having to make a tough choice about debt.

And now Mitch McConnell wants to make it even easier by allowing Congress to go through a dog and pony show of feigned cuts that never get cut while allowing escalation of our national debt. So much for accusing Barack Obama of smoke and mirrors.

2014 cannot come soon enough to destroy the political future of this weasel.

Consider sending McConnell a weasel as testament to his treachery. His address is 601 W. Broadway, Room 630, Louisville, KY 40202 and the phone number is (502) 582-6304.


3 posted on 07/12/2011 12:08:19 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Windy City Conservative
I think that a lot of Republican politicians don't belong in phylum chordate....
4 posted on 07/12/2011 12:09:12 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Unbelievable. Just when I start thinking the republicans might stand up to Obama...


5 posted on 07/12/2011 12:09:15 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Windy City Conservative

The site is defective. The entire top of the frame goes black and you can’t read the text. THAT’S why you avoid unnecessary excerpts to blogs. They are often retarded as far as readability.


6 posted on 07/12/2011 12:09:59 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Windy City Conservative

This is so disappointing.


7 posted on 07/12/2011 12:10:16 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (To paraphrase Sarah Palin: "I love when the liberals get all wee-wee'd up.")
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To: Larry Lucido
avoid unnecessary excerpts to blogs. They are often retarded

Lol. So true. :-)

8 posted on 07/12/2011 12:11:59 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Windy City Conservative

McConnell needs to be thrown out of office.


9 posted on 07/12/2011 12:12:30 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Larry Lucido
As the Politico notes,

All I needed to read. Will hold further opinion until I see what happens.
10 posted on 07/12/2011 12:13:27 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Clueless showpieces at the top; a whole lot of unelected second-tier "staffers" running the show)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Huh! Did not McConnell just say “real solution is not possible while Obama is President” or something to that effect. So who is correct?


11 posted on 07/12/2011 12:13:54 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Windy City Conservative
This is what passes as news these days? (harrumph!)

Now "man bites dog" is REAL news.

12 posted on 07/12/2011 12:14:26 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-________ Overdrive 2012 - Holy Flippin' Crap!!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
I think this poster is jumping the gun. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor don't seem to be backing down. Obama keeps insisting on tax hikes and the Republicans don't seem to be caving. I think the McConnell deal this poster is talking about is one that Obama won't agree to.
13 posted on 07/12/2011 12:15:13 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Windy City Conservative

Why just in effigy?


14 posted on 07/12/2011 12:17:51 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Windy City Conservative

The inevitable outcome of any “negotiation” in DC: The Democrats propose to tear down the Washington Monument, and the Republicans respond with a plan to do it in three stages.


15 posted on 07/12/2011 12:18:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The tea party was and is about the right to govern ourselves, according to natural right.)
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To: LaybackLenny

Some internet poster blogged so it must be true. /s


16 posted on 07/12/2011 12:19:29 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Larry Lucido

it’s not defective.What you are seeing ..or can’t see..is an ad...it is in black..and at the top it says continue on to the site..and yes, I don’t like them either.


17 posted on 07/12/2011 12:20:03 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: EternalVigilance

The truth


18 posted on 07/12/2011 12:21:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Get the rope.


19 posted on 07/12/2011 12:22:34 PM PDT by crosshairs (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

What? No way. I’m gonna have to see it in writng, signed and notarized before I make any assumptions based on some verbal blathering at a press conference before I’ll pass judgement. If this is true, as redstate.com describes it, here is the only explanation: The senate leadership must think there is no way they will not be blamed if there is a democrat-orchestrated shutdown, and they must capitulate because anything other than total capitulation would lead to the feared shutdown, in which case the consequences to the republicans because of the shutdown would be worse than the consequences from capitulation. At least, that is the only explanation I can think of.


20 posted on 07/12/2011 12:22:34 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Windy City Conservative
"We know something like this would happen, didn't we?"

Of course we did ... but McConnell is simply being practical. If the country defaults, Obama and his media lapdogs will place the blame squarely on the republicans and Obama waltzes to re-election. Today Obama played the "Social Security Checks won't go out!" card (so much for the concept of a trust fund!). McConnell has simply come to the realization (in my view, correct) that real reform WILL NOT happen with Obama in the White House and the long term solution is to get Obama out of the White House.

