Skip to comments.ATF loses track of 1,400 guns in criticized probe
Posted on 07/12/2011 6:28:22 PM PDT by Nachum
(CNN) -- Federal agents can't account for more than 1,400 guns after a widely criticized operation aimed at tracing the flow of weapons to Mexican drug gangs, sources with knowledge of the investigation tell CNN.
Of 2,020 guns involved in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives probe dubbed "Operation Fast and Furious," 363 have been recovered in the United States and 227 have been recovered in Mexico. That leaves 1,430 guns unaccounted for, the sources said.
The ATF operation was intended to build cases against Mexican drug cartels by allowing firearms to go from the United States into Mexico. The hope was by tracing the guns in Mexico, agents would be able to determine the structure of various cartels and then bring them down.
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I wonder if they’re being honest here.
my guess is that they are in Mexico.
Lamestreamers finally being dragged kicking and screaming to the story.
That, of course, is complete BS. The ATF operation was intended to build the case for expanding limitations on the rights of US citizens to purchase and own firearms.
Check the local Communist Party of Mexico Headquarters.
Speaking of that...
That’s bs. CNN is putting this story out to help Obama and Holder.
The ATF and Obama never intended for these guns to be tracked or accounted for. CNN knows that.
A competent law enforcement would have had a strategy. With the quality of leadership in the BATF they create operations based on hope. I tend to think it was not about hope or cartels.
How did CNN stumble into a slice of reality?
The story is now big enough that CNN and AP, and others are being called on to "manage" it by pretending there was a legitimate justification for arming drug cartels.
I thought that once too, That the whole thing was to give Obama a chance to tak a shot at the 2nd. Amendment. Now I am not so sure.
I believe now that Obama’s shot at the 2nd. Amendment was just a happy happenstance of supplying the Cartels with guns, and that the drug deals and money paid off to American CIA and who knows who in American politics was the real reason.
I believe this thing if properly investigatd goes to the top and will make Watergate look like a Grade school field trip.
Wow - CNN - whodathunkit?!
They lost track of all the 2020 guns. The ones they have accounted for include those already used in murders and other crimes. CNN made a good effort to minimize the story, but it still is ugly.
My gut tells me that 1400 is a little low.
One would be foolish to take anything this administration says at face value.
Except stuff like this; he’s telling the truth here:
Obama: my administration is most pro-gay in history
WASHINGTON, D.C., July 12, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) President Barack Obama again vowed his fidelity to the homosexual lobby at a White House reception in honor of LGBT pride month, boasting that his administration has done more than any other president to advance their cause.
This administration, under my direction has consistently said we cannot discriminate as a country against people on the basis of sexual orientation, and we have done more in the two-and-a-half years I have been in here than the previous 43 presidents to uphold that principle, said Obama at a news conference June 29, the day of the reception...
You are of course correct. One wonders if CCN’s reporter is just stupid or is he and CCN complicit in the attempt to void the Second Amendment. I believe the second proposition is the case.
This was a CIA op. Multiple cartels have gotten guns from this program. One jailed cartel leader says he was a CIA asset. He isn’t allowed to speak to anyone but his attorney and jailers above a certain rank. They rotate him between 4 cells.
Holder may have been told to let those guns walk.
I am not excusing anyone...but if you read the colums from the two people who broke this story..it is clear the CIA was involved with this.
It is possible it was put in place by Holder and CIA saw an opportunity.
My favorite quote so far is from Michael Levine:
“Running guns into Mexico into the hands of criminals? There can be no objective to this but death, and lots of it.
The events in Operation Fast and Furious are eerily identical to those surrounding the arrest of General Ramon Guillen Davila, a CIA asset who was [indicted for] smuggling a ton of cocaine into the US [in] 1996, in what was described as an intelligence gathering operation, the problem being that no intelligence was ever gathered and that the ton was only one of many other similar shipments of cocaine that actually hit the streets of the U.S. by way of CIA agents.
If I were a criminal profiler, it wouldnt take much to identify a CIA pattern here [with Fast and Furious]: A wacko, barroom commando, illegal operation that makes no sense whatsoever, run outside the control of law enforcement”
We're getting somewhere.
If this were a Republican problem...HEADS WOULD ROLL.
Damn, I’ve never lost track of that many guns.
And I’m sure that the solution from Obama/BATFE/Holder will be that we stupid, bitter clingers need...MORE GUN CONTROL.
We'd be seeing nonstop, graphic footage of dead Mexican children with gunshot wounds.
When the furor dies down a bit, they’ll release the real number. Just a guess, but I’d be willing to bet that the “real number” is roughly a factor of ten larger than the current number.
Yet another rule..............
Issa has named names . The Dirty Dozen.
Media can’t stop this...
And even after his scheme was exposed, he still has the IN YOUR FACE gall to do JUST that TODAY with another of his fiats = ah, Executive Orders.
Didja all miss it? (worries me that even Freepers, who know the game, don't seem to be aware that he is not slowing down his plan even as the scandal is breaking all around him.)
He just pretends this is totally unconnected. And he knows 96% of America will swallow it.
“Through an Executive Order, the Obama administration is implementing new restrictions on the sale of certain weapons in border states, and increasing the penalties for violating certain firearms laws.”
363 guns recovered in the United States and 227 - a much smaller number in Mexico. Holder's enemy list seems to include: white middle class, middle aged men who cling to guns and religion; legal gun owners; the second amendment, and citizens who legally sell guns - oh and Mexican cartels ...
Didn't we hear today that the ATF wants gun dealers to report those who purchase two or more guns in a five day period?
I can't seem to find a link, but heard that on Rush,
Gun Control is what this is all about.
If not, they're in rented storage lockers near federal office buildings, or maybe just stored in the basement. They're just laying low until this little flap blows over, and then they start walking again.
Another possibility is that the 2000+ weapons, made by legal purchase because of federal fiat, have also been walked to elsewhere in Central America to show fraternal solidarity with comrade Huge-o Chavez. On large transactions like this, 90% of the items are intended for the CIA, with other agencies buying in to provide cover.
If the feds can't restart this program, they'll just let all the badges in on this scam "walk" one or two home with them as a well-deserved bonus. After all, these are legally-purchased weapons (as long as they stay in the US), due to the on-the-spot permission they gave. They are not on any hotlist as stolen or contraband.
Can't buy this excuse... it's too lame even for the MSM to buy it ... The guns did NOT have tracking devices on them ... if they did this excuse might fly for an hour or two. But that wasn't the case. I doubt they fired all the guns so they could do a comparison and see how many of our brave border patrol people were shot with what gun... given to what cartel. So the 'agents trying to determine structure of various cartels is bull...a lie, a fabrication, wool being pulled over eyes...crap - even too stupid for the MSM to swallow.
Come on....I see no problem...
Just thinking out loud here—Let’s reflect:
January 2009, Obama is named “Gun Salesman of the Year”
Angry and petulant, Obama responds in March 2009, new ATF Director Melson is appointed and Project Gunnrunner “evolves” into Fast & Furious; and Drug cartels, not Americans, get firearms from the U.S. government.
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Someone at cnn is about to lose their job.
Not playing by the rules here.
must cover for the one.