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Perry knocks Obama’s handling of border security
Austin American-Statesman ^ | July 18, 2011 | Jason Embry

Posted on 07/18/2011 12:02:38 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Speaking this morning to the Texas Municipal Police Association in Austin, Gov. Rick Perry returned to one of his favorite subjects over the last few years, saying the Obama administration has inappropriately handled security issues on the Texas-Mexico border.

Perry, who told the Des Moines Register in recent days that God may be calling him to run for president, has long said Washington has not deployed enough manpower to the Texas-Mexico border. He repeated that criticism this morning, saying he wants 3,000 Border Patrol agents along the border in Texas and 1,000 troops from the National Guard. He said the administration’s decision to send 286 troops last year was “grossly inadequate.”

“The federal government continues to turn a blind eye to this problem,” Perry said.

Last August, when President Barack Obama came to Austin for a fundraiser, Perry met him at the airport and tried to hand him a letter asking for National Guard troops. (He gave the letter to an Obama aide.) Perry later bragged in a re-election commercial that he had “confronted” Obama, showing footage of their brief encounter.

Last year, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano sent Perry a letter saying the Border Patrol was “better staffed” than at any time in its history, having increased from about 10,000 agents in 2004 to more than 20,000 in 2010.

(Excerpt) Read more at statesman.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; gardasilperry; gorescampaignmanager; internationalborder; nationalsecurity; openborderperry; perry; rinoperry; rovespuppet; therinoperry
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The benefits of this bill will last only as long as the cartels can master new forgeries. I applaud this nonetheless.
BOTTOM LINE: PERRY HAS NO HEART FOR INTERNAL ENFORCEMENT. THAT MEANS THE LOSS OF THE “POLITICAL NATION”....PLEASE LET THIS SINK IN.


51 posted on 07/18/2011 1:15:41 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I know the situation on the southern border quite well, having spent quite a lot of time there.


52 posted on 07/18/2011 1:17:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (It's not really 'cut, cap and balance,' it's 'tinker, obfuscate, borrow and spend.')
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To: CowboyJay

He makes exceptions on abortion.


53 posted on 07/18/2011 1:18:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (It's not really 'cut, cap and balance,' it's 'tinker, obfuscate, borrow and spend.')
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To: CowboyJay
Hi Colorado. How much has Colorado sent to Texas to help us secure the border? I mean we're sitting here on the front lines, using our own state money to try and hold back the onslaught. What have you done today but shoot off your Colorado Cowboy mouth?

How about NOT supporting a Texas DREAM Act?

Post #15.

How about NOT publicly railing against AZ 1070?

LEFTY MSM lie. Perry said it wasn't a fit for Texas. BTW, how is that law working for AZ?

RINO Ricky has ties to some certifiable religious wack-jobs in Texas, so he may be doing more than just election-year pandering on abortion. Then again, he endorsed Giuliani last time around so he might be full of it on RTL, too.

July 18, 2011: Andrea Tantaros & Bob Beckel discuss Rick Perry & Rudy Giuliani Giuliani: Says, the Republican Party will be much more successful if we get the heck out of peoples’ bedrooms – let these things get decided by states and stick to our economic conservative roots."

June 13, 2011: Texas Gov. Rick Perry blasted pro-abortion President Barack Obama on pro-life issues "Perry said that, under Obama “our federal tax dollars can now be used to fund abortion all over the world. With the stroke of a pen, abortion essentially became a U.S. foreign export......."Perry has pleased pro-life advocates in Texas many times with signing pro-life legislation — most recently signing an ultrasound bill allowing women to see them before an abortion and hopefully changing their minds on it. He has been strongly supported by pro-life groups. Perry supported or signed into law the Women’s Right to Know Act and the Prenatal Protection Act in 2003, parental consent law in 2005, and funding for alternatives to abortions in 2007 and 2009."

