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Michele Bachmann Should Not 'Get a Pass' on Past Membership in Anti-Catholic Church
Catholic Online ^ | 7/17/2011 | Deacon Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 07/17/2011 1:06:48 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads

The news and blogosphere is filled with responses to the July 14, 2011 story by Joshua Green, the Senior Editor of the Atlantic, entitled "Michele Bachmann's Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist." That is because it raises a serious matter which should not be taken lightly, and one which the candidate must address. First, let me share some personal context. I am what is often called a "revert" to the Catholic Church, someone who returned to the Church of my childhood after a long search for the truth. I love being a Catholic Christian. I hold an undergraduate degree and a master's degree in Catholic theology. I am a dissertation away from obtaining a PhD in Catholic Moral Theology. I am also a member of the Clergy, a Deacon. However, I write this article as a private and very concerned citizen.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antichrist; bachmann; bachmann4obama; catholic; catholicism; catholics; catholics4obama; frfullofsleepers; michelebachmann; palin; papism; sarahpalin
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

This Fournier guy is a trouble maker. There was no other reason to post this. What does he want to do to Bachmann, string her up? “ <<<<

Fournier did not post this. He is a devout Catholic deacon who has his own Catholic blog from which this was probably taken. Fournier was not talking to you. He was informing Catholics.


201 posted on 07/17/2011 3:16:08 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: oldbill

“Bachman or Obama - which one would you want sitting in judgment on you if you were a Catholic?”

I would support Bachmann if she were the nominee, based upon my ideology, conservative, not based upon her Church’s views of the Pope.

But you are seriously wrong if you think there are not many Catholics in places like PA or Ohio or New Mexico who may have voted for Obama last time but are disillusioned with him and are looking for a GOP candidate to vote for. Unlike ideological voters, such as those on FR and other conservative sites, they are inclined against Obama but not certain to vote against him or even to vote at all.

Bachmann’s nomination would give Obama all the fodder he would need to run ads in PA, Ohio and across the midwest, questioning her beliefs against Catholics and driving Catholic voters away from her. That is the reality of it, whether you like it or not. Ignoring this in a GOP primary is not going to mean the Dems will ignore it.

Bachmann is about as sure a loser as you can get. Leaving the Church six days before she announced for President suggests that She knows this is a problem.

Yet some of her supporters, including the closet Romneybots who are pushing her, do not seem to realize it. Or at least they pretend they don’t realize it.


202 posted on 07/17/2011 3:17:10 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; Celtic Cross
Conservativegreatgrandma:
So do you think I’m going to hell?

CelticCross:
Wouldn’t you like to know.

Well, that's all right, but be sure never to run for President. According to Fournier only people who believe everyone automatically goes to Heaven has the right to run for President.

203 posted on 07/17/2011 3:19:31 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: jtal
Hmmm. Catholic Girls .
204 posted on 07/17/2011 3:19:46 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Brices Crossroads
"In the unlikely event that Bachmann were nominated she could kiss PA, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan, with their heavy Catholic populations goodbye right off the bat."

Get to a clinic, and have yourself evaluated. This issue is so far down the list for 99% of the population, that it's not even on the list.
205 posted on 07/17/2011 3:19:46 PM PDT by CowboyJay
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To: ex-snook

Who cares? Seriously.


206 posted on 07/17/2011 3:20:14 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Palladin

Luther broke away from the Catholic Church - so there lies the emphasis in their tenants regarding the Pope and the Catholic Church.

I grew up in that religion and a nicer bunch of people you will never meet. I didn’t see any Evangelicalism at all - perhaps she enhances it with her own personal beliefs. I saw no antisemitism either. What the Church “officially” thinks and what the people actually hear on Sundays may be two very different things.

All Christian denominations believe that they and their church are the true believers. Catholics think the same thing.

I think her quitting the Church was a bad move - it draws attention to it.


207 posted on 07/17/2011 3:20:24 PM PDT by 30Moves
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To: AdamBomb
Uh. This is an issue. She needs to explain why she attended a church that flat committed blasphemy against the Catholic church. I want to hear her explanation before I vote for her.

Um, how can a non-Catholic be guilty of "blasphemy against the Catholic Church?" Isn't that like a non-citizen being guilty of "treason?"

208 posted on 07/17/2011 3:21:30 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Obama has to know that Reverend Wrong is much more pertinent to him than WELS is to Michele Bachmann. That would be a rich backfire on him.


