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Rejection of common law, history and tradition (Law that redefines fatherhood clears CA state leg)
CalCatholic ^ | July 18, 2011

Posted on 07/18/2011 1:51:18 PM PDT by NYer

Yet another bill opposed by the state’s Catholic bishops is on its way to the governor for his signature – this one co-sponsored by homosexual advocacy groups that seek to redefine fatherhood in a way that favors children with same-sex parents.

The bill, AB 1349, sponsored by Assemblyman Jerry Hill, D-San Mateo, passed the state Senate by a vote of 23-14 on July 14. It cleared the Assembly 52-22 in May. The measure was co-sponsored by Equality California and the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

“AB 1349 is a bill that is intended to redefine fatherhood for children born to unmarried mothers,” wrote Bill May, chairman of Catholics for the Common Good, on the group’s website. “It undermines the entire notion of natural parenthood. It also undermines the rights of fathers and the internationally recognized right of every child to know and, as far as possible, be cared for by his or her biological mother and father.”

In essence, AB 1349 would allow the unmarried mother of a child to reject a biological father’s voluntary acknowledgement of paternity and require a court to decide who gets parental rights.

According to a legislative analyst’s report on the bill, one supporter of the measure put it this way: “The 'Protection of Parent-Child Relationship Act' will allow courts to have discretion in determining parentage disputes between presumed parents and biological fathers who have signed a voluntary declaration of paternity, and it will protect established family relationships among non-traditional families, including those in the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender community."

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KEYWORDS: ca; fatherhood; fathers; fathersrights; lesbian; men; mensrights; parents
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1 posted on 07/18/2011 1:51:24 PM PDT by NYer
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In a letter opposing the bill, the California Catholic Conference, the political action arm of the state’s bishops, wrote: "The very title of the bill, Paternity: conflicting presumptions,’ captures the legal quandary created with today's experimental families and our society's rejection of common law, history and tradition.

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2 posted on 07/18/2011 1:52:34 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
So, just like we're going to pretend a same-sex relationship can be a marriage, we're going to pretend a woman can be a father. Sheesh.
3 posted on 07/18/2011 1:57:41 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: NYer

Here’s the thing, as far as I am concerned.

A man gets parental rights by being married to his children’s mother.

If she is unmarried, and say, wants to give the child up for adoption, the father should have no say.

4 posted on 07/18/2011 1:58:31 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: NYer

“In essence, AB 1349 would allow the unmarried mother of a child to reject a biological father’s voluntary acknowledgement of paternity and require a court to decide who gets parental rights.”

And I am sure if the court deems the mother justified in excluding the father, he will still be required to pay support for this child without the benefits of watching and aiding in the a childs raising.

5 posted on 07/18/2011 2:01:51 PM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... God is Good....Evil is Real.)
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To: NYer
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Goal 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

Goal 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

6 posted on 07/18/2011 2:11:27 PM PDT by yoe
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To: NYer
Perverts and lawyers at work. DNA testing should be the standard for proof of biological parentage. Signing a statement without that laboratory evidence is plain stupid. If you want to adopt a non-biological child (no laboratory proof of parentage via DNA), then follow the correct legal procedures for adoption and accept the legal obligations that come with the voluntarily accepted responsibility.
7 posted on 07/18/2011 2:16:18 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: yoe

Would love a link to that Communist Goals web site. Can you post it? Many thanks!

8 posted on 07/18/2011 2:24:01 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: yoe

And also:

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

9 posted on 07/18/2011 2:25:09 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: NYer

from “The Naked Communist” by W. Cleon Skousen

10 posted on 07/18/2011 2:29:20 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: chesley

So what happens if he wants parental rights but the woman will not marry him?

11 posted on 07/18/2011 2:34:39 PM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: NYer
(Communist Goals (1963))
12 posted on 07/18/2011 2:37:54 PM PDT by yoe
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To: chesley
I'm not quite clear about where you got your theory from. Perhaps you could clarify that.

Nor am I clear about its implications. It seems, in the matter of fatherhood, to reduce the child's natural rights to a theoretical zero.

As I gather from your brief explanation, the child has no "stake" in his matter: has no claim (based on justice or truth) to derive either support or identity from his natural father.

But perhaps I've miunderstood you. Is this correct?

