Skip to comments.Man Shot by Cops in SF, Murder Suspect in Seattle
Posted on 07/19/2011 3:07:47 AM PDT by nickcarraway
A routine Muni fare inspection turned deadly in San Francisco Saturday.
The man San Francisco police shot and killed during a shoot out in the City's Mission District Saturday has been identified as 19-year-old Kenneth Harding of Seattle, according to the San Francisco Medical Examiner.
Harding was a suspect in a shooting in Seattle last week that left a young woman dead and three others wounded, according to reports.
On Saturday, a police officer shot and killed Harding at Oakdale and Third streets after police said they ran from a routine Muni fare inspection stop. Police said Harding fired shots at officers as he was running so they returned fire - killing him.
Initially, San Francisco investigators could not find the gun they say Harding used, but Police Chief Greg Suhr said Sunday that thanks to cell phone video from the scene, they were able to track down a person who picked up the gun in the moments following the shooting. Police said they have retrieved the gun and are confident it is the one used to fire at police.
The shooting sparked a middle-of-the-night protest in the Mission and Bayview districts overnight Saturday.
The angry, but mostly controlled crowd gathered near 16th and Valencia streets for an impromptu demonstration around 1 a.m. Sunday morning. Police said there were reports of garbage being thrown into the street and several newspaper racks being overturned, but they made no arrests.
On Monday, a community group angered by the shooting is holding a press conference at the scene. The activists called for the formation of a civilian review board and an FBI investigation.
Chief Suhr scheduled a news conference as well for the afternoon to speak to the critics and to thank the public for helping out in the case. Suhr also announced a community meeting with people who live in the neighborhood where the shooting happened on Saturday.
Don’t quote me, but I think they were checking for free riders on the public transit.
Wow, I thought San Fran was “progressive”, not money grubbing to the extent that jumping the turnstile is a capital offense...
I especially like the “we lost the gun and someone picked it up, but it showed up later after we watched a cellphone video” explanation.
How stupid do these cops think the public is?
If the guy was a murderer I’m glad they got him yet....the time
it took the cops to “find” his gun is just silly. Someone stole our ham sandwich ...duh !
I'm guessing that the "victim" is one of Holder's people...
I’m guessing the riders are supposed to pay the tiny percentage that isn’t paid by us taxpayers but I can’t imagine they would have fare inspections if they didn’t have a problem with leeches not wanting to pay even that little bit.
If it were up to me I would cut off the tax dollars and let them all walk.
You are probably right. I’m guessing that the middle of the night protesters don’t have to go to work in the morning.
The police in New York found that you often get wanted criminals by just watching for turnstile jumpers. Most criminals think nothing of petty crimes. It was part of Rudy Giulianis broken windows program, IE a house with a broken window if not fixed right away will attract vandalism.
I am surprised so many people are skeptical of the gun being located later. In an urban neighborhood that happens all the time. After a shoot out the locals sweep in to clean up. The injured party no longer has a need for his gun, wallet or watch and the locals just help themselves. Later those same show up at protests against the shooting of an unarmed perp.
Checking to see if someone is holding a valid ticket as opposed to stealing a free ride.
That was a deeply clueless post.
If the perp’s prints or DNA are on the gun, it will tie him to it quite nicely.
Do you seriously think bystanders wouldn’t pick up a nice gun if it was just lying around?
Do they automatically check ID or just whether they have a ticket? If the second, it would be fascinating to know if the perp had a ticket.
It’s amazing how often crooks get caught for a major crime based on the equivalent of driving without a license plate.
Riders of the people mover in Detroit only pay something like 7% of total operating costs and the taxpayers pick up the rest.
Unfortunately taxpayer funded services not only attract leeches, they attract particularly greedy leeches who won’t even pay the tiny percentage expected.
I can’t imagine the police would waste the money and resources of checking fares if fare jumpers weren’t a particular problem.
Hunter's Point is not for the squeamish. I drove through there once and saw an overturned, bullet-ridden car that had burned to completion, in the middle of a street.
One day, the mob in the video will be on the streets in every major and minor city in the US.
And the police will not be stopping them.
The armed citizen will have to.
Tell me that isn't a gun!