209 posted on 07/17/2011 3:21:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Brices Crossroads
In the unlikely event that Bachmann were nominated she could kiss PA, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan, with their heavy Catholic populations goodbye right off the bat.

You think they would vote for Obama? Or is that what you would like? Look, I want Palin to run, but if she doesn't get nominated and Bachman does, you think I would vote for Obama? I am not Catholic. I also don't think I am stupid, and I will vote for the most conservative candidate. Even if he or she does not approve of my baptism.

210 posted on 07/17/2011 3:23:15 PM PDT by bobzeetwin
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To: RitaOK

See the Christians how they love one another.


211 posted on 07/17/2011 3:25:17 PM PDT by ardara
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To: kozanne

*Some Traditional Catholics believe that a pope was anti-Christ
http://www.trosch.org/jpi/antichrist.html

*Some RCs believe that a pope will be anti-Christ:

Fr. Herman Kramer was a Catholic priest who spent 30 years studying and writing a book on the Apocalypse. In his book, he wrote the following about St. Paul’s prophecy concerning the Antichrist sitting in the Temple of God.

“St. Paul says that Antichrist ‘sitteth in the temple of God’… This is not the ancient Temple of Jerusalem, nor a temple like it built by Antichrist, as some have thought, for then it would be his own temple… this temple is shown to be a Catholic Church, possibly one of the churches in Jerusalem or St. Peter’s in Rome, which is the largest church in the world and is in the full sense ‘The Temple of God.’”

Our Lady of La Salette, Sept. 19, 1846: “Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Anti-Christ… the Church will be in eclipse.”

The Catholic Encyclopedia article on “Antichrist” indicates that St. Bernard believed that the
Antichrist would be an antipope. http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/section1.pdf

According to the prophecy of St. Malachy, the last pope would be “the glory of the olive”, which is a phrase that has been associated with Pope Benedict XVI. http://papalprophecies.com/obama-pope-benedict-december-2012-the-anti-christ-the-last-pope.html

Also, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1351430/posts

“When the great ruler (the Great Monarch who is to rule Europe after the collapse of Communism) exterminates the Turks almost entirely, one of the remaining Mohammadans will be converted, become a priest bishop and cardinal, and when the new pope is elected (immediately before Antichrist) this cardinal will kill the pope before he is crowned, through jealousy, wishing to be pope himself; then when the other cardinals elect the next pope this cardinal will proclaim himself Anti-pope, and two-thirds of the Christians will go with him. He, as well as Anti-christ, are descendants of the tribe of Dan. - Yves Dupont (a staunch anti-communist, and a learned Catholic historian, September 1975 A.D.)


212 posted on 07/17/2011 3:25:35 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: giotto

Do any Catholics care to take a position on whether or not Protestants are Christians and saved? I know what the Catholic church used to say. The answer, as I understand it, is No. Does it still say it? Does that mean that Catholics are antiProtestant?

If we are looking for reasons to devour each other, religious wars have served that purpose for centuries.

My intent is not to stir up trouble. Personally, I tend to look for reasons to agree with someone on Christian doctrine, as opposed to looking for grounds to disagree.

The point is that we are not establishing a theocracy. Any church, with a systematized theology, is going to have controversial points. Membership in that church may or may not mean the member is a hard line advocate of those points of view.

Before we run off the lemming cliff because of Bachmann’s church membership, let’s give her a chance to explain herself, and let’s look at what she may have said and done on this topic before.


213 posted on 07/17/2011 3:27:07 PM PDT by RedElement
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To: CowboyJay

“Get to a clinic, and have yourself evaluated. This issue is so far down the list for 99% of the population, that it’s not even on the list.”

Wow. That is a perceptive argument. Did you come up with it all by yourself or did Mommy help?

It may be down your list, but Bachmann apparently realized it was important enough to resign from this Church SIX DAYS BEFORE SHE ANNOUNCED FOR PRESIDENT. It is all over the internet.

And at over 200 posts in 2 hours, it has generated more interest than any previous post about Bachmann on FR. You are apparently the only one around who thinks it is no big deal. Yet you feel compelled to show up and to regale us all with the searing logic of your fiery intellect.


