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Michele Bachmann Should Not 'Get a Pass' on Past Membership in Anti-Catholic Church
Catholic Online ^ | 7/17/2011 | Deacon Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 07/17/2011 1:06:48 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads

The news and blogosphere is filled with responses to the July 14, 2011 story by Joshua Green, the Senior Editor of the Atlantic, entitled "Michele Bachmann's Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist." That is because it raises a serious matter which should not be taken lightly, and one which the candidate must address. First, let me share some personal context. I am what is often called a "revert" to the Catholic Church, someone who returned to the Church of my childhood after a long search for the truth. I love being a Catholic Christian. I hold an undergraduate degree and a master's degree in Catholic theology. I am a dissertation away from obtaining a PhD in Catholic Moral Theology. I am also a member of the Clergy, a Deacon. However, I write this article as a private and very concerned citizen.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antichrist; bachmann; bachmann4obama; catholic; catholicism; catholics; catholics4obama; frfullofsleepers; michelebachmann; palin; papism; sarahpalin
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To: ex-snook

Is this not largely a self-selection process? Some notable conservative GOP luminaries like Boehner are reputed to be faithful Roman Catholics. Why hasn’t Boehner even made noises about it?


101 posted on 07/17/2011 1:52:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Texas Fossil

WHY do you people insist on hammering on something this stupid?


Could it have something to do with them not supporting the candidate in question?


102 posted on 07/17/2011 1:52:27 PM PDT by deport
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To: Brices Crossroads

In Congress, Catholic Democrats outnumber Catholic Republicans more than 2-1. Catholics are far over-represented in Congress in comparison to their percentage of the whole population. We’ve seen more than enough of that in government.


103 posted on 07/17/2011 1:52:54 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I don't think Jerry Brown is a Jesuit...

Anyway, there are tons of bad people in all faiths, and good people in all (most?) faiths as well. I'll vote for Bachmann is given the opportunity.

104 posted on 07/17/2011 1:53:19 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: BipolarBob
And the Catholic Church does really really hold fast to traditions NOT in the Bible.

You could fill a book with those.
105 posted on 07/17/2011 1:53:29 PM PDT by crosshairs (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: RitaOK

“I’d like to know how you justify supporting Bachman over Santorum, since he is every bit as conservative as she and devout in his faith despite the costs.”

Not to mention that he has won state wide races twice, which MB never did.


106 posted on 07/17/2011 1:53:29 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
"So this means you hate all non-Catholics, huh?"

Now did I say that? I certainly feel sorry for you, and pray for you, and pity you, but hate you? Nah. Not worth the effort.

107 posted on 07/17/2011 1:55:21 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: jtal
Even in the officially anti-Catholic church...

EVEN some Catholic clergy are anti-Catholics... let's not forget this... some them are in jail for it...

108 posted on 07/17/2011 1:55:40 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Celtic Cross

So do you think I’m going to hell?


109 posted on 07/17/2011 1:56:58 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: sinanju
They do it every four years. The lib media rushes to their reference books and researches denominational differences so they can start playing “Make the ‘Christers’ Fight”.

Absolutely correct. Now is not the time to debate theology. There is an expression of faith, not of dogma, but of the values that are essential for a free and moral society. This is where all people of faith can and should agree. The enemy is the secular State and the Statists that want to fundamentally change the genetic code of our founding ideals.

110 posted on 07/17/2011 1:57:37 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Wouldn’t you like to know.


111 posted on 07/17/2011 1:57:45 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Texas Fossil
The battle with the Lefties will be a lot more effective if you don’t continually try to stir up nonsense division of our ranks.

Indeed! I can't figure out why this keeps happening over and over again.


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112 posted on 07/17/2011 1:58:00 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: RitaOK
She raises her Synod for twenty years over your Shepherd who is the anti-Christ, so what does that make you?

Mee-OW!