The republicans are merely doling out enough rope for zero to well and truly hang himself.

21 posted on 07/12/2011 12:22:51 PM PDT by In Maryland ("The Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers." -Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: In Maryland

I hope so. I really hope so. But this is what Obama wanted to start with. A clean bill raising the debt limit. If that is what Mitch is doing he should be removed from leadership today.


22 posted on 07/12/2011 12:25:56 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

If true Palin will go 3rd party and I will join up. That would be the death of the GOP. I do not believe this is true. Even the GOP is not that stupid.


23 posted on 07/12/2011 12:28:01 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: utahagen
-- I think the McConnell deal this poster is talking about is one that Obama won't agree to. --

The OP reads as though the automatic debt limit increase proposal is still behind closed doors, if it exists at all.

24 posted on 07/12/2011 12:30:00 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RummyChick

My theory is that an ad that blocks text you are reading is a defect. Reflective of the defective brains that created the ad and configured the site. :-)

Kind like inviting folks over for dinner, and then putting the tablecloth OVER the meal.


25 posted on 07/12/2011 12:36:49 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Windy City Conservative
We know something like this would happen, didn't we?

Far from it.

Do you often post "news" items without direct quotes?

26 posted on 07/12/2011 12:37:33 PM PDT by Justice
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To: Windy City Conservative
Hemlock would be so extreme but I do have some Pepcid.

Guess I'll be chasing Pepcid after dinner.

I know we kind of thought something like this might happen. Maybe he has something up his sleeve.

27 posted on 07/12/2011 12:38:44 PM PDT by hummingbird (Help keep Guam from tilting...still not tilting...)
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To: screaminsunshine

No, there won’t be a 3rd party.

What there will be is a shift among GOP voters. Any GOP candidate that is seen as a “politician” (Romney, Pawlenty, even Perry) will be dead as voters realize they can’t even trust the conservative politicians to stand firm.

Bachmann, Cain, even Paul will pick up significant support.


28 posted on 07/12/2011 12:42:39 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows computers, math, missiles, banking, burgers, pizza, gospel music, & Coca-Cola)
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To: Justice

Ugghhh. I just read it on Drudge. It is true. I predicted a cave in but I did not think it would be so easy. Goodbye GOP. Hello Tea Party.


29 posted on 07/12/2011 12:44:42 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Every time Congress enacts ANY kind of measure that allows anything to happen automatically, unless another Congress intervenes to stop it is (1) an abdication of their own authority and power under the Constitution by which they and they alone make the laws and the budget (2) and it ties the hands of future Congresses with super-majority vote requirements needed to stop what an earlier Congress made automatic, by a simple majority.

It is always bad law and allows abdication of their proper role as the legislature, not the rubber stamp.


30 posted on 07/12/2011 12:45:27 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: bwc2221
Why just in effigy?

Why just McConnell?

31 posted on 07/12/2011 12:45:43 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: screaminsunshine

where is it on Drudge..can you provide a link to the story..I am not finding it.


32 posted on 07/12/2011 12:47:10 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Brookhaven

I want nothing to do with the GOP. To be in the party is to be compromised. What do they have to do hit you in the head with a bat? In person? Not me. I would rather go down fighting if I go down.


33 posted on 07/12/2011 12:47:21 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: RummyChick

The headline story about Obama. It is in it.


34 posted on 07/12/2011 12:48:16 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: screaminsunshine

here it is

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/12/mitch-mcconnell-debt-ceiling-plan_n_896254.html


35 posted on 07/12/2011 12:49:20 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: screaminsunshine

It would be more helpful if you actually provide a link to the story. I still don’t see it on Drudge. But I did find the story elsewhere.


36 posted on 07/12/2011 12:51:21 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Is your head spinning yet?? They are worse than even I thought they were.


37 posted on 07/12/2011 12:52:02 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Mitch is a tired, worn out, brain-dead, old white man who outlived his usefulness as a politician sometime back in the Middle Ages, and no longer appeals to anyone.

It is also true that while holding the title of "Head Rino In Charge Of Other Rinos" in the senate, he must still get cooperation from the House to move forward with anything.