54 posted on 07/18/2011 1:23:33 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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55 posted on 07/18/2011 1:24:20 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I know the situation on the southern border quite well, having spent quite a lot of time there.

That's nice but you don't live here.

56 posted on 07/18/2011 1:25:11 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You are correct when you agree with Texas conservatives
who suggest that Gov. Perry
stop sorta running for the top job
as Rove’s puppet and Romney’s chess piece
and instead finally face
and address the issues facing the Texan people.


57 posted on 07/18/2011 1:28:14 PM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: dusttoyou

I’m beginning to believe they’re the “third party” reelect Obama troops.


58 posted on 07/18/2011 1:30:08 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Diogenesis

59 posted on 07/18/2011 1:31:00 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Diogenesis

Way to go!
I knew you had that guardisil thingy somewhere in that pointy little paul-head.


60 posted on 07/18/2011 1:32:34 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Diogenesis
....as Rove’s puppet and Romney’s chess piece and instead finally face and address the issues facing the Texan people.

Still looking for your back-up links, quotes, ????. Whatcha got?

I'm waiting with my finger poised on my researched material to put the lie to it.

61 posted on 07/18/2011 1:33:23 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I think I’ll take a walk!

LOL


62 posted on 07/18/2011 1:35:06 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh yes, my job keeps me in front of the screen and I force myself to give that extra little jaunt when I get up and active.

If I ever get like that, just shoot me.


63 posted on 07/18/2011 1:38:11 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP


64 posted on 07/18/2011 1:39:14 PM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

Time and again you post about Rick Perry. It is as if you are a paid shill. Or just a shill.

If you are going to start thread after thread about Rick Perry like most other threads people are going to respond. Some not the way you like. That is the nature of the beast here. Frankly, all these Rick Perry posts by you are somewhat troll-like themselves because it is groundhog day with you when it comes to Perry. Same thing over and over.

If you are going to pimp Rick Perry around here expect some responses you don't like. When you get them maybe it might be wise not to try to call names because that goes both ways and in my view labeling you a shill or a pimp is starting to make sense.

65 posted on 07/18/2011 1:48:31 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

Time and again you post about Rick Perry. It is as if you are a paid shill. Or just a shill.

If you are going to start thread after thread about Rick Perry like most other threads people are going to respond. Some not the way you like. That is the nature of the beast here. Frankly, all these Rick Perry posts by you are somewhat troll-like themselves because it is groundhog day with you when it comes to Perry. Same thing over and over.

If you are going to pimp Rick Perry around here expect some responses you don't like. When you get them maybe it might be wise not to try to call names because that goes both ways and in my view labeling you a shill or a pimp is starting to make sense.

66 posted on 07/18/2011 1:48:31 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So? Are you saying that only residents of border states are qualified to judge the immigration policies of politicians who aspire to national office?


67 posted on 07/18/2011 1:50:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (It's not really 'cut, cap and balance,' it's 'tinker, obfuscate, borrow and spend.')
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To: Diogenesis

68 posted on 07/18/2011 1:55:27 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: EternalVigilance

Hardly.

I’m making the point that you don’t know, what you don’t know because you are removed, in great measure, from the situation we in border states have been left with, due to federal neglect and inaction, which has ENCOURAGED this continuous, no end in sight problem.


69 posted on 07/18/2011 2:00:57 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: isthisnickcool
Funny how I never was called a "SHILL" when I was posting stuff like this.

Why do you think that is? I did a lot of that.

70 posted on 07/18/2011 2:08:51 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

But I already told you, I’ve spent lots of time on the border.

Including in Texas.

And if you think Perry doesn’t fall into the wing of the Republican Party that thinks border security and immigration law enforcement are a joke, you’re fooling yourself.


71 posted on 07/18/2011 2:17:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (It's not really 'cut, cap and balance,' it's 'tinker, obfuscate, borrow and spend.')
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why do you think that is? I did a lot of that.