Catholics so often insist on reading Catholic ways of doing things into evangelical congregations and then flog the straw man that results. A Lutheran is far less likely to preface a moral comment with "my synod says" (in fact it is almost unheard of -- it's almost always "according to the bible") than a Catholic to preface an analogous remark with "the pope says."

113 posted on 07/17/2011 1:58:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Of course this is not true but the Catholic teaching has been that all non-Catholics are going to hell.


Don’t know where that comes from but the official Catechism of the Catholic Church states [61] “Believing in Jesus Christ and the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for receiving that salvation.” That’s the catholic teaching.


114 posted on 07/17/2011 1:58:30 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Mr. K
Lets let the muslim kenyan stay in office

You mean the secret Muslim who attended the Black Liberation Theology Church of the Jew-and-ALL-Things-American variety?

115 posted on 07/17/2011 1:58:32 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

“... want to hear her explain it. The clock is ticking....”

Yes, because we have screeds like this posted on FR:

“Ya don’t like that?
Take it up with The Heavenly Father.

. . . not the pretender in the Vatican.”

or this gem:

“The Vatican Cult’s

—Rubberized history;
—Rubberized early church writers;
—Rubberized ‘logic’
—Daffynitionary”

I have no intention of voting for Bachman. She can’t win and frankly, she’s a flake in her interviews.

~Her association with the WELS notwithstanding.

The Know-Nothing inclination is alive and well in 2011.


116 posted on 07/17/2011 1:58:56 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: muir_redwoods

To one degree or another, isn’t every Protestant church at least a little anti-Catholic? Would they just be Catholics if they weren’t?


I have been both Catholic & Protestant. They both think the other is not going to heaven.


117 posted on 07/17/2011 1:58:59 PM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: ex-snook

Make that 161 of the Catechism.


118 posted on 07/17/2011 1:59:54 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Personally, I've never heard a Catholic say "The pope says..."

The only people I've heard say "The pope says..." are protestants, who then proceed to say something the pope never said.

119 posted on 07/17/2011 2:00:09 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Mr. K

Uh. This is an issue. She needs to explain why she attended a church that flat committed blasphemy against the Catholic church. I want to hear her explanation before I vote for her.


120 posted on 07/17/2011 2:00:17 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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This crap is as absurd as when the left goes dumpster diving into a candidates past to find a Confederate flag connection they can attach to them to justify calling them racist....which they were going to do anyway.


121 posted on 07/17/2011 2:00:41 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“I hate all Catholics because they say I’m going to hell because I am not Catholic”

Sorry, I cannot join you in your hate-fest, I follow Jesus Christ and He loves them AND us. I bet you didn’t mean to use such a strong word anyways, am I corect?


122 posted on 07/17/2011 2:00:49 PM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: AdamBomb
Uh. This is an issue. She needs to explain why she attended a church that flat committed blasphemy against the Catholic church. I want to hear her explanation before I vote for her.

Right after liberal HATE America most Catholics explain themselves.

123 posted on 07/17/2011 2:03:03 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Celtic Cross
I'd love to see a Catholic GOP nominee, but I don't see it happening this round. Bachmann stopped attending that anti-Catholic Church two years ago, so she clearly didn't do it with the prez bid in mind. Thats good enough for me.
Yes, I concur, and I wish it was Bobby Jindal. That being said Santorum is Catholic, but I guess he doesn't have the quantities interested? I love his pro-life message. As far as Bachmann, I enjoyed this article as I didn't know exactly what was going on, but, regardless, I don't see Michele Bachmann as being anti-Catholic, no matter what her faith professed. (In other words, do ALL Lutherans know that Luther depicted the Pope being borne from a she-devil's a**hole?) Michele will have to explain, and she will. And after she does, someone could hand her a pamphlet explaining RCIA, or mail her the link to Catholics Come Home, with a CC to Sarah as well. :)
124 posted on 07/17/2011 2:03:56 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Grunthor
She did use such strong words. Post #89.

I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked.