It is up to us to pressure those elected last November to stand tall and firm and resist any deals "brokered" by the "HRICOOR".

Good luck Mitch-y, yer gonna need it. And by November of 2012, you can fade away to enjoy all the perks you've voted for yourself. Kentucky will have to find a true conservative replacement for you.

And the way we'll know that we've found the ideal candidate is if you refuse to endorse him/her. Kind of a "seal of approval" don'tchaknow!

38 posted on 07/12/2011 12:52:50 PM PDT by Logic n' Reason (Generosity is for people who can afford it.)
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To: RummyChick

The bill would require the president to recommend spending cuts — without revenue-raisers — in the same amounts of a debt ceiling increase request, although actually passing the cuts would not be necessary to raise the debt limit.


39 posted on 07/12/2011 12:54:03 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: screaminsunshine

this is an interesting take on it

“The novelty of McConnell’s plan made those on Capitol Hill more pessimistic, moving genuine fears of default from the fringe to closer to center stage.”


40 posted on 07/12/2011 12:55:39 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

- Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell proposed a “backup plan” on Tuesday that would allow a divided Congress to raise the debt ceiling with just the votes of Democrats.

The complicated legislative maneuver would avert an imminent default and let Republicans wash their hands of the politically toxic issue.

As outlined by McConnell, President Barack Obama would formally request an increase in the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling, which Congress would reject through a “resolution of disapproval.”

Obama would then veto that resolution and send it back to Congress. If Congress failed to muster the two-thirds vote needed to override a veto, the debt ceiling would effectively be lifted by the amount Obama had requested.

Obama and congressional leaders have failed so far to come up with a budget deal that could pass both the Republican-controlled House of Representatives and the Democratic-controlled Senate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/12/us-usa-debt-backup-idUSTRE76B5Y920110712


41 posted on 07/12/2011 12:56:45 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
The complicated legislative maneuver would avert an imminent default and let Republicans wash their hands of the politically toxic issue.
"Smoke and mirrors," from the guy who just accused Obama of the same.
42 posted on 07/12/2011 1:04:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RummyChick

It will end the GOP. Period. It is awful. All that work to get them in for this. Disgusting. There is no way to spin it.


43 posted on 07/12/2011 1:11:08 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: screaminsunshine

The Republican’s reputation proceeds them. The only question remaining is when and how. I posted in response to one member here shortly after the 2010 election that now [then] would be a good time for the Tea Party to begin separating from the Republicans. A number of respondees said that we needed the Republicans. As the Republican Party draws closer to the Democrats, is that still the case?


44 posted on 07/12/2011 1:17:52 PM PDT by sport
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To: screaminsunshine
-- There is no way to spin it. --

McConnell already spun it. He says raising the debt limit is the responsible thing to do (to avert default), but no way will the GOP be responsible for raising the debt limit.

The root of the problem is still Congress, which passed the spending legislation. It's not as though Obama is going to be spending money that Congress didn't authorize be spent.

See too McConnell unveils debt limit `Plan B'

45 posted on 07/12/2011 1:21:24 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Windy City Conservative
Wall Street Journal has the plan:

It is as stated by this poster. A total cave in.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303678704576441833014116822.htm
46 posted on 07/12/2011 1:24:05 PM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Codeflier
Oops...try this... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303678704576441833014116822.html
47 posted on 07/12/2011 1:25:50 PM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Make him pay in the next election. He saw his pal McBackstabber come out okay in his election. Had John not been re-elected Mitch would not be doing this.

The Rinos join the DNC in loving the idea of raising taxes and keeping Federal power as big and unconstitutional as they can make it. They are regressives.

However, ole Mitch is in the Senate and the Senate Rinos have already let it be known they love Barack and hate the Tea Party.


48 posted on 07/12/2011 1:43:10 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Windy City Conservative

Hold your powder. Just because some blog reports it, doesn’t mean it’s true. I hope it isn’t true but I’ll hold off judgement for now.


49 posted on 07/12/2011 1:44:54 PM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: tips up

Now would be a good time to ask Obama to release his records proving him to be eligible to be the POTUS. Or include that requirement in the bill. Time to play hardball.


50 posted on 07/12/2011 2:04:36 PM PDT by IM2MAD
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