Looked at your recent posts. Maybe the issue is that you are not posting "stuff like this" like you are "stuff" for Perry.

Why are you posting so much about Rick Perry?

72 posted on 07/18/2011 2:18:13 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: forgotten man
I don’t think 0bama’s handling of the border is any worse than the way George W. Bush handled it. Bush was an absolute disaster.

I agree 100%.

However, Bush is not the topic in this thread.

73 posted on 07/18/2011 2:21:50 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: isthisnickcool
Why are you posting so much about Rick Perry?

Why does it bother you so much?

I want to see Perry on the GOP primary trail.

I want to see him up against the others and get the best candidate to take on Obama, rally the voters and win the White House.

How about you?

74 posted on 07/18/2011 2:23:09 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s like seeing the same commercial over and over. After a couple of times it gets a bit redundant.

As far as Rick Perry goes I need to learn nothing more about him. I see him as a RINO and a lightweight. What you post does not bother me other than it is like stepping over the same crap time and again.

Now that you have made it clear that you are pushing Perry I understand what you are doing.

Since you know so much about him please explain to me what you think about all the cash Bob Perry has put in to Rick’s pockets and since Bob was against the sanctuary city law doesn’t it look bad that Perry could have pushed that bill through but did not. Rick Perry could bring that back in another special session along with the anti groping bill but won’t. Why not?

As far as other candidates go the only one that matters is Palin when it comes to Perry. Perry won’t jump in until he knows what Palin is going to do because Perry won’t stick his neck out. Palin is not Bill White or Kinky.


75 posted on 07/18/2011 2:48:16 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Me and some others have had the same thought. Would not be the first time. Just attack, attack, attack, nothing positive. I have asked “which candidate do they like” and no response. That’s why I started calling em coyotes, just hang out on the edge and howl. Some have been here for long time, makes you wonder about “sleeper cells”.


76 posted on 07/18/2011 2:52:40 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: isthisnickcool
Business ie employers -- the big boogie men/women that UNIONS have to fight against, that "illegals" are exploited by, that politicians use as re-election cash machines -- the names the msm keep throwing against the wall in their fight against Governor Rick Perry: Charles Butts HEB - grocer (largest employer in Texas); Bob Perry (largest (?) homebuilder in Texas); Merck Pharmaceutical (Gardasil HPV vaccine, etc).

In the grand scheme of things you should research donations made to political action committees (PACs) and direct contributions that business make to ALL politicians. That's what lobbyists do. They prowl the halls of government buildings across the country. (Where do you think Barack Obama's $1Billion is coming from, the poor?)

Lobbyists start out in government--where they build up their rolodex. Then they move on to represent businesses who know it is required that they come hat in hand to pay tribute to the legislators who will be passing or not passing legislation that will be levying taxes and regulations upon them.

It is the nature of the beast -- why we need to have elected officials spend less time on the job and go home to work a real job. The Texas legislature meets every 2 years for 140 days (additional days if special sessions are called).

Rick Perry's platform in brief:

1. Don't spend all the money.

2. Have fair and predictable tax and regulatory policy.

3. A legal system that doesn't allow for over suing (lawsuit abuse) and make loser pay (no more jackpot justice).

With that as Rick Perry's platform and political ideology, I conclude that businesses contribute to Rick Perry to have less government entanglement in their business, which would do wonders for their bottom line -- their profits, their ability to expand and employ more people.

UNIONS and TRIAL LAWYERS are the bane of business but they are the top two fair haired children of BIG GOVERNMENT. However we don’t read editorials about their influence, do we?

