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Michele Bachmann Should Not 'Get a Pass' on Past Membership in Anti-Catholic Church
Catholic Online ^ | 7/17/2011 | Deacon Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 07/17/2011 1:06:48 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads

The news and blogosphere is filled with responses to the July 14, 2011 story by Joshua Green, the Senior Editor of the Atlantic, entitled "Michele Bachmann's Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist." That is because it raises a serious matter which should not be taken lightly, and one which the candidate must address. First, let me share some personal context. I am what is often called a "revert" to the Catholic Church, someone who returned to the Church of my childhood after a long search for the truth. I love being a Catholic Christian. I hold an undergraduate degree and a master's degree in Catholic theology. I am a dissertation away from obtaining a PhD in Catholic Moral Theology. I am also a member of the Clergy, a Deacon. However, I write this article as a private and very concerned citizen.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antichrist; bachmann; bachmann4obama; catholic; catholicism; catholics; catholics4obama; frfullofsleepers; michelebachmann; palin; papism; sarahpalin
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To: Palladin

“These people do not believe that Catholics are Christians”

Kind of reminds you of the “no salvation outside the Catholic Church” crowd.


51 posted on 07/17/2011 1:32:03 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Do your own homework.


52 posted on 07/17/2011 1:32:48 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: eclecticEel
What a whiner! "You disagree with me, so you're a TROLL!"

C'mon...

53 posted on 07/17/2011 1:32:59 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Should the Pope “get a pass” on past membership in an anti-Jewish, anti-Protestant Church?


54 posted on 07/17/2011 1:33:40 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Palladin

You bring accusation, you bring proof, or shut up.


55 posted on 07/17/2011 1:34:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Jim Scott

Right, Jim. As Fournier points out in the article, he works with many evangelical protestants and this particular denomination has some strange beliefs. As you say, there are legitimate disputes among Christians concerning the papacy and its authority, and people can disagree on such matters. But when it degenerates into calumny, then it is a problem. She is going to have to explain this. If she can’t do so, she can’t be considered a viable candidate.

Ignoring something like this won’t make it go away.


56 posted on 07/17/2011 1:35:18 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

Exactly.

Bachmann cannot win without the Catholic vote.

She had better address this issue now or forever hold her peace.


57 posted on 07/17/2011 1:35:38 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Oh woe, and now all the virtuous Roman Catholics will vote for pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-fornication Democrats


You’re assuming there are only two parties running.


58 posted on 07/17/2011 1:35:47 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: silverleaf
Should the Pope “get a pass” on past membership in an anti-Jewish, anti-Protestant Church?

Good thing he wasn't in with the Nazis or we'd never hear the end of that. Oh wait . . .

59 posted on 07/17/2011 1:36:28 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I am a Catholic and a supporter. Just don’t believe there is a bigoted bone in her body.

And she is the best shot conservatives have, including Palin. She is not a feminist, but ‘pro man and woman’.

What are we going to nominate, Romney?


60 posted on 07/17/2011 1:36:28 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Brices Crossroads
Oh good Lord!!!

I suppose that Saint Joseph, son of Jacob/Isreal wasn't qualified to be the Pharoh's chief of staff and chief executive administrator because he held strict and narrow religious beliefs...

Let's see... Romney can't be a conservative because he is mormon and same for Huntsman. Kennedy couldn't be POTUS because he was an agent of the Pope, right? What are people like this lawyer/deCON looking for? Special dispensation for their denomination if their favorite candidate achieve political victory???

This stuff just ain't right!!! By the way I didn't vote for Kennedy and I'm not voting for either of the two Mormons either, but not for any cockamaymie religious reasons!!!

61 posted on 07/17/2011 1:37:25 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s right—try to stifle all opposition to your little bigoted Tea Party Queen.

She ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

Wait until Sarah gets in the race.


62 posted on 07/17/2011 1:37:40 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Except as a percentage of faithful in the respective churches, the thus-bigoted segment is a lot smaller in the evangelical set.


63 posted on 07/17/2011 1:37:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Ballygrl

I too am Catholic and could care less about this phony issue.

I grew up as a baptist and understand there is a certain amount of suspicion from some evangelical Christians towards the Catholic church. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t vote for an evangelical Christian unless that individual expressed hostility towards the church. I see no evidence of that from MB.

Even in the officially anti-Catholic church of my youth it was very rarely even mentioned, except for dire warnings from parents not to date Catholic girls. :-). So this to me is very exagerated in importance.

This seems to me a leftist ploy to get us fighting amongst ourselves.


64 posted on 07/17/2011 1:38:12 PM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Brices Crossroads

It does rather look a little convenient to dump over the sect of the Lutheran Church who is so anti-Catholic just in time for the elections, presumably with the self-serving hope for more of the Catholic votes, or to dodge the hypocrisy.