214 posted on 07/17/2011 3:28:50 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: 30Moves

Dissolving an official connection with WELS could easily make sense for a politician who travels widely. Like many Roman congregations and some non-Roman congregation, they want her to be properly brushed up on her spiritual status before attending a Holy Communion. Without any WELS in Washington this would be difficult already. LCMS is the most conservative possibility that Bachmann could count on finding just about anywhere in the USA.


215 posted on 07/17/2011 3:28:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Desdemona
I’m reading through this thread wondering, “Did anybody read the Gospel this morning????????"

Our pastor had the youth come up and explained the parable of the enemy throwing the weed seed into the freshly planted wheat. They all looked sort of puzzled, until he explained it to them.

216 posted on 07/17/2011 3:29:42 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: rogue yam
One of the things the leftists have done to undermine religion is to convince people (including some who are religious) that it is illegitimate for practitioners of one religion to believe that other religions are in some significant way false.

This is nonsense.

If you believe in a religion then you necessarily believe that others are false in those ways that they differ from yours.

Bump to the top!!!

217 posted on 07/17/2011 3:29:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: reefdiver

The Gov. of NY is a Catholic, Pelosi, Kennedy’s - Catholic, Notre Dame so called Catholic University had a Priest arrested recently and Buffalos Canisus campus had Hillery Clinton speak at an event. I could go on with this, but the point being We Catholics need to get our own house in order. Most of our Bishops Priests and Deacons say nothing about our own Catholic politicans. “ <<<<

Have you entertained the thought of self ex-communication applying to every one of your examples. These are not wobbly Catholics, these examples are instead, dedicated protestants to the Church, who make political hay for themselves by continuing to identify themselves as Catholics, causing grave scandal by their self identity to the Church they despise.

Today’s Reading can be applied to your remark of getting your house in order. One homily I ran across applies the Reading to inside the Church, at the point of Scripture where Jesus is no longer talking to the crowd but only to the disciples when he explains to wait for the harvest of angels, and not to risk the wheat by tearing up the tares.
Just food for thought.


218 posted on 07/17/2011 3:30:25 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: Brices Crossroads

This isn’t going away because the Left isn’t going to let it. My boyfriend is Catholic and a Conservative, so I don’t need any retort for what I’m about to say. Not all Catholics are Conservative. There are many in the church who support the Democrats. While there might be more than a few Democrats who are good folks of faith, there are many who aren’t. I don’t know where this story came from, but I find it hard to believe that a Lutheran of any sect would believe that the Pope, any pope, is the anti-Christ. Bachmann sure doesn’t.


219 posted on 07/17/2011 3:31:50 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

This isn’t going away because the Left isn’t going to let it. My boyfriend is Catholic and a Conservative, so I don’t need any retort for what I’m about to say. Not all Catholics are Conservative. There are many in the church who support the Democrats. While there might be more than a few Democrats who are good folks of faith, there are many who aren’t. I don’t know where this story came from, but I find it hard to believe that a Lutheran of any sect would believe that the Pope, any pope, is the anti-Christ. Bachmann sure doesn’t.


220 posted on 07/17/2011 3:31:57 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

And rabble rousers like you felt it imperative to shout this quiet move all over the place in a way that makes Obama’s relationship with Reverend Wrong look like a whisper.

WELS is not logistically possible for a politician who plans to be constantly on the road, unless she plans to carry her own personal minister around wherever she goes, which would be a biiiiiiiit much.


221 posted on 07/17/2011 3:32:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Calusa
No one is more anti-catholic than pro-life, pro-homosexual, fetus-harvesting Obama and his minions like the Governor of NY. Well put!
222 posted on 07/17/2011 3:32:59 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
No one is going to stop because you say it must.

No, they won't. But I and others will stop, because is is a cheap shot lie about Bachmann and it is stupid, therefore not worthy of further time spent. Good bye.

223 posted on 07/17/2011 3:33:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Whenever the Left raises this, the Right raises Reverend Wright. Issue neutralized.


224 posted on 07/17/2011 3:33:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Brices Crossroads; All

A Palin KAD smearing Michele Bachmann on Free Republic. How original. YAWN.