And on to the campaign money “flowing” into Rick Perry’s pockets. Here’s what I found: In anticipation of the usual comments, I did a search for the 2010 contributions of HEB and Perry Homes and found:

2010 With the notable exception of Lamar Smith (R), mostly Democrat giving, including a PAC contribution for Sen Chuck Schumer (D-NY), also gave to Bill White (D) who lost in his 2010 gubenatorial challenge to Rick Perry – DIDN'T FIND Rick Perry: Charles Butt [HEB CEO] Political Campaign Contributions 2010 Election Cycle [HEB is the largest private company (grocer) in Texas]

2010 With the exception of $1K to Shelia Jackson-Lee and Gene Green -- both democrats, ALL GOP giving but DIDN'T FIND Rick Perry: Bob Perry Political Campaign Contributions 2010 Election Cycle -- Bobby Jack Perry (Bob J. Perry); Houston, Texas homebuilder, owner of Perry Homes, and major contributor to a number of 527 groups: Swift Vets and POWs for Truth and the Economic Freedom Fund. ---- In 2010, Perry donated $7 million to the 527 group American Crossroads -- largest single donation that the organization has received to date -- they primarily work to elect Republican legislators; is a member of the Heritage Club. Donated to Tom DeLay’s Texans for a Republican Majority and to Tom DeLay’s defense. In 2006, Perry was the largest political donor in Texas. 2006 donations included nearly $400,000 to the campaign of GOP Governor Rick Perry (no relation).

On a side note, HEB CEO Charles Butt is a piker compared to Perry Homes CEO Bob Perry's giving.

Merck: A FReeper claims a $6K contribution to Rick Perry. Merck has contributed Millions to politicians -- the list is very long.

The question is: Are they paying to get people into government who will keep government off their backs, or are they paying to grow government?

Business vs Unions.

Capitalism vs Socialism.

What makes the most sense?

77 posted on 07/18/2011 3:17:53 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dusttoyou

Coyotes?

Rick Perry shoots coyotes!

LOL


78 posted on 07/18/2011 3:22:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: magna carta

Give your solution.

What can Rick Perry do as governor of Texas to make this problem go away?


79 posted on 07/18/2011 3:39:10 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: isthisnickcool
........If you are going to pimp Rick Perry around here expect some responses you don't like. When you get them maybe it might be wise not to try to call names because that goes both ways and in my view labeling you a shill or a pimp is starting to make sense.

Perry, Social Conservatives and the Road to the Top ….."The party has evolved to where he had the ability to be more open about some of his views," says Susan Weddington, a former chairwoman of the Republican Party of Texas. "I think it's the party that's changed some — this is definitely in his political DNA."

"Rick Perry has continued to stand up. I think that's who the man is," says Cathie Adams, who has been a Texas GOP chairwoman, national committeewoman and head of the Texas Eagle Forum.

She, like others in the Perry fold, believes he's been consistently conservative on issues that matter to social and religious conservatives — most of the time. Like others, she says his support for a mandated vaccine against human papillomavirus was off pitch. HPV, which is sexually transmitted, is the leading cause of cervical cancer; Perry wanted to require the shots for all 12-year-old girls in Texas, unless their parents opted out.

"I worked against HPV," Adams says. "I don't think he was ill-intended on that. He could have listened to more voices."

State Rep. Wayne Christian, R-Center, agrees with that — "where he shot himself in the foot was a couple of sessions ago with that vaccination thing" — but also says Perry's place as the party's standard-bearer is safe.

"I've talked especially with the Tea Party people," he says. "If you want to say on the correct side of them, you need to stick with Perry."……….

80 posted on 07/18/2011 3:41:24 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Invoke the fear of God Almighty in all that hire them. Get a sanctuary bill passed.Make it a felony to produce fake docs like they did in Georgia. Talk about the Rule of Law in front of as many camaras as possible. Let the voters know that he understands the philosophy behind the concept of Rule of Law.
Just like Sara did:

“The DREAM Act, well see, the immigrants of the past, they had to literally and figuratively stand in line to become U.S. citizens,” said Palin. “I’d like to see that continue, and unfortunately the DREAM Act kind of usurps that, the system.”