125 posted on 07/17/2011 2:04:44 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Mr. K

-AGAIN- with this nerd’s article! I don’t like MB much at this point, but this cheese weasel’s -very- selective ‘concern’ article and feeble hatchet job makes me spew. I detest this sort of mewling puke. About 1/3 of the article is this gentle, concerned person admiring himself in the mirror, and praising himself for his great heart and tolerance.


126 posted on 07/17/2011 2:05:07 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Mr. K

Meanwhile, Barry’s 20-year membership in an anit-American and anti-white church is no big deal.


127 posted on 07/17/2011 2:05:30 PM PDT by Carling (At some point, those surrounding Obama have to realize that they are working for a psychopath)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Why hasn’t Boehner even made noises about it?


Maybe he is afraid he would be condemned as a supporter of the anti-Christ.


128 posted on 07/17/2011 2:05:30 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Brices Crossroads

All too true, but what Donohue (whom I generally respect) and the others are doing is stupidly destructive. From a policy point of view, a Bachman presidency would advance the major social objectives of the Church. If we get mired in what Roman Catholics and Protestants have said about each over since the the Thirty Years War, Obamalini and his friends will be thrilled. Bachman poses no threat at all to the Church. Dohohue should have been smart enough to figure this out - and he normally is very shrewd.


129 posted on 07/17/2011 2:05:36 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: AdamBomb

Anything which isn’t the Genuine(TM) Roman Catholic Church would be “flat committing such blasphemies.” You might as well say you will only vote for a Roman Catholic in good standing. That’s your choice, but if it gets your and yours more Obama rule that’s your responsibility.


130 posted on 07/17/2011 2:05:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I hate all Catholics because they say I’m going to hell because I am not Catholic.

Oh, THAT's a real Christian statement.

Of course this is not true but the Catholic teaching has been that all non-Catholics are going to hell.

No one knows where they are going upon the flesh's passing. We Catholics certainly don't. This morning, the priest's homily was very much about this and he said, isn't it wonderful that only God will be our judge on that matter. It's true. We just have to live by His commands and hope that our sins are forgiven when the time comes.

131 posted on 07/17/2011 2:06:06 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Mr. K

Who cares what her church says? It is Lutheran/ think Martin Luther. But guess what? The Reformation has been settled, pretty much, and there are bigger threats on the horizon than rehashing which Protestant Church stands for what.

We are Catholic converts after 20 years in various Protestant churches. We loved our time as Protestants, learned so much, and are so happy to be Catholic. This just is what it is, about some of the Protestants. It’s nothing to what the Mormons really believe, and NONE of that holds a candle to what Obama and his Slimy Ilk believe. THAT is the fight we need to fight.

I personally do not care if Michelle B and I agree theologically. I want a leader with common sense in the Oval Office.

Dang, I think this in-fighting is so destructive. Towards what possible end does it work?


132 posted on 07/17/2011 2:06:18 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Mr. K

Who cares what her church says? It is Lutheran/ think Martin Luther. But guess what? The Reformation has been settled, pretty much, and there are bigger threats on the horizon than rehashing which Protestant Church stands for what.

We are Catholic converts after 20 years in various Protestant churches. We loved our time as Protestants, learned so much, and are so happy to be Catholic. This just is what it is, about some of the Protestants. It’s nothing to what the Mormons really believe, and NONE of that holds a candle to what Obama and his Slimy Ilk believe. THAT is the fight we need to fight.

I personally do not care if Michelle B and I agree theologically. I want a leader with common sense in the Oval Office.

Dang, I think this in-fighting is so destructive. Towards what possible end does it work?


133 posted on 07/17/2011 2:06:35 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: ex-snook

Somehow that hypothetical threat didn’t keep him from running for Congress.


134 posted on 07/17/2011 2:07:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Mr. K
Michele Bachmann Should Not 'Get a Pass' on Past Membership in Anti-Catholic Church

With the abundance of pedophilic priests and their destructive effect, the Catholic Church sure doesn't need the likes of Michelle Bachmann to be a detraction.