225 posted on 07/17/2011 3:33:43 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: Brices Crossroads; All
Oh boy..... The Primary is weeding them out. This could definitely cause Michele problems down the road. And, poor Herman Cain can't keep from putting his foot in his mouth. IMO.........
THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO HAS BEEN VETTED "TO THE MAX" IS SARAH PALIN. WHAT OTHER LIE CAN THEY COME UP WITH? WHAT IS THERE TO FIND? NOTHING!!! IF SARAH IS OUR NOMINEE.........NO "OCTOBER SURPRISE".
226 posted on 07/17/2011 3:34:36 PM PDT by no dems (Never miss a chance to say "I love you" because you may never get the chance to say "goodbye".)
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To: 30Moves

“I think her quitting the Church was a bad move - it draws attention to it.”

That was my point as well. Bachmann resigned from the Church six days before she announced for President . If she is so quick to throw her Church of many years under the bus when it is politically expedient, why should anyone trust that she won’t throw Conservatives under the bus when it is expedient?

After all, when most of us were supporting Ronald Reagan, she was organizing and working for Jimmy Carter and even attending his Inauguration.


227 posted on 07/17/2011 3:36:03 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

For by works are you saved, you earn it on you own, lest anyone not get bragging rights. Yep sounds about right.

Theologians are like politicians, they need a compliant workforce that don’t mind giving up their money.

I am saved by Grace, it is a free gift of God, lest any man should boast. The rest of the people have to work really, really hard and get their preist to tell them when they have been sorry enough to be clean.

Catholics are certainly Christian if they have accepted the free gift of Salvation, but I don’t accept that the Pope is the final Arbiter of Grace.


228 posted on 07/17/2011 3:38:31 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Wow, you have to know this unknown from California who had just begun to show an interest in national office (Jimmy Carter has just been elected for the first and only time) had a church that somehow just didn’t MATTER.


229 posted on 07/17/2011 3:38:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: savagesusie

>>> Marxism—divide and conquer technique. “ <<<

Actually I read it was a Palin fan technique against Bachman. I have no idea what is the truth on that. The author of the column did not post his opinion here, but is rather a devout Catholic deacon with his own blog. What you say is true and elegantly written. Although I prefer to separate the Church from the sinning Catholics who abused Her and brought on the wrath of the people. The Reformation was one thing. Schism was something entirely beyond. Luther himself said he had failed and created now many popes. His followers continued the dissent. But, of course I agree with your general point. I get it.


230 posted on 07/17/2011 3:40:07 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
UUs aren’t nearly as open minded as you’d logically expect.

I was being sarcastic.

231 posted on 07/17/2011 3:40:56 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Brices Crossroads
If she is so quick to throw her Church of many years under the bus when it is politically expedient, why should anyone trust that she won’t throw Conservatives under the bus when it is expedient?
After all, when most of us were supporting Ronald Reagan, she was organizing and working for Jimmy Carter and even attending his Inauguration.

Hmmmmm............ See my Post #226.
232 posted on 07/17/2011 3:40:56 PM PDT by no dems (Never miss a chance to say "I love you" because you may never get the chance to say "goodbye".)
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To: AdamBomb

Blasphemy against a denomination?

One cannot commit blasphemy against a denomination. No denomination is God.


233 posted on 07/17/2011 3:40:56 PM PDT by alnick
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Whenever the Left raises this, the Right raises Reverend Wright. Issue neutralized. One and One don't make two here. How does it neutralize the attack? The Left uses baseless non-issues and vicious ad hominem attacks to marginalize their opponents, not only among their own, but among the Right. It's part of their playbook, made famous by Saul Alinsky. The Right doesn't engage in that.
234 posted on 07/17/2011 3:41:46 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: scbison
All Protestant faiths are founded on Luther, Calvin, Zwigili and they pretty much thought the same way about the Pope and Catholic Church. You might want to read up on your church history.

You might want to read up on the history of the Campbell Restoration movement because your comment indicates a shallow understanding of modern-day Protestantism. That's O.K. This happens a lot.

As a Protestant, I've read and heard many arguments against many Catholic Church doctrines over the years but I have never read or heard the Catholic Pope referred to as the anti-Christ. True, Protestants do not accept the authority of the Catholic Pope but in my church, while the Pope is considered extraneous to one's salvation, he is not hated or referred to as 'the anti-Christ', regardless of what Martin Luther, John Calvin or Ulrich Zwigili may have decreed, hundreds of years ago. Modern Protestantism has evolved and, in my church, is based strictly on scripture, not what some religious leaders (mere men) decided in the sixteenth century. We believe that salvation is found only in Jesus Christ, not rituals, not 'The Church' but in the grace of God offered to those who obey the Gospel.