81 posted on 07/18/2011 3:48:55 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: isthisnickcool

Whoa. That’s a little over the top. A lot of people like Perry who has some negatives but is basically a very good guy.

pimpsfor perry?


82 posted on 07/18/2011 3:56:03 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: magna carta

You need to talk with Pres. B. Obama and NSA Janet N., AG E. Holder about your solutions.

Gov. Rick Perry has but they don’t want to listen.

Perhaps you will have better luck.

Good luck.


83 posted on 07/18/2011 3:58:00 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Diogenesis

I read a medical magazine in my doctor’s office the other day and there was a favorable article about gardisal. It was recommended for boys also.

You can’t go by all those links you posted. It’s controversial but not evil. It was not compulsory. Many vaccinations are.

That gardisal argument won’t fly ... it might make a few lame jumps.


84 posted on 07/18/2011 4:00:25 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: Diogenesis; Cincinatus' Wife

CW made a nice well-reasoned post. And your idea of a good rebuttal is “You little disingenuous PerryBOT.”

Way to go, bro.


85 posted on 07/18/2011 4:03:28 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This did not start with Obama. Bush had lower workplace enforcement than Clinton did. The things I suggested are totally and completely possible under the purview of a willing governor with the cooperation and leadership needed to usher these reforms through the House & Senate at the state level. Those who punt this to the Fed. Level are not being honest. Look at what Sheriff Joe is doing in AZ. He doesn’t wait on the Federal govt. What about the neighboring states like Alabama and Louisiana& Georgia?
no...The legislature & Perry also on immigration enforcement gave “We the People” a Shakespeare play...it was all smoke and mirrors.


86 posted on 07/18/2011 4:10:07 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Gov. Perry and the Texas Dream Act

[snip]


That FR thread you're linking to is based on this Houston Chronicle Article, which in turn quotes from this speech: http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10688/

Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.

As a compassionate state, we know that for our children to succeed, they must not only be healthy, but educated. The future leaders of our two nations are learning their fractions and their ABC’s in classrooms all along this border. Immigrants from around the world are being taught in Texas classrooms, and our history is rich with examples of new citizens who have made great contributions. We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, “we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders, the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.

We also know that poverty is not unique to either side of the border. Some of Texas’ poorest citizens live in colonias all along the border. They often lack basic infrastructure many of us take for granted. Just today, the North American Development Bank announced it will provide $6.3 million in funding to hook up colonia residents in six border cities to water and wastewater lines. More than 18,000 residents will benefit from these water or wastewater hookups. And this November, by approving Proposition 2, Texas voters can ensure that their neighbors in colonias have quality roads so that school buses, emergency vehicles and postal trucks can reach residents, and residents can get to a job or a school reliably.

President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues. At the same time we must continue to deepen our economic ties, expanding opportunities for Mexican and U.S. companies to do business on both sides of the border. The outlook is promising, even if the road to prosperity is a long one. We share a bond as neighbors, and we find our culture north of the Rio Grande to be increasingly defined by the strong traits of people of Hispanic descent. Texas has long enjoyed a unique identity, an identity forged by an independent spirit, and the convergence of many different peoples. We must welcome change in the 21st Century as we have in every century before it.


Open borders, "bi-national health insurance", what a conservative that Perry is :)
87 posted on 07/18/2011 4:25:19 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: magna carta

We disagree on Perry’s attempts (and power) to address it.


88 posted on 07/18/2011 4:32:39 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
2007: [excerpt] "Perry, in Mexico with a Texan trade mission seeking opportunities in areas like renewable energy, said the federal government’s plan to build a wall along much of the border to keep out illegal immigrants was “idiocy.”

“We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy,” Perry told a briefing with reporters.


Thank you for posting this before I did. This Houston Chronicle article from the day after the Reuters article you posted expands on Perry's thoughts:

MEXICO CITY — Leading a large delegation of Texas executives trying to drum up business in Mexico, Gov. Rick Perry on Tuesday criticized the U.S. Congress for failing to pass an immigration bill that would legalize millions of workers.