13 posted on 07/18/2011 2:42:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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I can see an opening for those "fathers" who want to avoid child support.

A judge deciding paternity by fiat rather than law.

Demand your 14th Amendment rights to equal protection. Make that a$$hole living with her now pay child support.

14 posted on 07/18/2011 2:51:40 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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I have absolutely no sympathy for the Catholics. Like the Mormons with Harry Reid and Mitt Romney, the Catholic hierarchy does nothing to it’s adherents who pass/sign legislation that goes against their theology. And with Jerry the Fairy Brown, who trained as a Jesuit but never took his vows, it should be a no brainer to excommunicate him.

15 posted on 07/18/2011 3:00:53 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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You apparently support what the Catholic Church actually teaches about fatherhood. If I understand you correctly. So I think you'd more accurate if you said you have "absolutely no sympathy for the do-nothings in the U.S. Catholic hierarchy" but do have sympathy for the Catholics who are actually Catholic.

In which case, I'm with you.

16 posted on 07/18/2011 3:12:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.)
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The message to men is, Don’t have sex with a woman who isn’t your wife, unless you’re willing to have her turn your child over to homosexuals, and you have no legal avenue other than making your case before a homosexual judge. And they’ll probably hit you for support, too.

Don’t you think that, at some point, the cost of easy sex would sufficiently outweight the benefits that some would change their behavior?

17 posted on 07/18/2011 3:32:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When politicians are "civil," the Republic is threatened.)
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To: chesley
If that's how you want to play it, if he has no rights he also has no responsibilities.

She can already murder their baby without his say so. You're just feeding into that sickness.

18 posted on 07/18/2011 3:41:31 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: NYer

28 Communist Goals

The following goals of the Communist Party, USA were entered into the Congressional Record on January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of peaceful co-existence with communism.
(Note - this has been official iforeign policy under both Democrat and Republican administrations for many years with
Soviet Russia. It has been expanded to include Red China and Cuba under Comrade Clinton)

2. U.S. promises to surrender rather than engage in atomic war.
(Note - Bill Clinton issued an executive order on 12-7-1998, which took all of our defensive missles off alert status and
ordered our military not to retaliate if we are attacked. This EO reuires us to absorb a first strike without retlaiation.)

3. U.S. acceptance of the premise that total disarmament would be a sign of moral strength.
(Note - only a fool could believe such propaganda)

4. “Free trade” with communist nations.
(Note - such agreements have the effect of strengthening communist tyranny while undermining US prosperity)

5. Long-term “loans” to Russia and communist satellites.
(Note - Russia has never paid back any loans, which amounts to stealing. They also received millions of the US
taxpayers’ dollars through money-laundering schemes, which funneled the funds through Yugoslavia under Tito.)

6. Foreign aid to communist nations.
(Note - communism would have truly died everywhere if it had not been for capital from the USA to keep it propped up.)

7. United Nations recognition of Red China.
(Note - this was accomplished during a Republican administration [Nixon’s], which proves that both major political
parties are accomplices to this treason.)

8. UN representation for each of the Soviet satellites.
(Note - this was establishd when communism pretended to die and the USSR was split up. When I prayed about this
event, God told me the Soviets were merely playing possum in order to multiply their representation in the UN)

9. Acceptnce of the UN as mankind’s “only hope.”
(Note - the Lucifer Publishing Co. was founded by Alice Bailey at the UN in 1953 and operated there until they changed
their name to Lucis Trust and moved across the street. Bailey admitted in The Externalization of the Hierarchy to
being both a communist and a satanist. Our hope should be in Jesus Christ, not Antichrist.)

10. The use of court decisions to undermine the constitutional rights of Americans.
(Note - I overheard an ACLU lawyer tell a fellow communist in 1962 that Thurgood Marshall was sympathetic to
communism, and that he would use his influence to subvert the Constitution by perverting its intended meaning.)

11. Using the public schools to teach socialist and communist propaganda, and to “dumb down” students.
(Note - when I was in public school [1949-1962], I was told to regard John Dewey as the father of modern education.
When he retired, he moved to Russia to collect his Social Security because he was a communist infiltrator)

12. Communist control of campus newspapers.
(Note - when Mark Hardie became the editor of his college paper, he received many death threats due to his
conservative and patriotic views. Free speech in college is only for communist traitors.)