Protestants, however, often don’t even follow the Catholic Church and the ignorance keeps them incurious of what all the hoopla is about. But that is a little different from the old “mainline” churches like Bachman’s, however, who owe their original existence entirely to being anti-Catholic. Remember, Luther started out with reform of the fallen individuals doing evil and steering the Church here and there, but got instead a permanent schism wherein others followed behind him who actually dumped the faith, forcing Luther who kept his own devotion to Mary, the Mother of God, to say, “ I have created now many popes”.

Bachman will need to address this business of anti-Christ labeling and name calling, because even some protestants are turned off by such unnecessary, self righteous tenants especially in an era where Christians would be wiser to stick together, given common threats from Islam.


65 posted on 07/17/2011 1:38:43 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: Brices Crossroads

” . . . this is something that Bachmann has to answer for.”

Yes, probably. But I’m wondering what protestant sect, regardless of size or vehemence, DOESN’T have problems with the Pope. And btw, Pat Robertson also believed the pope was toxic; he spent half an hour on the 700-Club explaining why. I don’t remember Catholics making a fuss when he ran. But, of course, his odds of making it to the nomination were probably not as high as Bachmann’s appear at the moment.


66 posted on 07/17/2011 1:38:43 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Palladin

Bachmann will as rightfully point out as I that loudmouths like you are big on accusation, tiny to nonexistent on proof.


67 posted on 07/17/2011 1:38:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: fooman

“I am a Catholic and a supporter. Just don’t believe there is a bigoted bone in her body.”

Good for you. Glad you have faith in her. a lot of us, like Bill Donohue of the Catholic League want to hear her explain it. The clock is ticking....


68 posted on 07/17/2011 1:39:08 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads
I'd love to see a Catholic GOP nominee, but I don't see it happening this round.

Bachmann stopped attending that anti-Catholic Church two years ago, so she clearly didn't do it with the prez bid in mind. Thats good enough for me.

69 posted on 07/17/2011 1:39:11 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Mr. K
Lets let the muslim kenyan stay in office

Yes sir, I will not vote for anyone that is not totally pure. I would rather let Obama win............../sarc.

70 posted on 07/17/2011 1:39:11 PM PDT by oldbrowser (They're socialists don't call them liberals)
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To: Brices Crossroads

To one degree or another, isn’t every Protestant church at least a little anti-Catholic? Would they just be Catholics if they weren’t?


71 posted on 07/17/2011 1:40:43 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: Celtic Cross

“Bachmann stopped attending that anti-Catholic Church two years ago, so she clearly didn’t do it with the prez bid in mind”

NO. She resigned from that Church days before she announced.


72 posted on 07/17/2011 1:40:43 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

So then how do you feel about the Catholic church’s teaching no one can be saved outside the Catholic church?


73 posted on 07/17/2011 1:40:53 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: kozanne
So what if she believes the Pope is the Antichrist? I used to think it was my middle kid until he got older!
That is reeeeeally funny. Now on to read the rest of the commentary ...
74 posted on 07/17/2011 1:40:56 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: randita; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Norman Bates; LdSentinal; justiceseeker93; NYer; ...

It appears that Michele Bachman has her own version of Jeremiah Wright. Note that this article didn’t come from a leftist publication. If she wins the nomination, this could be a big problem.


75 posted on 07/17/2011 1:41:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: ex-snook

It would be because of their bigotry that Catholics would suddenly Perot Mr. Obama into another four years, cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Then they will lament all the things that would never have happened under the watch of that “bastard Lutheran.”


76 posted on 07/17/2011 1:42:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“Are you comparing the white-hating, America-hating Marxist to Bachmann??????????”

That WAS a bit over the top.

The writer fails to understand the relevance of the Rev. Wrong relationship. Obama dedicated a book, praised the guy. And forget the petty Christian denominational squabbles, this jackass hated AMERICA!


77 posted on 07/17/2011 1:42:37 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Texas Fossil
You got it. This is stupid and some are taking the bait by that liberal Green. Catholics have plenty of prejudices of their own.

Let's call a truce and get on with defeating Obama and not stand here in a circular firing squad.

78 posted on 07/17/2011 1:43:51 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Brices Crossroads

Yes, but she stopped attending two years ago.


79 posted on 07/17/2011 1:43:51 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: DesertRhino

“This might matter to me,,, if i wasn’t treated to a continous stream of Roman catholic threads that are very disrespectful of protestants.”

DITTO


80 posted on 07/17/2011 1:44:14 PM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I cannot comment, I am biased.