"I don't think this is that difficult an issue if Congress would have the maturity to sit down and really discuss it and cut out all the mean rhetoric," Perry said during a break in the third day of meetings with Mexican officials and business executives.

"We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy," he said of Texas' undocumented workers, most of whom hail from Mexico. "The vast, vast majority of those individuals want to come and work and take care of their families."


Perry made the remarks in Mexico City, where immigration is nearly as big a hot-button issue as it is in Washington. He spoke at a press conference shortly before meeting with President Felipe Calderon who, like past Mexican presidents, has lobbied for changes in U.S. immigration law that would include a guest-worker program.

Perry's statements seemed to put him at odds with many in the Republican Party's base who regarded the immigration overhaul bill that collapsed in the Senate in June as nothing more than an amnesty for illegal immigrants.


I'd further expand with comments he made the previous year, in 2006, about the need for a guest worker program (http://governor.state.tx.us/news/editorial/10326/):

But to me neither amnesty nor mass deportation is the answer. The first unfairly rewards those who broke our laws, and the latter is not only unrealistic and unenforceable, but it would devastate our economy. That’s why I support a guest worker program that takes undocumented workers off the black market and legitimizes their economic contributions without providing them citizenship status

89 posted on 07/18/2011 4:37:43 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Yes. It was all properly linked.

I posted it.

Your point?

You think Rick Perry is talking about no border control?

You take a speech and use it to address every concern you have about Rick Perry?

Why don’t you write and express your points and concerns to his staff.

http://www.governor.state.tx.us/

He has a very accessible website with a lot of information as well as points of contact and a search engine.


90 posted on 07/18/2011 4:42:31 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CowboyJay
Perry is all hat on border security/illegal immigration just like he is on fiscal issues. RINO Ricky has ties to some certifiable religious wack-jobs in Texas, so he may be doing more than just election-year pandering on abortion. Then again, he endorsed Giuliani last time around so he might be full of it on RTL, too.

I'm still not sure how one can be a true pro-lifer and support a pro-abortion candidate like Giuliani. I've been waiting for an explanation from a few people. My take is that Perry doesn't take abortion seriously or was willing to set aside his pro-life beliefs to campaign for Giuliani for President, because Giuliani's law firm was trying to help the European company get Perry's corridor built. I don't think a corridor is worth setting aside your pro-life beliefs, but I'm not Rick Perry.
91 posted on 07/18/2011 4:44:21 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
Yes! I'm certain the Houston Comicle expanded on his remarks. But you must quote this -- it can not be divorced from his remarks:

2007: [excerpt] "Perry, in Mexico with a Texan trade mission seeking opportunities in areas like renewable energy, said the federal government’s plan to build a wall along much of the border to keep out illegal immigrants was “idiocy.”

“We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy,” Perry told a briefing with reporters.

“If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.” [end excerpt] Source

92 posted on 07/18/2011 4:51:06 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Your point?

I was just surprised that you posted it before somebody else did. Perry getting upset at Congress for not supporting a guest worker program is not something I think you'd be publicly posting, since a lot of people don't care for such a thing.

You think Rick Perry is talking about no border control?

I know exactly what Rick Perry is talking about. He's got 10 years worth of speeches and interviews where he talks about open borders, bi-national health insurance, guest worker programs, praise for LULAC, and a whole host of other things that don't sit right with Texans who have to foot the bills for the things he wants. It's clear the direction he wants to take us.

You take a speech and use it to address every concern you have about Rick Perry?

Says the lady who takes a thread and uses to to address every concern raised about Perry's thoughts on the border ;-) I think it's a very important speech. Some of Perry's biggest projects and beliefs came out of speeches he gave in 2001, from his Mexico-to-Oklahoma corridor to his support of illegal immigrants.