But who are you going to believe the cop-haters or your lying eyes?
Nobody in that crowd would pick up a gun someone dropped.
Well if someone does pick it up, then police have done a piss poor job of securing the crime scene. Also why does no police officer check on the perp, no seach for additional weapons and no first aid. The actions of police may be standard procedure but it never looks good to just let someone lie there and die.
Cell phone did in the BART cops who murdered a man for the heck of it on a train platform.
I think its time for the USA to pull out of the urban hellholes and withdraw our tax dollars.
Those people would obviously be much better off if it weren’t for the rich man keeping them down.
You’re entitled to your own stupid opinion, no matter how wrong you are. So am I.
After all the bad shoots of innocent citizens and their dogs lately, I’ve grown a bit less than enamoured with the thugs with badges. I choose to use a bit of hyperbole, and the boot-lickers show up instantly, calling me clueless and cop-hater. “Rubber/glue”, etc. back atcha.
That the deceased was a bad man is not the issue. So I didn’t go watch the video, big whoop. As if you’ve never done that.
The deceased was still chased down for not paying his fare on transit, right? That was the whole reason for the attempted stop, right? He chose to run and shoot, and got shot, right? The cops at the time had NO idea who he was, right?
The dudes with badges still were “just doing their job”, right?
Oh, but that was an “accident”, don’t you know. The cop thought he was just going to torture the guy with his Taser (TM), not shoot him in the back and kill him.
When you stop crying for the dead murderous thug, think back to the Bernie Getz, Charles Bronson Movie days of the NYC subway system! Back to when guys called Bratton & Giuliani took on the thugs ruling the streets by challenging the liberal assumption of urban law enforcement - that you should ignore the small crimes and concentrate on only the big ones.
They went after the subway fare beaters (and other petty offenders) and proved that a large number were wanted for the big crimes. Since those leading a life of crime ignore both big & small laws, who couldn't see that the pool of petty offenders would be a rich fishing grounds for ALL criminals? And that you can't take back the street if you ignore "small" crimes?
You'd have to be an ideologically blinded liberal/leftist or a "clueless" cop-hating non-liberal.
In his mind, the police approaching knew he had committed a major crime and his guilt caused him to react the way he did. At the time, the police did not realize he was a suspect in a murder and would have just cited him for not having a "Muni" ticket.
As the scripture says in Proverbs 28:1, "The wicked flee when no one is pursuing, but the righteous are bold as a lion." Also, a few passages later in Proverbs 28:5 it says, "Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the Lord understand all things."
Both passages are clearly illustrated through this story.
Pull out!!! It is the goal of our government to get all of us to live in those urban hellholes. Why do you think so much is being spent on Mass Transit and Agenda 21. They want you in the city, without a car, walking to work (ha, the welfare office), and the store (food bank).
Good thing the perp is dead, or some lawyer would get him off based on a broken chain of evidence.
If you shoot and kill the the guy shooting at you, he’s no longer an “alleged shooter”.
“On Saturday, a police officer shot and killed Harding at Oakdale and Third streets after police said they ran from a routine Muni fare inspection stop.”
killed Harding...they ran?
1) Harding split like an ameba into two or more people?
2) The cops run from a routine...fare inspection stop?
3) Harding find his doppleganger twin and the cops ran?
Every day my theory is enforced that these 60 IQ mutts in the propaganda press are hired for their hard-core ideological beliefs rather than understanding writing.
The animal who recently killed the 83 year old father of a FReeper had 18 past felony convictions and multiple misdemeanors and was released from prison after serving a minimal sentence.
“Judge, He needed killin’.”
re: your animal reference.
I don’t understand —the story here states the shootout was in the Mission District, but after the video link jump, it alleges the shootout was in the Bayview District.
I don’t know about Bayview cops —I’m sure they work A LOT there— but based on what I know about the cops in the Mission District, I’m happy both that the apparent perp is dead, and also that the crowd is making the cops job very, very difficult.
To me? Here what I saw was that short-haired criminals shot a long-haired criminal, who then died.
If it’s the Mish, then I’m GLAD they hate the cops, and I hope the cops have a REALLY hard time there.
They have dealt with scum-bags there so much that they have responded by becoming total scum-bags themselves.
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