My ancestors were tortured and killed by Catholics.


81 posted on 07/17/2011 1:44:14 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: Impy

I forgot to ping this to you. As said in a previous post, Michele Bachman may have her own Jeremiah Wright problem.


82 posted on 07/17/2011 1:44:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: BuddhaBrown

“hated AMERICA!”

I mean “hates AMERICA!”


83 posted on 07/17/2011 1:44:56 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Recently?


84 posted on 07/17/2011 1:45:32 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
"then how do you feel about the Catholic church’s teaching no one can be saved outside the Catholic church?"

I'm cool with it, so don't bother keeping a spot warm for me. :)

85 posted on 07/17/2011 1:45:32 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

86 posted on 07/17/2011 1:45:54 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It would be because of their bigotry that Catholics


Whose bigotry is it that the GOP has never nominated a Catholic for President?


87 posted on 07/17/2011 1:45:56 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Balding_Eagle

And MY ancestors were tortured and killed my Protestants...Funny thing about that.


88 posted on 07/17/2011 1:46:47 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Grunthor

I hate all Catholics because they say I’m going to hell because I am not Catholic. Of course this is not true but the Catholic teaching has been that all non-Catholics are going to hell.


89 posted on 07/17/2011 1:47:00 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Balding_Eagle

Mine were tortured and killed by the Protestant Cromwell.

Since they were a loquacious people, I will comment vociferously.


90 posted on 07/17/2011 1:47:23 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Celtic Cross

“Yes, but she stopped attending two years ago.”

So what? It has been the official teaching of the WEL Synod for decades and it was mentioned during Bachmann’s 2006 campaign. She well knew about this issue years ago and resigned only when she was plotting a Presidential bid.

It is really admirable how quickly she threw her Church under the bus when she needed to make political hay.


91 posted on 07/17/2011 1:47:41 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads
As a cradle Catholic and staunch Conservative, just slightly to the right of Attila the Hun, I would have no problem voting for Ms. Bachmann or any other Lutheran that holds my beliefs on the principles of life and politics.

All the running down of Bachmann will not work. The Liberal scum have blown their wad on O’bummer. Their lies are there for everyone to see. All we have to do is have a candidate that is fearless in exposing their lies. Palin, Bachmann and Cain have guts. The fact that they are Conservative women, and a black Conservative make them gutsy in and of itself. The way they take it to O’Bummer brings it all the way home. I would gladly vote for any one of them over the RINOS.

92 posted on 07/17/2011 1:48:22 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Celtic Cross

Both/and. I don’t even know if there is a WELS in Washington, DC.


93 posted on 07/17/2011 1:49:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
but I'd rather get this out and debated now

I am not supporting Bachmann for Pres..... This is not a debate, it is a cheap shot by some to continually stir the water. This must stop. It is stupid.

94 posted on 07/17/2011 1:49:26 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Prior to Vatican II, i.e. when JFK was running for President, Protestants could not go to heaven by Roman Catholic doctrine. Why are you guys trying to pillory her on this at this late date?


95 posted on 07/17/2011 1:49:52 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Brices Crossroads
She threw a bad Church under the bus, so its a good thing.

I know she's far from perfect, but she's better than Romney and Palin seemingly isn't running and Cain has too little name-recognition.

What can we do? Anyone would be better than Obama.

96 posted on 07/17/2011 1:50:49 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Palladin
These people do not believe that Catholics are Christians.

I do not believe any of the Kennedys are Christians... I do not believe the IRA are Christians... I do not believe the Jesuit governor of California, Jerry Brown, is a Christian...

I also do not believe that the tortures, wars and assassination attempts made against non-Catholics by members of the Catholic Church during medieval times and the Renaissance were Christian brotherly love...

97 posted on 07/17/2011 1:50:49 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Ballygrl

I’m Roman Catholic as is my whole family and we adore Michele Bachmann and have no problem supporting her at all.” <<<

I think that’s fine, but the point made is that she (Bachman) doesn’t support you. She raises her Synod for twenty years over your Shepherd who is the anti-Christ, so what does that make you? But, whatever. Right? I’d like to know how you justify supporting Bachman over Santorum, since he is every bit as conservative as she and devout in his faith despite the costs. Now that’s something worth “adoring”.


98 posted on 07/17/2011 1:50:52 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: Celtic Cross
So this means you hate all non-Catholics, huh?

This story ran many times a few days ago and the only reason to bring it up again is to cause trouble. Shame on Brice.

99 posted on 07/17/2011 1:51:40 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Don’t know where you came up with that one, but I know it’s a prominent belief among nonCatholics.


100 posted on 07/17/2011 1:52:07 PM PDT by Mach9
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