He has a very accessible website with a lot of information as well as points of contact and a search engine.

Yes he does, I've used his website to learn a lot more about his support for illegal immigrants.
93 posted on 07/18/2011 4:56:30 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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I do not profess to know everything Rick Perry knows, or thinks — unlike you.

You haven’t named a candidate you think is a good fit for the top of the GOP ticket.

Would you like to share?


94 posted on 07/18/2011 5:00:39 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Yes! I'm certain the Houston Comicle expanded on his remarks. But you must quote this -- it can not be divorced from his remarks:

2007: [excerpt] "Perry, in Mexico with a Texan trade mission seeking opportunities in areas like renewable energy, said the federal government’s plan to build a wall along much of the border to keep out illegal immigrants was “idiocy.”

“We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy,” Perry told a briefing with reporters.

“If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.” [end excerpt] Source


Sorry I left that out. So Rick Perry says we shouldn't build a border to keep out illegal immigrants because, to quote your article, "We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy", and then he talks about a program that would allow those people to come here and work, that would otherwise be here illegally.....that sounds an awful lot like some kind of open borders.

At first I read it as an amnesty program, another of his "guest worker" things, but now it seems like he wants to come up with an identification card for people to come over and work without becoming American citizens, and that definitely strikes me as open borders.
95 posted on 07/18/2011 5:07:19 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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You know, to you he’s damned if he does and he’s damned if he doesn’t.

So just damn.

Your candidate?


96 posted on 07/18/2011 5:11:19 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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I do not profess to know everything Rick Perry knows, or thinks — unlike you.

I look at his donors and the speeches he's given over the years.

If you do not know how Perry thinks, then how you are able to defend Rick Perry setting aside his pro-life beliefs to campaign for Rudy Giuliani? You went so far as to refer to Giuliani as, and I quote: Rudy Giuliani the conservative national security candidate.

That takes guts to defend Perry campaigning for Giuliani, and I still would like to know what made you do it. Setting aside pro-life beliefs is not something a pro-lifer would do lightly, and so something struck a chord with you, to make you defend Rick Perry's support of Rudy Giuliani.

You haven’t named a candidate you think is a good fit for the top of the GOP ticket.

It's July and we don't know the whole field. I can tell you that it's a candidate who isn't named Rick Perry.
97 posted on 07/18/2011 5:16:32 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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You're kind of wimpy about not telling us who you like for the GOP run. But that's okay. Says a lot about how you blast others w/o saying who you'd support. But that's okay. It's not like you're trying to hide anything.

And Rudy Giuliani IS VERY CONSERVATIVE ON NATIONAL SECURITY!!! And Rudy Giuliani was elected to be mayor of NYC and he cleaned it up. Now it's going to hell again.

Andrea Tantaros & Bob Beckel discuss Rick Perry & Rudy Giuliani Giuliani: Says, the Republican Party will be much more successful if we get the heck out of peoples’ bedrooms – let these things get decided by states and stick to our economic conservative roots.

98 posted on 07/18/2011 5:24:38 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Bob Perry has given millions to Rick Perry. Bob is a good guy. I can hit his house with a rock. Truth is, when Bob says jump Rick jumps. That's why the sanctuary city law never went anywhere. Perry is a commodity.

I know all about PACS and whatnot. Every person in every legislative position in Texas has some thing like "Eagles Forum for Flag Waiving Gimme Some Money & Get Your Law Past". There is a reason some have no other job than being in the legislature which only pays a few grand. Money get funneled to them.

99 posted on 07/18/2011 5:26:30 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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Giuliani: Says, the Republican Party will be much more successful if we get the heck out of peoples’ bedrooms – let these things get decided by states and stick to our economic conservative roots.

Are you giving credence to that absolute nonsense?

100 posted on 07/18/2011 5:30:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (It's not really 'cut, cap and balance,' it's 'tinker, obfuscate, borrow and spend.')
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