135 posted on 07/17/2011 2:07:55 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: kozanne

You have one of those middle sons too? You mean there’s hope? ;-)


136 posted on 07/17/2011 2:08:13 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Celtic Cross
I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous is this whole debate. I happen to be LCMS and I certainly do not believe in the papacy but also believe Catholics go to Heaven if they believe in the same creed as I.

Brice only wanted to stir up trouble when this whole thing had been debated to death.

I don't care what religion someone is when it comes to deciding who will get my vote. I have far more in common with my Catholic friends and relatives than I do with some in my own church.

137 posted on 07/17/2011 2:09:52 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: bboop
I personally do not care if Michelle B and I agree theologically. I want a leader with common sense in the Oval Office. Dang, I think this in-fighting is so destructive. Towards what possible end does it work?

AMEN! If the Kenyan Marxist stays in office none of this will matter.

138 posted on 07/17/2011 2:10:05 PM PDT by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment?)
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To: All
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139 posted on 07/17/2011 2:10:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Grunthor

You are correct and it is stupid to continue to stir this pot.


140 posted on 07/17/2011 2:11:35 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Brices Crossroads

I’m reading through this thread wondering, “Did anybody read the Gospel this morning????????”


141 posted on 07/17/2011 2:11:35 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I agree.


142 posted on 07/17/2011 2:12:18 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Desdemona

Me me! I did!


143 posted on 07/17/2011 2:13:02 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

” like Boehner are reputed to be faithful Roman Catholics. Why hasn’t Boehner even made noises about it? “ <<<

Actually, he has not had much time to evangelize, but on several occasions (some tearful) he refers to his faith and named a Catholic priest to the office of chaplain, a first for the lower House I heard.


144 posted on 07/17/2011 2:13:37 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: Brices Crossroads
It has been picked up by Bill Donohue of the Catholic League, who is very tenacious.

Unlike you, he isn't jealousy of Bachmann, looking to hold a grudge and believes she has sufficiently renounced anti-Catholicism:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/07/michele_bachmanns_reverend_wri.html

"I believe [Bachmann] has in the past condemned anti-Catholicism."

Why not just come clean and admit you're trying to undermine Bachmann's candidacy because you're a Palin supporter. You'd at least come off as more honest that way.

145 posted on 07/17/2011 2:14:34 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: Texas Fossil
I am not supporting Bachmann for Pres.....

Fine, that's your choice. Others here may want to discuss her pros and cons before deciding.

This is not a debate, it is a cheap shot by some to continually stir the water.

This is whatever any Freeper wants it to be. Those who want to debate this will debate it. Those who want to bash MB will bash her.

This must stop. It is stupid.

With all due respect, this is a forum. No one is going to stop because you say it must. I'm all for vetting the GOP hopefuls now, rather than wait for the Dems and MSM to bring all of this up in 2012.

146 posted on 07/17/2011 2:14:45 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: ex-snook

In 1964 I was proud to vote for William Miller, the Catholic running mate for VP on the GOP ticket with Barry Goldwater. As an Evangelical Christian, it never occurred to me to vote for or against him because of his religion.


147 posted on 07/17/2011 2:15:32 PM PDT by Upbeat
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To: Celtic Cross
This Fournier guy is a trouble maker. There was no other reason to post this. What does he want to do to Bachmann, string her up?

Maybe this Einstein would rather keep Obama.

148 posted on 07/17/2011 2:15:52 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Jim Scott
I agree that Michelle Bachmann will have to deal with this question. It's uncomfortable but will only fester until she addresses it.

You have been under a rock of the past several days because she 1) left the church that espoused the anti-Catholic views and 2) said she loved Catholics.

149 posted on 07/17/2011 2:16:33 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: Celtic Cross

Me too. Bad seeds are sown in with the good. Never forget that.


150 posted on 07/17/2011 2:17:40 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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