I have absolutely no interest in debating 'religion', whether on offense or defense. I don't believe one can persuade anyone on spiritual issues via internet message board exchanges - and I have no interest in trying. I simply state that while Lutherans may view the Catholic Pope as 'the anti-Christ, I do not - and neither do any Protestants I know. How about we let it go at that?

235 posted on 07/17/2011 3:43:06 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I thought we got past this shit with Jack Kennedy, but I guess not.

Ah, but you forget. In the United States Catholics are an "oppressed minority." That means they can only be victims of "prejudice" and never practitioners of it.

236 posted on 07/17/2011 3:43:47 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: scbison; Charles Henrickson
As a conservartive Lutheran, politics is never mentioned in sermons, it is frowned upon..

That is OK as long as you are the Rev Wright, Rev Al or Rev Jesse. Dims do it all the time.

I bet the Rev. Charles Henrickson can attest to your statement above. The only time I ever heard one of our former LCMS pastors mention anything about politics, was after a golf event and he was not wearing his clerical collar;

His statement was:

I don't know how any Christian can go to church on Sunday and vote for a democrat on Tuesday.

I had that as my tagline for many months.

237 posted on 07/17/2011 3:45:13 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: Mr. K

I went to a funeral at a nice Catholic church recently. During eucharist, they explained that non-catholics were not welcome. I have run into this before. It has something to do with an inscrutable, medieval argument over the “real presence,” a concept which no Catholic priest has ever been able to explain to me; which perhaps one in one-hundred practicing Roman Catholics care about; and which ignores the plain meaning of the Words of Institution in the eucharist.

To me, it is all a technicality, a mechanism of trying to assert control. It is damaging to the very worthy interests of the Roman Catholic Church, most of which I support. It short, it is foolish and non-Christian.

It is funny that Catholics should be worried about some minor Protestant doctrines unfriendly to them, when Catholics do the same sort of thing. In my own ancestry, I have direct ancestors who (for a fact!) were dragged from their homes into the street by a Roman Catholic mob, and had their throats slit, almost in the style used by Moslem terrorists. If their 14-year-old son had not escaped, I would not be here!

Should I hold this against modern Catholics? Well, I don’t. I accept most Catholics as good Christians, even though certain of their teachings are un-Biblical, and are survivals from Roman pagan times. It is time we tolerated the Truth, even in different denominations, and it is time that we were free to criticize falsehood, wherever it crops up.

I really believe that the Devil can be working anywhere, and looks for any opening, just like a mouse trying to infest your house (only with worse results). Our only guide is what Jesus gave us: judge them by their fruits.


238 posted on 07/17/2011 3:48:36 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: RitaOK

I wish we would ex communicate these people. The Governor has been denied communion FWIW.


239 posted on 07/17/2011 3:49:54 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Mach9
And btw, Pat Robertson also believed the pope was toxic; he spent half an hour on the 700-Club explaining why. I don’t remember Catholics making a fuss when he ran.

Because Robertson had as much of a chance as being the nominee as my cat. Fringe, just like Jesse Jackson or Ron Paul.

240 posted on 07/17/2011 3:52:01 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: giotto
James A. Garfield's highest office before he was elected President in 1880 was Congressman. He had also been a college president and a Civil War general.

For what it's worth, he was also anti-Catholic--I recall a quote from him similar to the one by Rev. Burchard which caused Blaine's defeat in the 1884 election.

241 posted on 07/17/2011 3:53:55 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Desdemona; Brices Crossroads; Celtic Cross; ex-snook; Linda Frances; ...

Of course this is not true but the Catholic teaching has been that all non-Catholics are going to hell.
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Conservativegreatgrandma has been repeating that lie, she told friday: ““It may also be pointed out that the Catholic church’s official teaching is that anyone not a Catholic will also be going to hell” “

even after NUMEROUS people showed church law that it is a lie. Pope Benedict himself, affirmed that year, that we will see Baptist and Protestant brothers and sisters in Heaven.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2748910/posts?q=1&;page=101

The Cathecism of the Catholic Church now teaches:

818
“. . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”

...and frankly, i don’t think Bachmann would start an anti-catholic pogram. and i would have respected her more, if she didn’t quit her church, just to run.
...if her church is negotiable, how can you count on her integrity in anything ?

especially, after she lied about her taxes (50k is “not a penny”), lied about her husband curing gays in his clinic (again, she should have been proud of that, not lied and tried to hide it), and many more.