13. Use of student riots to trigger public protests against U.S. policies.
(Note - this was very effective during the Vietnam war. Bill Clinton’s anti-war activities proved that he wanted the
communists to win. I respected the protestors, who didn’t like US involvement in Vietnam, but they were not
pro-communists like Clinton, who was wined and dined by the KGB on his visits to Moscow.)

14. Infiltration of the press.
(Note - the Stock Market was deliberately crashed in 1929 when some of the richest men in America all pulled their
money out at the same time of the same day. They did not lose a penny from the crash. They used their fortunes to
buy control of the nation’s 50 most influential newspapers during the 1930’s. They bought out the next 50 during the
1940’s, including the news services, UPI and AP.)

15. Control of mass media.
(Note - members of the Council onForeign Relations and rilateral Commission, mostly pro-Marxists, have control)

16. The degradation of American culture and art.
(Note - this is being accomplished primarily by the ACLU and the NEA)

17. Controlling art critics and museum directors to promote ugly, repulsive, and meaningless art forms.
(Note - a recent example of this is the so-called art exhibit at a museum in New York City degrading the virgin Mary)

18. Repeal of all laws banning obsenity.
(Note - the lst Amendment freedom of speech was intended to protect those who criticize government corruption)

19. Promotion of pornography and obsenity in the mass media.
(Note - in 1923, Lenin instructed the CPUSA to do everything possible to corrupt the morals of Americans because
their psychologists learned that people, who are morally degenerate, lose their will to resist tyranny. At the highest
levels there is a link between communism and the Mafia, which controls most pornography)

20 Establishing homosexuality as normal and natural.
(Note - the communists began recruiting gays in the mid-1920’s. See the book, Whatever Happened to Harry Hay?)

21. Infiltrate churches to replace revealed religion with the “social Gospel” and deny the truths of scripture.
(Note - Rev. Carl McIntyre is one of the best informed patriots on this issue)

22. Banish all prayer from public schools.
(Note - do you really think Madeline Murray O’Hare’s case in 1962 was an accident?)

23. Discredit the Constitution as old fashioned and a hindrance to international cooperation.
(Note - Bill Clinton has had people arrested as terrorists for their support of the Constitution. He also had material
printed in FBI manuals, which treats people, who display Christian bumper stickers on their cas, as terrorists)

24. Discredit the founding fathers as slave-owning aristocrats who despised the common man.
(Note - Bill Clinton arranged for the recent attack on Thomas Jefferson to not only discredit the Constitution, but also to
make his adultery with Monica acceptable)

25. Promote all movements aiming to centralize government control over cultural and social agencies.
(Note - a recent example is the way the INS disobeyed the 11th Circuit Appeals Court regarding Elian Gonzales)

26. Transfer arrest powers from the police to social agencies and reduce all behavioral problems to matters only a
psychiatrist can handle; for example, arresting and imprisoning parents who use corporal punishment or home-school
their children.
(Note - Sigmund Freud hated God so much that he vowed to invent a religion, which could be used to destroy
Christianity. He teamed up with Carl Joung, who was so heavily into the occult that Freud fainted from fear)

27. Infiltrate the psychiatric profession and use it to promote “mental health” laws to oppress those who oppose social
disintegration caused by the Communist program.
(Note - I personally know someone, who was put in a mental hospital in 1972 for a nervous breakdown. After he
recovered, the doctors refused to release him on the grounds that he was crazy because “he believed in God and did
not believe in adultery.”)

28. Undermine the institution of the family, encourage promiscuity, and easy divorce.

(Note - when Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, he spent some time in Italy studying the communist philosophy of
Antono Gramshe. Gramshe advocated the subversion of society by redefining certain things like the family, etc.
Comrade Clinton has used his influence in the White House to include sodomites in families, as well as change the
meaing of such words as “alone,” “sex,” etc.)

A radio talk-show host named Rollye James did a program several months ago on WWDB in which she compared the Communist Party platform of 1962 to the Democratic Party platform of today. They were identical, which proves that the Democrat elite are really communists in disguise.

19 posted on 07/18/2011 4:43:25 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: NYer
Marriage = One Man and One Woman

20 posted on 07/18/2011 6:01:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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