Romney’s religion (Mormons) teaches that ALL other christian churches are in error, and will go to hell. Baptists as well as Catholics. no one attacks him for that.
i don’t attack Bachmann for that either. but i do object to lies and lack of integrity, and abandoning her religion for political expediency.

again, i don’t care about their religion. i care about them being fiscal conservatives, with INTEGRITY.
Before Rollins, i believe Bachmann was, and would have voted for her.


242 posted on 07/17/2011 3:54:12 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Brices Crossroads
"And at over 200 posts in 2 hours, it has generated more interest than any previous post about Bachmann on FR."

Most of these posts are telling you what I'm about to, but in more polite terms:

The Catholic and Lutheran churches quit fighting the Reformation a couple hundred years ago. By my count, this is at least the 3rd thread you've posted on the same subject. You're likely suffering from OCD or APD (or something worse). You're dragging your church through the mud with you, and carrying water for the anti-Christian left. I'd highly suggest you consult with a priest or mental health professional. Get help.
243 posted on 07/17/2011 3:55:12 PM PDT by CowboyJay
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To: Mr. K

Protestents think Catholics aren’t true Christians....
Catholics think all other Christians aren’t true Christians
Baptists think they are the only path...
Mormons believe they are Christian....
Jews don’t care about Christians.....
Muslims....well there muslim.....

Each church or religion believes it is the only path to G-d, otherwise they would be...well...Unitarian... :^)

Michelle Bachman isn’t running for head of her church nor are we a theocracy....

Bachman is a good person and not a bigot....she’s running for president of the United States and has displayed good values....This should be the basis of a qualification...

The author of this article is trying to tear apart any support she may garner by instituting infighting amoung Republicans and a lot of people on this thread are taking the bait....


244 posted on 07/17/2011 3:55:51 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: ejdrapes

” A Palin KAD smearing Michele Bachmann on Free Republic. How original. YAWN. “ <<<<

I was into this several pages before I read that this post was from a Palin supporter. PAS. Palin Adulation Syndrome.


245 posted on 07/17/2011 3:59:43 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: Jim Scott

Campbell Restoration sounds pretty Reformed to me so it sounds like it comes out of from Calvin Zwingli based on the beliefs of baptism and the Eucharist.

Actually, according to the “The Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope” by is part of the
Augsburg Confession, the Pope is a considerd a anti-christ (not The) as he claims to be the vicar of christ on earth and to act as Christ on earth..Basically what Luther had to endure and corruption of the Catholic chruch I could understand why he felt that way.

Today, even though it still part of the confessions of the church, Lutherans do believe the Pope is THE ANTI-CHRIST... Actually, as confessional Lutheran, I have more in common with and appreciation of theCatholic Church than I do with American Protestants or American Evangical Christians

I am actually


246 posted on 07/17/2011 3:59:50 PM PDT by scbison
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To: Calusa
No one is more anti-catholic than pro-life, pro-homosexual, fetus-harvesting Obama and his minions like the Governor of NY. I think you meant to say, "pro-choice". You're correct. I grew up Lutheran, and I never heard that they believed that the pope is the anti-Christ. This is just one of the many attacks by the Left's on a Christian Conservative woman. Sure wish Conservatives wouldn't be useful tools by falling for this stuff.
247 posted on 07/17/2011 4:02:01 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: RINOs suck
) said she loved Catholics.

I used to say I loved my ex-wife's cooking.

I was not being entirely truthful.

248 posted on 07/17/2011 4:02:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Elendur

and i’m not “attacking” Bachmann.
Palin was attacked, and things made up about her, and words put in her mouth.
me and others, are simply commenting, on specific words and actions from Bachmann HERSELF.

i like Cain, and Palin. but i HAVE strongly criticised BOTH of them, for things they said and did. that is honesty and integrity.

...if ANY other candidate, called $50,000 “not a penny”, or claimed John Wayne was born in their hometown when he wasn’t, etc., the Bachmann supporters would have condemned them instantly.
(look how everyone criticised Newt’s 500,000 Tiffany’s account.)
the only thing i dislike more than a liar, is a hypocrite.

the only person dividing us, is Bachmann herself, by her own words and actions.


249 posted on 07/17/2011 4:03:21 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Celtic Cross

Then you just ignore Papal Bulls?


250 posted on 07/17/2011 4:04:19 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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